Active Shooter: Run, Hide, Fight

jph02 · 08-13-2012, 17:32

This video was prepared by Ready Houston to tell folks how to react to an active shooter situation. Their advice: run, hide, fight.

RUN. HIDE. FIGHT. Surviving an Active Shooter Event - English - YouTube

Does anyone else find it just a little interesting the building where this takes place is posted "no guns" (0:59)?

frizz · 08-14-2012, 02:45

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Originally Posted by jph02

This video was prepared by Ready Houston to tell folks how to react to an active shooter situation. Their advice: run, hide, fight.

Does anyone else find it just a little interesting the building where this takes place is posted "no guns" (0:59)?

I'm just glad the building managers had the foresight to prohibit guns in the building. Without it, anyone bent on a massacre could just walk in and start shooting.

RetailNinjitsu · 08-14-2012, 12:43

I think that the video gives good advice to most people. Remember, a very small percentage of us are "Sheep Dogs". Most people do not see these situations through the same lens.

youngdocglock · 08-14-2012, 12:54

Good advice. However sometimes you need to skip 1 and 2 and go straight to numero three

JW1178 · 08-14-2012, 13:45

Well, even if you have a gun, the advise is good. The best way to survive a shootout is not to get into one. So your best bet is the GTFO of there, (run) and if you can't stay out of the shooter's line of fire. (Hide) By all means though, don't just let him/her execute you if you can't run/hide. You have to weigh out the situation and think it out. The absolute WORSE thing you can do is panic/freak out or shut down.

I always seem to have a "need" to know where exits are. Such as I don't go to the mall often, but the one I have been going to since I was a teenager, I knew where every store in the mall was, but didn't know where any of the fire exits were. Now, I hardly have a clue where half the stores are but I know where the exits are. When I go into retruants or anywhere, I just notice exits more. It's not something I decided to do, just something I started picking up on. Nothing worse than being trapped.

mixflip · 08-23-2012, 09:39

I recently went through an LEO active shooter class. The info in this video was good. It actually follows the DHS guidelines that pretty much everybody is adopting. There are extra tips from region to region though.

Some bldgs post location info on the inside of each door in case you find yourself in a strange room and you are on the phone with 911. I guess you could give 911 some intel on where the shooter is or was, how many shooters there are, and what kind of weapon is being used? rifle, shotgun, handgun, knife etc etc.

2011 was a the worst year for blue on blue shootings so there is a big emphasis on plain clothed LEO response now. How do you keep from getting mistaken for the shooter by the uniformed officers responding.

simotek · 08-23-2012, 09:43

Good advice for a lot of people.

But for most of us we probably won't need to improvise a weapon!

I agree that my first priority will be to GTFO!

**larry_minn** · 08-23-2012, 10:33

Was just talking to a College student that graduated 2 yrs ago from HS. Asked about active shooter drills. He said most teachers followed (the instructions) Be quiet, get away from door,..... Shop teacher said "You know you are supposed to get away from door/teacher locks it...." what I am tell you is LOOK AROUND. The tool cabinets if not open/I will open them/break them open. Use whatever means to protect yourself type talk. So class talked about fire extinguishers to distract, pipes, screwdrivers, if a circular saw would be useable weapon (basically they said too many negatives).
This thinking carried on to industrial arts shop....

simotek · 08-23-2012, 10:36

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Originally Posted by larry_minn

Was just talking to a College student that graduated 2 yrs ago from HS. Asked about active shooter drills. He said most teachers followed (the instructions) Be quiet, get away from door,..... Shop teacher said "You know you are supposed to get away from door/teacher locks it...." what I am tell you is LOOK AROUND. The tool cabinets if not open/I will open them/break them open. Use whatever means to protect yourself type talk. So class talked about fire extinguishers to distract, pipes, screwdrivers, if a circular saw would be useable weapon (basically they said too many negatives).
This thinking carried on to industrial arts shop....

One of my old accounting professors basically said, "if a shooter comes through the front door we all get up and charge. Some of us will go down, but we'll get him."

TSiWRX · 08-24-2012, 08:34

^ I agree. Do something to increase the chances of your survival.

Last Resort Active Shooter Survival Measures by Alon Stivi - YouTube

^ As Mr. Stivi demonstrates, you don't need to be a Force-5 Ninja to increase your chances of survival.

Glenn E. Meyer · 08-25-2012, 18:16

The fight options usually describe being able to tackle the guy at close quarters. Large lectures or theatres will space between you and the shooter will be hard to cover. At Virginia Tech a tackler was killed.There have been successful tackles in tight circumstances. If a shooter picks a large room venue - unless you are willing to have a large group of people charge into fire and take serious causalities, you are not fighting. Been in a simulation like this - I'll skip giving hints to BGs.

Unfortunately, some shooters have thought this out.

My problem with the fight sections is that, yes it is good to fight, but the thrust of these is to avoid the obvious solution of an armed populace. It gives a false impression that we don't need guns as you can charge forward with furniture and staplers.

steveksux · 08-25-2012, 18:31

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Originally Posted by simotek

One of my old accounting professors basically said, "if a shooter comes through the front door we all get up and charge. Some of us will go down, but we'll get him."

Just like an accountant to look at it by the numbers...

Randy

TSiWRX · 08-25-2012, 21:03

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Originally Posted by Glenn E. Meyer

The fight options usually describe being able to tackle the guy at close quarters. Large lectures or theatres will space between you and the shooter will be hard to cover.

Agreed.

"Distance is your friend" is something that many defensive-firearms instructors tell us - logic would suggest that it would work against my favor, as an unarmed fighter going against an armed active shooter/killer.

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My problem with the fight sections is that, yes it is good to fight, but the thrust of these is to avoid the obvious solution of an armed populace. It gives a false impression that we don't need guns as you can charge forward with furniture and staplers.

Again, agreed.

BTW, I really enjoyed reading your blog entries.

RyanNREMTP · 08-26-2012, 05:20

Something I got into a habit of doing is taking a picture of those fire escape routes or building layouts with my cell phone. That way I can use it in a pinch to escape to tell 911 where the bad guy is.