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Old 09-14-2012, 05:32   #21
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Your imagination and penchant to blame America first collide and end in a very illustrative conspiracy theory quite often.

"excercising your freedoms" too often can rewire your brain and commonly leads to paranoia. Cut back some.


What the article is actually saying isn't in a secret code that only you and some of your like minded colleagues can decipher.
You're right. It's not a secret to anyone that does research further than the latest Fox News broadcast or the latest GTPI echo chamber slogans and misinformation.

Your lack of education, research and extremely narrow worldview isn't my fault. Only you can fix that. Horse to water and all that. I find your refusal to EVER acknowledge our foreign policy faults just as delusional as you think my wide worldview may be.

What exactly do you think the CIA does around the world???? Overthrowing foreign governments, fomenting violence to further fascist imperial goals, recruiting and supplying mercenaries, etc is their JOB DESCRIPTION.
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You're right. It's not a secret to anyone that does research further than the latest Fox News broadcast or the latest GTPI echo chamber slogans and misinformation.

Your lack of education, research and extremely narrow worldview isn't my fault. Only you can fix that. Horse to water and all that. I find your refusal to EVER acknowledge our foreign policy faults just as delusional as you think my wide worldview may be.

What exactly do you think the CIA does around the world???? Overthrowing foreign governments, fomenting violence to further fascist imperial goals, recruiting and supplying mercenaries, etc is their JOB DESCRIPTION.
You have about hit zero on the credibility scale.

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You're right. It's not a secret to anyone that does research further than the latest Fox News broadcast or the latest GTPI echo chamber slogans and misinformation.

Your lack of education, research and extremely narrow worldview isn't my fault. Only you can fix that. Horse to water and all that. I find your refusal to EVER acknowledge our foreign policy faults just as delusional as you think my wide worldview may be.

What exactly do you think the CIA does around the world???? Overthrowing foreign governments, fomenting violence to further fascist imperial goals, recruiting and supplying mercenaries, etc is their JOB DESCRIPTION.
Look scooter, I know you are trying to get under my skin. Which is why it's not working. I've been to these places, I've been friends with these guys, and enemies. Situational awareness was key to my survival. I had the ability to read raw intel reports straight from the front line troops in a forum not a whole lot different than this, except they were more polite.

But no, I don't visit blogs written by twenty somethings that have never traveled, trying to see their monitor through a pot smoke haze. If reading crazy drug fueled conspiracy theories is your idea of educating yourself, you should really get a passport.

I'll believe your CIA link to this attack when you produce some credible information. Your wild speculation doesn't do it for me. And yes, I do understand what the CIA does. I could tell you how, but it would sound like bragging.
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PAPER: Egypt intelligence warned on Sept. 4 of possible attacks...



Looking more and more like Barry and Hillary got caught asleep at the wheel.

If this had been a republican, it would be the end of him.
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PAPER: Egypt intelligence warned on Sept. 4 of possible attacks...



Looking more and more like Barry and Hillary got caught asleep at the wheel.

If this had been a republican, it would be the end of him.
What this needs to be, is a cautionary for all those idiots who would like to see Hitlery as 'President' ...

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You have about hit zero on the credibility scale.

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Look scooter, I know you are trying to get under my skin. Which is why it's not working. I've been to these places, I've been friends with these guys, and enemies. Situational awareness was key to my survival. I had the ability to read raw intel reports straight from the front line troops in a forum not a whole lot different than this, except they were more polite.
I don't want to get under your skin. I want you to expand your worldview.

Not sure how a field doctor had access to Top Secret briefings, CIA memos, State Dept cables and other pertinent intelligence. Are you claiming to be something more than just another grunt?

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But no, I don't visit blogs written by twenty somethings that have never traveled, trying to see their monitor through a pot smoke haze. If reading crazy drug fueled conspiracy theories is your idea of educating yourself, you should really get a passport.
So you admit to getting all your current news from the corporate controlled MSM and echo chamber forums like this, full of equally uninformed posters that get their info from the same sources you get yours from. That's a grand exchange of information if Ive ever seen it. Considering how hostile you are to other opinions and information (like mine), I'm pretty sure you don't venture outside of your personal bubble.

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I'll believe your CIA link to this attack when you produce some credible information. Your wild speculation doesn't do it for me. And yes, I do understand what the CIA does. I could tell you how, but it would sound like bragging.
Here's the first result of a Yahoo search on the CIA in Libya. Try it sometime.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/31/wo...a/31intel.html

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The Central Intelligence Agency has inserted clandestine operatives into Libya to gather intelligence for military airstrikes and to contact and vet the beleaguered rebels battling Col. Muammar el-Qaddafiís forces, according to American officials.

While President Obama has insisted that no American military ground troops participate in the Libyan campaign, small groups of C.I.A. operatives have been working in Libya for several weeks as part of a shadow force of Westerners that the Obama administration hopes can help bleed Colonel Qaddafiís military, the officials said.
So I ask again, what exactly do you think the CIA does around the world??? If you do know then you know exactly what Im talking about here and you're attempting to deflect away from the truth regarding how much meddling, covert black ops, and the like that they undertake.
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I don't want to get under your skin. I want you to expand your worldview.

Not sure how a field doctor had access to Top Secret briefings, CIA memos, State Dept cables and other pertinent intelligence. Are you claiming to be something more than just another grunt?



So you admit to getting all your current news from the corporate controlled MSM and echo chamber forums like this, full of equally uninformed posters that get their info from the same sources you get yours from. That's a grand exchange of information if Ive ever seen it. Considering how hostile you are to other opinions and information (like mine), I'm pretty sure you don't venture outside of your personal bubble.



Here's the first result of a Yahoo search on the CIA in Libya. Try it sometime.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/31/wo...a/31intel.html



So I ask again, what exactly do you think the CIA does around the world??? If you do know then you know exactly what Im talking about here and you're attempting to deflect away from the truth regarding how much meddling, covert black ops, and the like that they undertake.
Yer funny, and naive.

Physician Assistant, not doctor. We serve as special staff officers to maneuver unit commanders. I spent 10 years in combat arms battalions, brigades and a division. The fact that you don't understand that brings into question your own level of knowledge.

It will help me to learn how broad your world view is first. How many countries have you spent more than 6 months in?

And no, visiting via the Internet doesn't count.

ETA: it's odd that you are ignoring Barry and Hillary's potential catastrophic failure in their duty here. Looks to me that you are desperate to make your sigline come true.
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I don't want to get under your skin. I want you to expand your worldview.

Not sure how a field doctor had access to Top Secret briefings, CIA memos, State Dept cables and other pertinent intelligence. Are you claiming to be something more than just another grunt?



So you admit to getting all your current news from the corporate controlled MSM and echo chamber forums like this, full of equally uninformed posters that get their info from the same sources you get yours from. That's a grand exchange of information if Ive ever seen it. Considering how hostile you are to other opinions and information (like mine), I'm pretty sure you don't venture outside of your personal bubble.



Here's the first result of a Yahoo search on the CIA in Libya. Try it sometime.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/31/wo...a/31intel.html



So I ask again, what exactly do you think the CIA does around the world??? If you do know then you know exactly what Im talking about here and you're attempting to deflect away from the truth regarding how much meddling, covert black ops, and the like that they undertake.
I'm confused. I thought they attacked because we are such imperialists. Now it's an inside job?

Make up your minds.
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I'm confused. I thought they attacked because we are such imperialists. Now it's an inside job?

Make up your minds.
Good that someone brought this up and I'm going to attempt to explain a very complicated topic as best I can.

The CIA's job is to facilitate people into acting a certain way. Your average Libyan is not happy about what has gone on in their country and is very aware of US/NATO/CIA involvement but that doesn't mean that any Libyan will attack an embassy spontaneously. The CIA finds influential and vocal individuals to "turn" (commonly called "assets"), usually in exchange for power and money, and provides the asset with the resources to recruit and radicalize others to do whatever the CIA directs. The asset is the proxy.

I'm not suggesting that the CIA knows every person involved in the embassy demonstrations and attacks. That's silly. If the Libyan CIA asset is given the means (money, weapons, food, propaganda) to radicalize other Libyans then the asset can get those average Libyans to do things. Remember, we're talking about countries that are in ruin and full of pissed off people that are aware who is involved in that ruin. There are over a billion muslims in the world and there are a very tiny percentage that will act badly if goaded into it or given an incentive to do it.

Think of it this way. If the US were a third world country and the Chinese bombed Atlanta, there would be a lot of American anger at China but not many resources to react against China. Send in some Chinese CIA and give certain vocal Atlantans money, food, and weapons and a direction to funnel that anger into an attack on the Chinese embassy in Atlanta, which justifies more Chinese aggression against the US since those "savage Americans" killed a Chinese diplomat. See the hypothetical parallels? This is what the CIA does in other countries. You all blame the muslims instead of blaming what caused the anger (blowback from blowing up their country) and the CIA providing them the means and training to carry out an embassy attack. This keeps everyone angry at each other while the gov't and banks run off with all the money and oil.

It's such a complex topic that Ive studied for years that it's almost impossible to put into words exactly how this works.

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If you can't put it into words, it's a pretty good indication just how little you really understand what you are talking about.

I'm starting to see just how limited your world view is, you seem to only believe in a single all controlling entity that is involved in everything. There are actually many competing entities.
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If you can't put it into words, it's a pretty good indication just how little you really understand what you are talking about.
I think I did a pretty good job above for a broad overview. It's not something one can boil down into 10 second debate talking points. I'm sure you know that.

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Not really. Everyone in positions of power are generally after the same things. Money and more power.

a bit offtopic:

If you're at all interested in honest discussion then one thing you have to understand is that most humans think differently. Are you familiar with the Myers-Briggs personality types? If you haven't, take this online MBTI test. You'll be amazed at what you learn about your own brain functions and how you interact with others.

http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp

I have taken the test and my personality type is INTJ. This Wiki entry will tell you how I think about topics such as foreign policy. For the record, Ron Paul is also an INTJ as are many Paulites and many politicians (though some are E instead of I). This is the biggest reason I understand most of this stuff. I think just like most politicians and high level executives do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INTJ

You and I are different personality types and it's why we rarely see eye to eye on topics. It's a fascinating topic overall. Post your MBTI type if you take the test!

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If this proves to be true, it may be the beginning of the end for Barry, maybe even Hillary.
Fast & Furious wasn't the end. Bribing Solyndra campaign donors with taxpayer money didn't do it. Bragging about shutting down and bankrupting the coal powered electric power industry didn't do it. Openly saying gasoline in the US was way too cheap and then standing by while prices have doubled didn't do it. Six trillion dollars in new debt going mainly to welfare and corruption in less than 4 years didn't do it. Why would a dead ambassador make any difference?
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I think I did a pretty good job above for a broad overview. It's not something one can boil down into 10 second debate talking points. I'm sure you know that.



Not really. Everyone in positions of power are generally after the same things. Money and more power.

a bit offtopic:

If you're at all interested in honest discussion then one thing you have to understand is that most humans think differently. Are you familiar with the Myers-Briggs personality types? If you haven't, take this online MBTI test. You'll be amazed at what you learn about your own brain functions and how you interact with others.

http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp

I have taken the test and my personality type is INTJ. This Wiki entry will tell you how I think about topics such as foreign policy. For the record, Ron Paul is also an INTJ as are many Paulites and many politicians (though some of E instead of I).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INTJ

You and I are different personality types and it's why we rarely see eye to eye on topics. It's a fascinating topic overall. Post your MBTI type if you take the test!
Maybe we could get back to your claim that you have such a broad world view, even broader than mine.

Please tell all of us your level of experience in the world. I'm sure it's fascinating.
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Fast & Furious wasn't the end. Bribing Solyndra campaign donors with taxpayer money didn't do it. Bragging about shutting down and bankrupting the coal powered electric power industry didn't do it. Openly saying gasoline in the US was way too cheap and then standing by while prices have doubled didn't do it. Six trillion dollars in new debt going mainly to welfare and corruption in less than 4 years didn't do it. Why would a dead ambassador make any difference?
If you'll wait a couple of months, I'll be able to tell you how it was, or how it wasn't. There is only potential right now.
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Maybe we could get back to your claim that you have such a broad world view, even broader than mine.

Please tell all of us your level of experience in the world. I'm sure it's fascinating.
I don't even know what this means. "Level of experience in the world"? Been here on the planet a good while and have learned a lot through many sources over that period, which my brain type is able to process into complex understandings of things like how the CIA works. Im able to soak up tons of information, recognize patterns, and therefore formulate opinions and theories based on it.

"Does it work?" "It" being our foreign policy and overall current state of this nation. My answer is NO. Why not try some different things instead of doing the same things over and over and expecting different results?
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I don't even know what this means. "Level of experience in the world"? Been here on the planet a good while and have learned a lot through many sources over that period, which my brain type is able to process into complex understandings of things like how the CIA works. Im able to soak up tons of information, recognize patterns, and therefore formulate opinions and theories based on it.

"Does it work?" "It" being our foreign policy and overall current state of this nation. My answer is NO. Why not try some different things instead of doing the same things over and over and expecting different results?
So other than surfing the net, how have you arrived at your world view? Have you spent any time at all in other countries? Which ones and how much time? Have you done anything professionally or as a student that helped you gain insight? What jobs/classes/degrees?

Just to give us a general snapshot of where you are coming from. I've not hidden my general background.
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It's confirmed.

You are officially unOnionable.
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Not much in the original article in terms of specifics about a warning. Nothing to say our administration was at fault.

Even from my distance, I'd say obviously on 9/11 you want to be on medium/high alert whether or not you have additional information. We'll need to remember some lessons from Beirut. (google Beirut and Marines if you don't know what I'm talking about).

My guess is that this incident will further increase security at our embassies worldwide for decades to come.

RIP Ambassador Stevens. From what I hear, you were a great man. RIP to the other embassy official and to the two marines killed. Let us not forget their service to our country.
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