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Old 07-30-2012, 14:28   #1
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I've seen each of these arguments here, top 10!

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Old 07-30-2012, 15:40   #2
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#5 will be a big hit here.
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Old 07-30-2012, 15:52   #3
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#5 will be a big hit here.
For one person at least.
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Old 07-30-2012, 16:05   #4
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Once again the atheists totally miss the point.
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Old 07-30-2012, 16:06   #5
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Once again the atheists totally miss the point.
And what's the point JB that atheist missed?
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Old 07-30-2012, 16:14   #6
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And what's the point JB that atheist missed?
Don't bother, JB posts like he's committing a drive by, all you hear is gunfire and the roar of an engine as he speeds off.
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Old 07-30-2012, 16:25   #7
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And what's the point JB that atheist missed?

All of that in the video is taken out of context and presents a half truth that only intends to make fun of religion.

I know the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, but (modern) man has only been around for about 10-15 thousand years.

I believe in evolution, for animals, not humans.

All the rest can be characterized as a lie by omission.
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All of that in the video is taken out of context and presents a half truth that only intends to make fun of religion.

I know the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, but (modern) man has only been around for about 10-15 thousand years.
You're off by a factor of around 20.
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I believe in evolution, for animals, not humans.
What biological difference exists between humans and what you classify animals that would allow for evolution in one case and not in the other?
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All the rest can be characterized as a lie by omission.
Could you perhaps expand on this a bit?
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Old 07-30-2012, 17:30   #9
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There it is. Plain and simple. This should be a great thread.
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Old 07-30-2012, 18:25   #10
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There it is. Plain and simple. This should be a great thread.
Yeah, it is simple. Although I believe in many of the statements (dates, etc.) given (although I also believe that the progressions are far too astronomically improbable if not impossible to happen without intelligent guidance), I was kind of embarassed for athiests by that video.
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Old 07-30-2012, 18:39   #11
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Yeah, it is simple. Although I believe in many of the statements (dates, etc.) given (although I also believe that the progressions are far too astronomically improbable if not impossible to happen without intelligent guidance), I was kind of embarassed for athiests by that video.
In what way?
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Old 07-30-2012, 18:57   #12
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Don't bother, JB posts like he's committing a drive by, all you hear is gunfire and the roar of an engine as he speeds off.
Only took him 20 minutes to respond, looks like you owe him an apology for the BS charge at least.
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Old 07-30-2012, 19:00   #13
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#5 will be a big hit here.


Yep, those superficial arguments have been debunked.
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I was kind of embarassed for athiests by that video.
What was embarrassing about it?
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Only took him 20 minutes to respond, looks like you owe him an apology for the BS charge at least.
Hmm, seems in this case, you are correct.

My apologies to JB.
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In what way?
The arguments were facile and non-sensical, arguing against caricatures, and in many cases wrong.

Take the first claim, which pitted Carbon-dating against radiometric dating. Carbon-dating IS a form of radiometric dating.

Many of their quotes were mere appeals to authority, and the comebacks were pure assertion (claim 2, for instance).

I could go on, but I don't need to waste my time.

In poking fun at the anti-evolutionists, they did no better. There are far better arguments for evolutionary theories (although nothing I would term a proof) that I've seen. This was simplistic populist nonsense.
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Atheists constantly critique creationinsts blind faith on God. Yet they equally blindly believe in Carbon dating as the ultimate truth!
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Atheists constantly critique creationinsts blind faith on God. Yet they equally blindly believe in Carbon dating as the ultimate truth!

Try radiometric dating. Rib woman and talking snakes makes more sense to you, I take it?
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Try radiometric dating. Rib woman and talking snakes makes more sense to you, I take it?
Try researching first before posting. Carbon dating IS a type of radiometric dating.
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Try researching first before posting. Carbon dating IS a type of radiometric dating.
I know that, your initial assumption was that simple carbon dating was inaccurate. Are you still sticking to the magic rib woman and talking snake as the basis of life?
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All the rest can be characterized as a lie by omission.
There is no arguing with someone who believes this.
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Atheists constantly critique creationinsts blind faith on God. Yet they equally blindly believe in Carbon dating as the ultimate truth!
There is a difference in having faith in something and actually knowing how something works. We know how radiometric dating works, no faith is required. The science behind it is mature. The same equations and theories that enabled us to build bombs and reactors enabled us to know what the measure of radioactive decay in an element means in regards to the age of the sample from which it came.
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There is a difference in having faith in something and actually knowing how something works. We know how radiometric dating works, no faith is required. The science behind it is mature. The same equations and theories that enabled us to build bombs and reactors enabled us to know what the measure of radioactive decay in an element means in regards to the age of the sample from which it came.
Well, since you seem to be an emeritus in the subject, why don't you explain to us, why is it that coal has still traces of C-14 when according to your infallible radiometric theory, it shouldn't?
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Well, since you seem to be an emeritus in the subject, why don't you explain to us, why is it that coal has still traces of C-14 when according to your infallible radiometric theory, it shouldn't?
1. Emeritus is a title denoting someone who has retired, so it really doesn't make sense in this context.

2. You're pulling out a tired creationist tactic of trying to require infallibility or absolute certainty when science has never promised either.

3. The existence of C14 in coal is explained by the radioactive decay of surrounding mineral deposits, which also accounts for the wide variation of radiation levels found in coal from different areas. Other possible factors are also being considered, but the important point here is that the mechanism is understood and recognized not through divine revelation but through ongoing observation and research.
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