Christian woman suing Burger King for not letting her wear a skirt.

Altaris · 08-25-2012, 08:13

Can I make up a religion too....claim it says I have to wear shorts and a tshirt at all times and then claim religious discrimination when people don't let me?

http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/ch...175600700.html

steveksux · 08-25-2012, 08:30

Not a lawyer, but I see no reason allowing her to wear a skirt would not be considered a reasonable accommodation for her religious beliefs.

She should win the suit.

Randy

Altaris · 08-25-2012, 08:46

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Originally Posted by steveksux

Not a lawyer, but I see no reason allowing her to wear a skirt would not be considered a reasonable accommodation for her religious beliefs.

She should win the suit.

Randy

So every random employee should be able to dictate to the employer what their dress code should be?

NMG26 · 08-25-2012, 08:59

Deuteronomy 22:5 specifically states: "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God."

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AlexHassin · 08-25-2012, 09:02

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Originally Posted by NMG26

Deuteronomy 22:5 specifically states: "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God."

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considering that male and female cloths very across culture and time this one must get confuseing. it is your cultures male and female dress or is it western, or is it biblical israli or roman dress?

steveksux · 08-25-2012, 09:25

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Originally Posted by Altaris

So every random employee should be able to dictate to the employer what their dress code should be?

What's unreasonable about women wearing a skirt?

Assless chaps would be a different issue.

You think employers should be able to ban yarmulkes too?

Randy

High-Gear · 08-25-2012, 09:27

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Originally Posted by NMG26

Deuteronomy 22:5 specifically states: "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God."

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It also says eating shellfish, and bacon, and wearing clothes of mixed fibers are an abomination. The bible also says she should kill her children for being disobediant. Does she take those verses literally? Or is she an a'la carte christian?

Syclone538 · 08-25-2012, 09:31

The gov shouldn't force anyone to employ anyone that they don't want to.

Altaris · 08-25-2012, 09:46

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Originally Posted by steveksux

What's unreasonable about women wearing a skirt?

Assless chaps would be a different issue.

You think employers should be able to ban yarmulkes too?

Randy

If it is not part of their dress code. The employers dress code is up the employer. They shouldn't be forced to change the rules they make up for their business, because some fiction book from a few thousand years ago says something different.

427 · 08-25-2012, 10:02

Employer dress codes are there for a reason. To have employees look uniform or safety. Would it be wise to have someone working in a machine shop wear a burka?

As someone who worked in fast food in high school, I'd rather wear the employer supplied uniform rather than ruin my own clothes.

G26S239 · 08-25-2012, 10:04

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Originally Posted by NMG26

Deuteronomy 22:5 specifically states: "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God."

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In case it has escaped your notice women commonly wear pants in this century in the USA. http://www.oldnavy.com/products/womens-pants.jsp

This kind of crap is wrong when a ditzy muzzie wants to wear a hijab while working at Disneyland too.

brokenprism · 08-25-2012, 10:32

Paul scolds believers for taking each other to suit and asks them "Why not rather take wrong? Why not rather be defrauded?" Granted this is an 'in-house' matter, but he also commands followers of Jesus to be content in whatever state they find themselves in, to 'obey those in authority' and to be good 'slaves' of and for Christ [this extends to the employer/employee relationship] as an example of obedience and as a statement against acts of rebellion, which is the knot we're supposed to be untying in our characters. She doesn't really have a doctrinal leg to stand on. On the other hand, she's also a citizen of this of this country and has the same right to be annoying as anyone else.

High-Gear · 08-25-2012, 11:05

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Originally Posted by brokenprism

Paul scolds believers for taking each other to suit and asks them "Why not rather take wrong? Why not rather be defrauded?" Granted this is an 'in-house' matter, but he also commands followers of Jesus to be content in whatever state they find themselves in, to 'obey those in authority' and to be good 'slaves' of and for Christ [this extends to the employer/employee relationship] as an example of obedience and as a statement against acts of rebellion, which is the knot we're supposed to be untying in our characters. She doesn't really have a doctrinal leg to stand on. On the other hand, she's also a citizen of this of this country and has the same right to be annoying as anyone else.

This slave morality is what Neitzche and Ayn Rand were against. Can't say I completely disagree with them on this point.

***Woofie*** · 08-25-2012, 13:08

Hope she wins. I also hope BK gives that store manager some training before he costs them more money.

Kingarthurhk · 08-25-2012, 13:26

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Originally Posted by High-Gear

It also says eating shellfish, and bacon, and wearing clothes of mixed fibers are an abomination. The bible also says she should kill her children for being disobediant. Does she take those verses literally? Or is she an a'la carte christian?

And employers shouldn't force their employees to eat bacon or shellfish either.

A skirt is a reasonable acomodation. It is modest, and she is attempting to be modest. A simple thing really.

Kingarthurhk · 08-25-2012, 13:28

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Originally Posted by 427

Employer dress codes are there for a reason. To have employees look uniform or safety. Would it be wise to have someone working in a machine shop wear a burka?

As someone who worked in fast food in high school, I'd rather wear the employer supplied uniform rather than ruin my own clothes.

This is slinging burgers, a skirt used to be the uniform of the day for ladies.

steveksux · 08-25-2012, 14:14

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Originally Posted by Altaris

If it is not part of their dress code. The employers dress code is up the employer. They shouldn't be forced to change the rules they make up for their business, because some fiction book from a few thousand years ago says something different.

Luckily you don't make the rules.

We have something called religious freedom here in the US. People have the right to believe in fiction books from thousands of years ago, and are not to be discriminated against for housing and employment when only reasonable accommodations are required to satisfy the tenets of their religious faith.

Randy

steveksux · 08-25-2012, 14:15

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Originally Posted by 427

Employer dress codes are there for a reason. To have employees look uniform or safety. Would it be wise to have someone working in a machine shop wear a burka?

As someone who worked in fast food in high school, I'd rather wear the employer supplied uniform rather than ruin my own clothes.

Burka in machine shop is dangerous, as is any loose fitting clothing that can get hung up in machines.

Nice try, but try to make sense next time. Is the word "reasonable", or "accommodation" tripping you up?

Randy

G26S239 · 08-25-2012, 15:30

This http://www.facebook.com/ashanti.mcshan does not appear to mind wearing pants. I wonder just how many Ashant Mcshan's there are within 17 miles of Grand Prairie Texas?

cs133atom · 08-25-2012, 15:48

The problem with discussing Bible verses with idiots is that it is a waste of time. Actually take the time to learn before spouting ridiculous conjecture then debate may be worthwhile.

G26S239 · 08-25-2012, 15:59

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The problem with discussing Bible verses with idiots is that it is a waste of time. Actually take the time to learn before spouting ridiculous conjecture and debate may be worthwhile.

Do you mean the idiots that agree with your interpretation of the bible? Or the idiots that agree with the young lady suing Burger King? Or someone else?

cs133atom · 08-25-2012, 16:12

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Do you mean the idiots that agree with your interpretation of the bible? Or the idiots that agree with the young lady suing Burger King? Or someone else?

Interpretation? There is ONE Bible.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" —2nd Timothy 3:16

Wherein We Find That Our Sovereign God Has Kept
His Holy Word Pure And Free From The Vicious
Attempts Of Apostate "Scholars" To Defile
And Destroy It.

NMG26 · 08-25-2012, 16:15

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Originally Posted by G26S239

In case it has escaped your notice women commonly wear pants in this century in the USA. http://www.oldnavy.com/products/womens-pants.jsp

This kind of crap is wrong when a ditzy muzzie wants to wear a hijab while working at Disneyland too.

Don't tell me. Tell her. I quoted the article. That is what she believes.

She should not have to choose between God hating her and a job. The job she was hired for, and they told her that the skirt would be alright. Then someone in a higher positions said no way.

The way the verse reads God hates woman who wear pants and men that wear dresses.

She believes that. It is part of her religion. She has been discriminated against.

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G26S239 · 08-25-2012, 16:28

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Originally Posted by cs133atom

Interpretation? There is ONE Bible.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" —2nd Timothy 3:16

Wherein We Find That Our Sovereign God Has Kept
His Holy Word Pure And Free From The Vicious
Attempts Of Apostate "Scholars" To Defile
And Destroy It.

One Bible? Vulgate, King James, Ferrar Fenton, New Living Translation, Holman Christian Standard and how many others? That passage in Deuteronomy does not dictate that females Shall Not wear pants. Furthermore Pentacostals sometimes like to prove their faith by handling pit vipers. Do you agree with that practice? Or do you agree with Jesus saying "Thou shall not tempt thy lord" to old scratch and apply that lesson to suicidally stupid snake handlers?

G26S239 · 08-25-2012, 16:36

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Originally Posted by NMG26

Don't tell me. Tell her. I quoted the article. That is what she believes.

She should not have to choose between God hating her and a job. The job she was hired for, and they told her that the skirt would be alright. Then someone in a higher positions said no way.

The way the verse reads God hates woman who wear pants and men that wear dresses.

She believes that. It is part of her religion. She has been discriminated against.

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Snake handling, as in playing with pit vipers, is part of her religion as well. In spite of what Jesus told Satan in Matthew 4:7.