[427]

American Taliban seeks group prayer in Ind. prison
http://news.yahoo.com/american-talib...171224890.html

[Blast]

No. Regardless of religious affiliation.

[High-Gear]

First when I read "American Taliban" I thought you were referring to Snowbird.



I'll be interested to see people's responses.

Will the religious on this forum who would usually follow the saying "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security, deserve neither." bend when it pertains to muslims being the ones losing their liberty? Do they only care when it is their rights being taken away?

Or

Will they stand up for fellow followers of faith? Does the 1A apply to everyone?

[NMG26]

Originally Posted by 427

American Taliban seeks group prayer in Ind. prison
http://news.yahoo.com/american-talib...171224890.html

They were free at one time. Now they are not.

The prison system is in charge of how much of anything they get. That includes religion.

Jail has got to suck or we would all go.


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[Bren]

The prison has to show a legitimate reason for not allowing it, if it's part of his religion. Security is a legitimate reason. The weakness is that they have to get a judge to agree with them and the judge may turn out to be anything from a soldier who has served in combat to the typical limpwristed, suburban, minivan-driving POS who goes from high school to college to law school with no life experience (a liberal/Democrat, I believe they are called).

[snowbird]

Originally Posted by High-Gear

First when I read "American Taliban" I thought you were referring to Snowbird.

What you're hinting at obliquely is, you support John Walker Lindh, an American traitor who was caught red-handed fighting with an enemy unit AGAINST American soldiers.

He was fighting to take away our rights. He was trying to kill US troops. That's called treason.

If an American traitor had been caught fighting on the side of the Nazis, there wouldn't have been any debate about giving him all kinds of 'rights' in prison, as if it's like a burger joint where you 'can have it your way'. He would have been tried and executed. That's what should have happened to this traitor, but today our society has rotted from within by leftists and too many people's lack of will to do what's right.

God save America.

[Bren]

Originally Posted by snowbird

What you're hinting at obliquely is, you support John Walker Lindh, an American traitor who was caught red-handed fighting with an enemy unit AGAINST American soldiers.

He was fighting to take away our rights. He was trying to kill US troops. That's called treason.

If an American traitor had been caught fighting on the side of the Nazis, there wouldn't have been any debate about giving him all kinds of 'rights' in prison, as if it's like a burger joint where you 'can have it your way'. He would have been tried and executed. That's what should have happened to this traitor, but today our society has rotted from within by leftists and too many people's lack of will to do what's right.

God save America.

Actually, let's say the person is a military officer, who defected to the Nazis and joined the SS, by flying to Italy in a stolen U.S. aircraft, and after the war surrended to the U.S. still in his SS uniform.

He'd get 25 years and get parolled in half of that. He'd be named Martin James Monti.

[snowbird]

Originally Posted by Bren

Actually, let's say the person is a military officer, who defected to the Nazis and joined the SS, by flying to Italy in a stolen U.S. aircraft, and after the war surrended to the U.S. still in his SS uniform.

He'd get 25 years and get parolled in half of that. He'd be named Martin James Monti.

I never heard of the guy, thanks for bringing him to my attention. Our security was pretty lax to let him get away with all of that (but we still have lousy security. Nobody in authority, except one brave Arizona sheriff, has checked out our commander-in-chief's shady past. He found Hussein's birth certificate, as posted online, to be phony. Our borders seem pretty much open too).

It's said Monti's IQ was over 130. But defecting to the Nazis in late 1944 doesn't seem very brilliant, never mind the immorality of it. Smart people don't have to be decent, and they don't have to have common sense either, it seems.

Again, God save America.

[Animal Mother]

Originally Posted by snowbird

I never heard of the guy, thanks for bringing him to my attention. Our security was pretty lax to let him get away with all of that (but we still have lousy security. Nobody in authority, except one brave Arizona sheriff, has checked out our commander-in-chief's shady past. He found Hussein's birth certificate, as posted online, to be phony. Our borders seem pretty much open too).

The fact that you revere a man who can't be bothered to do the job he was elected to instead of grasping at any bit of attention he can find says a lot about your character.

It's said Monti's IQ was over 130. But defecting to the Nazis in late 1944 doesn't seem very brilliant, never mind the immorality of it. Smart people don't have to be decent, and they don't have to have common sense either, it seems.

Are you actually acknowledging you were wrong?

Again, God save America.

You say this, then advocate discarding every fundamental ideal of the United States. Clearly, you have discovered that IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.

[High-Gear]

Originally Posted by snowbird

What you're hinting at obliquely is, you support John Walker Lindh, an American traitor who was caught red-handed fighting with an enemy unit AGAINST American soldiers.

He was fighting to take away our rights. He was trying to kill US troops. That's called treason.

If an American traitor had been caught fighting on the side of the Nazis, there wouldn't have been any debate about giving him all kinds of 'rights' in prison, as if it's like a burger joint where you 'can have it your way'. He would have been tried and executed. That's what should have happened to this traitor, but today our society has rotted from within by leftists and too many people's lack of will to do what's right.

God save America.

No, what I was blatently saying is YOU are representative of the same extreme fundamentalist ideology as the Taliban, just with a different god.

Why do you work so hard to try to paint me as being a supporter of Islam. If I disagree with you, I'm a supporter of Jihad. Guess what? You sir are not representative of the spirit of America. You represent what this country was founded against. You represent Religious Fanatic Tyrany.

[snowbird]

Originally Posted by Animal Mother

You ... advocate discarding every fundamental ideal of the United States.

Says the toady for Islam.

Newsflash: our Constitution does not require that we allow unlimited Muslim immigration, with its predictable result of liberty-ending sharia tyranny, as a "fundamental ideal".

[dbcooper]

Originally Posted by NMG26

They were free at one time. Now they are not.

The prison system is in charge of how much of anything they get. That includes religion.

Jail has got to suck or we would all go.


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This.

It's not like they can't pray, they just can't do it as a group.

Part of being caught is losing certian rights, and the right to assemble is the first to go, hence the cells

[snowbird]

Originally Posted by High-Gear

YOU are representative of the same extreme fundamentalist ideology as the Taliban, just with a different god.

Why do you work so hard to try to paint me as being a supporter of Islam.

You are parroting the false "moral equivalency" argument, which claims that "Christianity is just as bad as Islam". As of today, Islam has launched 19,508 deadly terror attacks just since 9/11, while in the same time frame, Christianity has launched zero. Saying Christianity is a terrorist political cult just as Islam is, is a lie. No matter how many times you call an apple an orange, it's still an apple.

The truth is, Christianity gave the world a Neil Armstrong who rode a rocket to the moon and back. Islam is still giving the world rocket attacks on civilians. Professor of Political Science at Port Said University, Gamal Zahran, says, "By next year, Allah willing, Israel will be annihilated".

Making false moral equivalency arguments helps enable (supports) Islamosupremacism, which is waging jihad warfare against us. This is not rocket science. If you don't want to be "painted as a supporter of Islam", then stop supporting Islam.

[Animal Mother]

Originally Posted by snowbird

Says the toady for Islam.

Says the consistently dishonest participant in the discussion.

Newsflash: our Constitution does not require that we allow unlimited Muslim immigration, with its predictable result of liberty-ending sharia tyranny, as a "fundamental ideal".

Newsflash: No one is claiming the Constitution requires unlimited Muslim immigration.

[snowbird]

Originally Posted by Animal Mother

Says the consistently dishonest participant in the discussion.

Newsflash: No one is claiming the Constitution requires unlimited Muslim immigration.

For a non-Muslim, you sure do a lot of takiyya. Oh, I forgot; lefties are licensed to lie as well.

While you've been busy slandering counterjihadists, your peaceful Muslims have increased their total number of deadly attacks, just since 9/11, to 19,512.

Proud of your dhimmitude now?

You sound like Islamosupremacist Turkey. A Turkish parliamentarian has now accused the French government of 'hate speech' for mentioning the Armenian Genocide in textbooks. Just like Animal Mother calling Snowbird a "hater" for mentioning the Armenian Genocide, in which Muslims murdered 1.5 million innocent Christian men, women, and children.

Guess what; our Constitution doesn't endorse events such as the Armenian Genocide under the First Amendment's freedom of religion clause, no matter what you may think. And since you claim that I "advocate discarding every fundamental ideal of the U.S.", how about you list a half dozen or so of said ideals that you think I want to discard?

Thanks in advance.

[Roering]

Originally Posted by 427

American Taliban seeks group prayer in Ind. prison
http://news.yahoo.com/american-talib...171224890.html

As far as I'm concerned that scumbag gave up his rights when he aided the Taliban in their efforts to fight us.

[Altaris]

Originally Posted by snowbird

The truth is, Christianity gave the world a Neil Armstrong who rode a rocket to the moon and back. Islam is still giving the world rocket attacks on civilians. Professor of Political Science at Port Said University, Gamal Zahran, says, "By next year, Allah willing, Israel will be annihilated".

Science gave the world heroes like Neil Armstrong and the ability for us to travel into space, not Christianity. Science is able to accomplish great feats in spite of religion, not because of it.

If Christian fundamentalists were left unchecked they would be covering up the women, punishing people with their morality police, and would be dragging us back to the caves, just like Islam.

[High-Gear]

Originally Posted by snowbird

You are parroting the false "moral equivalency" argument, which claims that "Christianity is just as bad as Islam". As of today, Islam has launched 19,508 deadly terror attacks just since 9/11, while in the same time frame, Christianity has launched zero. Saying Christianity is a terrorist political cult just as Islam is, is a lie. No matter how many times you call an apple an orange, it's still an apple.

The truth is, Christianity gave the world a Neil Armstrong who rode a rocket to the moon and back. Islam is still giving the world rocket attacks on civilians. Professor of Political Science at Port Said University, Gamal Zahran, says, "By next year, Allah willing, Israel will be annihilated".

Making false moral equivalency arguments helps enable (supports) Islamosupremacism, which is waging jihad warfare against us. This is not rocket science. If you don't want to be "painted as a supporter of Islam", then stop supporting Islam.

I said you are a fanatic. Again just because I don't agree with you does not mean I support islam. I just don't want to live in Snowbirdistan.

[Roering]

Originally Posted by Altaris

Science gave the world heroes like Neil Armstrong

Who was a practicing Lutheran.

[Gunhaver]

Originally Posted by High-Gear

I just don't want to live in Snowbirdistan.

[Gunhaver]

Originally Posted by Roering

Who was a practicing Lutheran.

Gee, what are the odds that a person willing to climb on top of a Saturn V rocket and ask them to light it up in the year 1969 would maybe be a person of faith?

Did Neil do it all on his own? I wonder just how good of a rocket scientist Neil Armstrong was. I'm pretty sure that the process of getting someone to the moon and back with slide rulers could be considered a greater accomplishment than simply stepping of the ladder and saying a few memorable words.

But you raise a good point. Do we give the credit for every great scientific discovery to the religion of the person that made said discovery? If so I'm positive that the "religion" of atheism is way out in front by now.

Be ready to get your scroll on... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...and_technology

[Vic Hays]

Originally Posted by Altaris

If Christian fundamentalists were left unchecked they would be covering up the women, punishing people with their morality police, and would be dragging us back to the caves, just like Islam.

Maybe I can educate you a little here on some nuances of religion.

Islam is both religion and government rolled up into one and intends to rule the world.

Some christianity is also in favor of controlling politics and ruling the world.

Jesus second temptation by satan was politics and ruling the world:

Luke 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, showed to him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
4:6 And the devil said to him, All this power will I give you, and the glory of them: for that is delivered to me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
4:7 If you therefore will worship me, all shall be yours.

So you can see that religions that are in to ruling over men are fallen for the power trip and are working against God.

This church is seen as being unfaithful to God and controling the nations.

The apostate churches also shed the blood of true Christians. She is sitting on the beast that represents the kingdoms of this world.

Revelation 17:6 I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her, I wondered with great amazement.
17:7 The angel said to me, “Why do you wonder? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

[NMG26]

Originally Posted by Vic Hays

This church is seen as being unfaithful to God and controling the nations.

The apostate churches also shed the blood of true Christians. She is sitting on the beast that represents the kingdoms of this world.

Revelation 17:6 I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints

I am starting to understand SDA theology. It is all about the end times. The end of the world is coming. God's apocalypse.

Stop drinking that cool aid.

God is not going to step in and bring your interpretation of Revelation to pass. If you don't have faith in the world that is, you can do little to make it a better place. A theology that's main focus is on the end, has lost faith in the world that is.

Thomas Jefferson on Revelation:

It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it and I then considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams.

[Kingarthurhk]

Originally Posted by NMG26

I am starting to understand SDA theology. It is all about the end times. The end of the world is coming. God's apocalypse.

Stop drinking that cool aid.

God is not going to step in and bring your interpretation of Revelation to pass. If you don't have faith in the world that is, you can do little to make it a better place. A theology that's main focus is on the end, has lost faith in the world that is.

Thomas Jefferson on Revelation:
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I would rather drink that cool aid than live in deception and attempt to deceive others. What you are saying is not from God.

[NMG26]

Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk

I would rather drink that cool aid than live in deception and attempt to deceive others. What you are saying is not from God.

I know Art,

You would rather bring other into the great deception, because you believe from your heart that it is true. It is a teaching based in fear. Many fear that maybe, just maybe, this radical interpretation of Revelation is true, so they put their faith in God. Where is the love Art?



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