[G23Gen4TX]

I only need one reason. It sounds like BS. That's it.

[ArrowJ]

Originally Posted by Glock36shooter

But it seems they are close to understanding how particles can simply just appear from nothing. That "Nothing" is some how unstable and will always give rise to "Something"... I know it sounds crazy.

I do not know. You have this man made document saying something inccredible happened, that neither he can explain fully nor you can wrap your mind around fully, but we are supposed to take it on faith that given enough time we will understand the full truth of this amazing claim that something can come from nothing? A little ironic perhaps.

[Geko45]

Originally Posted by ArrowJ

I do not know. You have this man made document saying something inccredible happened, that neither he can explain fully nor you can wrap your mind around fully, but we are supposed to take it on faith that given enough time we will understand the full truth of this amazing claim that something can come from nothing? A little ironic perhaps.

Not on faith, on math. A theory of elementary particle physics is not written in english, it is is written in mathematics. We try to come up with a set of analogies to try to describe the math in ways we can understand (strings, branes, waves, etc), but this is not the actual theory. This is referred to as an interpretation. Interpretations can be flawed and inconsistent and strange and that's ok because their only purpose is to help us conceptualize the math, but the math has to work out correctly every time (actual results match predicted results) in order for the theory to be considered valid and in this case they do.

[Glock36shooter]

Originally Posted by ArrowJ

I do not know. You have this man made document saying something inccredible happened, that neither he can explain fully nor you can wrap your mind around fully, but we are supposed to take it on faith that given enough time we will understand the full truth of this amazing claim that something can come from nothing? A little ironic perhaps.

It isn't perfect. But it's supported by tons more research and brilliant minds than what went into the construction of your book. So no... not really ironic.

[2@low8]

Originally Posted by Glock!9

I grew up in a Fundamental Baptist home and church, I am now in my mid 30s with a wife and 3 kids. i want nothing to do with Fundamental Baptists and I truly struggle with some of those 10 questions. I will say I do not think it was well written but i understand where he is coming from.
The problem I see on both sides of this debate is anger, intolerance and even hate.
In this forum alone the discussion turns downward right away.

Hope I don't break any forum rules for you Glock!9, but take a long read at www.stufffundieslike.com

Many, many folks have been where you have been...Myself included. PM me if you like.

[ArrowJ]

Originally Posted by Glock36shooter

It isn't perfect. But it's supported by tons more research and brilliant minds than what went into the construction of your book. So no... not really ironic.

Okie dokie.

[Geko45]

Originally Posted by ArrowJ

I do not know. You have this man made document saying something inccredible happened, that neither he can explain fully nor you can wrap your mind around fully, but we are supposed to take it on faith that given enough time we will understand the full truth of this amazing claim that something can come from nothing? A little ironic perhaps.

I'm sensing sarcasm here, but not sure which way you were going with it?

[muscogee]

Originally Posted by Glock!9

I grew up in a Fundamental Baptist home and church, I am now in my mid 30s with a wife and 3 kids. i want nothing to do with Fundamental Baptists and I truly struggle with some of those 10 questions. I will say I do not think it was well written but i understand where he is coming from.
The problem I see on both sides of this debate is anger, intolerance and even hate.
In this forum alone the discussion turns downward right away.

Me too. I was 41 before I was able to break the brainwashing.

[muscogee]

Originally Posted by ArrowJ

I am a Christian. I appreciate these ideas. You are not going to talk me out of believing in God, and I am not going to talk you into it, but I am curious (as in I am not trying to stump you) as to your view on the where the "stuff" of the universe came from, and how life started. I am a theistic evolutionist and believe God used directed evolution after He created the stuff of the universe and life. Also, what about information theory...how does information i.e. the data encoded in DNA evolve? Again, I am just interested in your solution to these problems. I respect you regardless of your views.

We will never know all about creation there is to know. If time is infinite, no matter how far back we go, there will always be something before.

[Sarge1400]

Originally Posted by JBnTX

What amazes me is that compared to all that's knowable in this universe, mankind's total knowledge is less than one drop of water in all the world's oceans.

Yet with that extremely limited knowledge, some people can declare, with certainty, that there's no God.

And if there is a God, he must really be screwed up.

Do you really think you've got it all figured out?

If you've been paying attention (you haven't), you'd remember the countless times that atheists have admitted to not having it all figured out. But, we continue to figure out more and more as time progresses, and occasionally have to modify what we believe due to new evidence being uncovered.
YOU, on the other hand, think you've got it all figured out (god did it), and intentionally bury your head in the sand (or some other dark place) and refuse to look at anything else, lest your precious little fairy tale be torn to shreds.
We seek the truth, whatever it may be. You hide from it.

[Green_Manelishi]

Summed up: he hates God.

[Sarge1400]

Originally Posted by Green_Manelishi

Summed up: he hates God.

Riiiiiiight. I also hate the Easter Bunny, Santa, Odin, The FSM, leprechauns, aliens, chupacabra, and the plethora of other mythical beings. [/sarcasm off]. Intentional or not, you are a laugh a minute, thanks for the entertainment. Now, put your special helmet on and go outside to play.

[Green_Manelishi]

Originally Posted by Sarge1400

Riiiiiiight. I also hate the Easter Bunny, Santa, Odin, The FSM, leprechauns, aliens, chupacabra, and the plethora of other mythical beings. [/sarcasm off]. Intentional or not, you are a laugh a minute, thanks for the entertainment. Now, put your special helmet on and go outside to play.

I can understand why you hate God, but I wonder how much a nutter you must be to hate the Easter Bunny, Santa and the others. To which "special helmet" are you referring? Unlike myself, who you seem to believe is "a laugh a minute" you are not even remotely clever or humorous.

[John Rambo]

Originally Posted by Sarge1400

Riiiiiiight. I also hate the Easter Bunny, Santa, Odin, The FSM, leprechauns, aliens, chupacabra, and the plethora of other mythical beings. [/sarcasm off]. Intentional or not, you are a laugh a minute, thanks for the entertainment. Now, put your special helmet on and go outside to play.

Real effing nice, pal. Odin slays the Frost Giants for you and you hate him.

[Sarge1400]

Originally Posted by John Rambo

Real effing nice, pal. Odin slays the Frost Giants for you and you hate him.

It's just that I'm jealous of big, muscular Norske dudes. They get all the hot chicks.

[BuzznRose]

Why do atheists even give a crap about folks who have Faith? Make no sense to me.

But another observation wis while they are swift to argue with Christians and Jews, they are tolerant of Muslims. Scared?


"Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway."
-- John Wayne

[Sarge1400]

Originally Posted by Green_Manelishi

I can understand why you hate God, but I wonder how much a nutter you must be to hate the Easter Bunny, Santa and the others. To which "special helmet" are you referring? Unlike myself, who you seem to believe is "a laugh a minute" you are not even remotely clever or humorous.

Watch out, Narcissus, your ego is showing.

[Sarge1400]

Originally Posted by BuzznRose

Why do atheists even give a crap about folks who have Faith? Make no sense to me.

But another observation wis while they are swift to argue with Christians and Jews, they are tolerant of Muslims. Scared?


"Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway."
-- John Wayne

Because your 'faith' is used to try to legislate what you think is 'right'. I'm tolerant of any person of any faith who keeps it to themselves and doesn't try to make laws based on......well, nothing, really. I don't support Sharia in the U.S. any more than I support a law against buying booze on Sunday because some religious nut thinks it's a sin.

[Green_Manelishi]

Originally Posted by Sarge1400

Watch out, Narcissus, your ego is showing.

Oh good. All that "self esteem" practice seems to be working.

[Sarge1400]

Originally Posted by Green_Manelishi

Oh good. All that "self esteem" practice seems to be working.

In spades.

[Green_Manelishi]

Originally Posted by Sarge1400

Because your 'faith' is used to try to legislate what you think is 'right'. I'm tolerant of any person of any faith who keeps it to themselves and doesn't try to make laws based on......well, nothing, really. I don't support Sharia in the U.S. any more than I support a law against buying booze on Sunday because some religious nut thinks it's a sin.

Why are you in a RI forum? Trying to shout down the believers? It's not working. You are simply one man lost in the wilderness, raging at the God in whom you don't believe.

Though now I see part of your problem. You ran out of MD 20/20 on a Sunday morning and had to wait until Monday to get completely blootered.

[Sarge1400]

Originally Posted by Green_Manelishi

Why are you in a RI forum? Trying to shout down the believers? It's not working. You are simply one man lost in the wilderness, raging at the God in whom you don't believe.

I'm not lost anywhere. I don't rage against that in which I don't believe, that would be silly. However, idiots piss me off, and you made the list.

Though now I see part of your problem. You ran out of MD 20/20 on a Sunday morning and had to wait until Monday to get completely blootered.[/QUOTE]

Mad Dog is too expensive, Thunderbird is my drink of choice; it's like formaldehyde, only in a neater bottle.

[Green_Manelishi]

Originally Posted by Sarge1400

I'm not lost anywhere. I don't rage against that in which I don't believe, that would be silly. However, idiots piss me off, and you made the list.

Whether or not you believe you are raging against God, your continued presence in this room seems to indicate otherwise, and that you insist all of us listen to your tantrums.

Originally Posted by Sarge1400

Mad Dog is too expensive, Thunderbird is my drink of choice; it's like formaldehyde, only in a neater bottle.

Why am I not surprised. You might want to seek out a mission that caters to mens with your particular addiction. You will find Jesus there, waiting for you to come to your senses and put away the hate.

[muscogee]

Originally Posted by BuzznRose

Why do atheists even give a crap about folks who have Faith? Make no sense to me.

But another observation wis while they are swift to argue with Christians and Jews, they are tolerant of Muslims. Scared?


"Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway."
-- John Wayne

Well, if the Muslims want everyone to take off work on Fridays so we will all have three day weekends, I'm with them. If they want to start cutting off hands, I'll argue with them. So far they're not asking for much in the U.S. so there's nothing to argue about.

[muscogee]

Originally Posted by Green_Manelishi

Why are you in a RI forum? Trying to shout down the believers? It's not working. You are simply one man lost in the wilderness, raging at the God in whom you don't believe.

Because it's humorous. Glad you're back. You're always good for a laugh.

Originally Posted by Green_Manelishi

Though now I see part of your problem. You ran out of MD 20/20 on a Sunday morning and had to wait until Monday to get completely blootered.

Now, now, now, Matthew 22:36-40.