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Old 07-28-2014, 18:07   #1
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Training Report with Remington 870 Police Magnum

I had a great time at Asymmetric Solutions USA's Tactical Shotgun I a week or so ago and thought I'd offer this AAR.

We gathered up with some of the ASUSA staff and in the morning spent most of our time reviewing the basics of tactical shotgun use and functionality, practicing various positions and manipulating the safety and getting it up and on target rapidly, moving from various holds. I was brand new to this kind of shotgun use, having only noodled around on my own with my Remington 870 Police Magnum and doing a bit of sporting clay shooting.

This was all new to me and I soaked up every minute of the training.

With snap cap dummy rounds we spent a lot of time on tactical reloads, emergency reloads and quickly chambering rounds, practicing putting a "slug" in quickly, if need be, from the side saddles or bandoliers we had for the day.

The training was very careful, very useful and very student-friendly, with no macho BS, just solid training, lots of good corrections, one-on-one and positive reinforcement and criticism where needed and necessary, it was great stuff.

The afternoon session, from 12:30-5:30 was devoted to a LOT of shooting, with a lot of drills putting into practice what we had been going through in the morning, fun times, with lots of drills.

I think many of us enjoyed the "slug shooting" portion of the day where we were able to square up against relatively small steel torso targets about about forty yards away and banged away with slugs. Talk about a nice big "boom" and plenty of "felt recoil" good stuff.

We spent a lot of time drilling on speed reloading with the constant mantra of "feed the beast" at every possible opportunity, learning how to get fresh rounds into the magazine when we could, or emergency reloading, overhand, into the chamber as fast as possible.

My favorite drill was the "Rolling Thunder" drill where six or seven us of had to fire one round, to the next guy, who fired one, and so forth, while we reloaded as fast as possible, then two, two, two, etc then three, three, etc. then four, four, four and five, five, five, down the line, a great drilling for some stress testing of reloading skills. I totally blew it the first time, did better second time.

Also learned the hard way that my Remington 870 Police Magnum does NOT like Fiocchi dove loads, but chewed through Winchester AA with no problems. 00 Buck was no problem at all, the slugs worked great. Not sure my shoulder would have enjoyed more than about forty rounds of it though.

I left feeling much more confident that I know what I need to be practicing and drilling to further refine what had been taught.
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Old 07-28-2014, 22:28   #2
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I had a great time at Asymmetric Solutions USA's Tactical Shotgun I a week or so ago and thought I'd offer this AAR.

We gathered up with some of the ASUSA staff and in the morning spent most of our time reviewing the basics of tactical shotgun use and functionality, practicing various positions and manipulating the safety and getting it up and on target rapidly, moving from various holds. I was brand new to this kind of shotgun use, having only noodled around on my own with my Remington 870 Police Magnum and doing a bit of sporting clay shooting.

This was all new to me and I soaked up every minute of the training.

With snap cap dummy rounds we spent a lot of time on tactical reloads, emergency reloads and quickly chambering rounds, practicing putting a "slug" in quickly, if need be, from the side saddles or bandoliers we had for the day.

The training was very careful, very useful and very student-friendly, with no macho BS, just solid training, lots of good corrections, one-on-one and positive reinforcement and criticism where needed and necessary, it was great stuff.

The afternoon session, from 12:30-5:30 was devoted to a LOT of shooting, with a lot of drills putting into practice what we had been going through in the morning, fun times, with lots of drills.

I think many of us enjoyed the "slug shooting" portion of the day where we were able to square up against relatively small steel torso targets about about forty yards away and banged away with slugs. Talk about a nice big "boom" and plenty of "felt recoil" good stuff.

We spent a lot of time drilling on speed reloading with the constant mantra of "feed the beast" at every possible opportunity, learning how to get fresh rounds into the magazine when we could, or emergency reloading, overhand, into the chamber as fast as possible.

My favorite drill was the "Rolling Thunder" drill where six or seven us of had to fire one round, to the next guy, who fired one, and so forth, while we reloaded as fast as possible, then two, two, two, etc then three, three, etc. then four, four, four and five, five, five, down the line, a great drilling for some stress testing of reloading skills. I totally blew it the first time, did better second time.

Also learned the hard way that my Remington 870 Police Magnum does NOT like Fiocchi dove loads, but chewed through Winchester AA with no problems. 00 Buck was no problem at all, the slugs worked great. Not sure my shoulder would have enjoyed more than about forty rounds of it though.

I left feeling much more confident that I know what I need to be practicing and drilling to further refine what had been taught.
Nice report. I'll say this...I spent a week at Gunsite taking the shotgun course and you will walk away at the end of that week very confident in your abilities with a shotgun and with a better understanding of its true capabilities in trained hands.

Whereas we spent a couple of days refining our basic combat stroke with a pistol in the pistol course, likewise we probably spent several days with manual of arms, reload techniques and drills. You really don't have to worry about unholstering a shotgun
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Old 07-29-2014, 06:23   #3
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Nice report. I'll say this...I spent a week at Gunsite taking the shotgun course and you will walk away at the end of that week very confident in your abilities with a shotgun and with a better understanding of its true capabilities in trained hands.

Whereas we spent a couple of days refining our basic combat stroke with a pistol in the pistol course, likewise we probably spent several days with manual of arms, reload techniques and drills. You really don't have to worry about unholstering a shotgun
True that, but it is kind of hard to carry a full size tactical shotgun in your pants. You have to put up with all kinds of jokes, like, "Is that a Remington 870 in your pants, or are you just happy to see me?"
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How come your 870 doesn't like Fiocchi dove loads?
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How come your 870 doesn't like Fiocchi dove loads?

One guy said it could be that the "low brass" hull doesn't like the chamber on my Remington Police Magnum. He suggested polishing the chamber and seeing if that makes a difference. Had no issues with Winchester AA or Remington 00 Buck or Winchester slugs though.
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