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Old 10-09-2012, 18:42   #1
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How much to give a crackhead to return your stolen phone?

Did a 5K Sunday night with a friend who was visiting from Chicago. She didn't bring a pack or anything to keep her stuff in so she carried her phone and mp3 player the whole night. Stopped in the can at one of the casinos on the way out and she didn't realize she left both items on the TP dispenser until we got back to my car. She ran back in and of course they were gone. Asked the person cleaning the bathroom and security if they saw anything, both said no. Security had surveillance checking video of who went in n out of the bathroom, no luck.

I tried calling her phone and a black female answered. I asked if she found the phone, she said yes. She gave me a bs story about being too far away to return it and hung up on me. I kept calling the phone for about 30 mins (including a few mins where it was turned off and the call went straight to voicemail) until she answered it again. I asked her to return to the casino so we can straighten things out. She asked how much I was gonna give her. I told her to tell me what she wanted and she said "fifty bucks." I said I can do fifty.

She showed up at the casino looking ratty as all hell. She kept licking her lips, she had a nasty ponytail weave and was wearing a pink flowered tank top and jean shorts. She had the phone in her hand. She gave me the phone and dug the mp3 player out of her purse and handed that over as well.

I passed them both to my friend and started asking her where she got them. She started giving me a bs story about some woman selling them to her outside the side door of the casino for $40, but she paid her with a $50 bill and the woman never brought her change back to her. She was claiming she never went in the bathroom and someone else sold them to her and people do this all the time, so that's ok. While we were talking, 4 security guards swarmed around us including the supervisor that was helping us. He talked to her for a second, talked to my friend and when he found out that the property was all returned, they all disappeared. I'm very surprised by that since most of the casinos (especially the downtown ones that have plenty of undesirables in and out) will trespass someone at the drop of a hat. I'm surprised that he didn't even try to ask her name or for ID to trespass her. After security all walked away, she looked at me and asked me for the $50 that I "promised" her. I said "I never promised you $50, I just said I could do that. I don't believe your story and I think you stole the phone from the bathroom yourself. Be happy to walk away knowing you did a good deed by returning it." She flipped off the handle. She started pulling at her weave and smacking her lips. I thought for sure she was going to swing on either of us at any second. She just snapped that maybe next time she won't bring the phone back. I told her to quit stealing other people's stuff and she wouldn't have this problem.

So I'm looking for an expert opinion...how would you have handled it? My friend got her property back and wasn't interested in going back and forth to prosecute this misdemeanor at best. Security had no interest in dealing with her. I'm still kinda peeved that they didn't trespass her or at least ID her since I have no doubt that she's going to try to do the same thing again. She seems too eager to make a quick buck off a dumb tourist who forgets their property not to do it again. My biggest question...would anyone here have paid her any money?
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Old 10-09-2012, 18:47   #2
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I would have asked her that letting her live was worth more than $50, isn't it?
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would anyone here have paid her any money?
Heck no. I'm surprised she handed over your property without the cash upfront though. You did good.
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Old 10-09-2012, 19:02   #4
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I'm gonna guess by downtown you mean Freemont Street.
You're lucky she came back at all. On the strip I'd be surprised a crackhead got far enough in the door to hit the bathroom.
I wouldn't have given her a dime.
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I would have badged her ghetto stank ass and asked her if she wanted extortion charges to go with her side of AIDS.
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All my pants have pockets, so I don't leave valuables lying around.

If i was wearing a 5.11 tactical kilt, w/o pockets, I'd leave the valuables HIDDEN in the car.

But, that's just me.
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If i was wearing a 5.11 tactical kilt, w/o pockets, I'd leave the valuables HIDDEN in the car.
You would have used your Tacticool cordura nylon sporan to hide your valuables
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I would have brought a small pail of sand and a couple of 1lb bags to give to her.


So she could go pound sand.
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Old 10-09-2012, 19:33   #9
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I would have asked her that letting her live was worth more than $50, isn't it?
That thought came across my mind and if she were dealing with someone from the streets she might have gone to the hospital instead of walking away. Unfortunately I weighed the options with a "balancing test" of sorts and not getting cited/arrested for simple battery won out. I have no doubt she's going to try to pull the same thing on someone else and it will probably only be a matter of time.

Yes, it was on Fremont st and I agree that on the strip she would have been hustled out the door by security as soon as she walked inside. One of the security guards was talking a big game about how they "don't play" and if she's on camera they'll get her. If only those cameras could tell you someone's full name, address, dob, social and phone number, right?
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After security all walked away, she looked at me and asked me for the $50 that I "promised" her. I said "I never promised you $50, I just said I could do that. I don't believe your story and I think you stole the phone from the bathroom yourself. Be happy to walk away knowing you did a good deed by returning it." She flipped off the handle.
Who was the skank in this story? "She" found the phone in the toilet. No theft here. Yes, "She" could have turned it in. And she could have just kept it or trashed it. Or she could have run you around town for fun - meet me here, and not show.

If she was presented in a way you agreed with, would you have offered her money for her kindness?

You should have given her the $50 and thanked her.

But, you skanked out - you were too cheap so you found a reason not to give her some money.

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Old 10-09-2012, 19:56   #11
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Not one freak'n nickel.



Glad it all turned out well.
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Who was the skank in this story? "She" found the phone in the toilet. No theft here. Yes, "She" could have turned it in. And she could have just kept it or trashed it. Or she could have run you around town for fun - meet me here, and not show.

If she was presented in a way you agreed with, would you have offered her money for her kindness?

You should have given her the $50 and thanked her.

But, you skanked out - you were too cheap so you found a reason not to give her some money.
"She" took property that did not belong to her, and attempted to extort money for the return of said property. I don't blame him one bit.
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You do not reward bad behavior. She showed lack of moral fiber, she got naught. She was not kind enough to return the items. She tried to abscond with the items, I would not give her dime one. The only reason she showed was due to greed.


Mr. Mason, you are far too trusting. The more I learn about humans, the more I want to be a veterinarian.
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I have told others that they lost the phone and someone picked it up. It is up to them if they want to pay and get it back, but not to pay more than $20.00, or if they wanted to try and do a sting.

The issue we ran into is that most times its a few people involved and the person that found it, or last had it, splits the money with the person brining it back. We could not prove that the person who returns it, stole it. We can prove that they were expecting a "reward". They could prove in court they were getting high at the time of the theft with other people (and store video supported they could not have done it). So for an hour of two worth of waiting and an arrest that gets dropped, and court dates that come at the worst time, we can try to get back a phone, but if they spot us in our patrol uniform, with our patrol cars, the phone could be gone for good along with phone numbers, pictures, and data.

Me, I would pay $20 for my screw up to get back any type of ID or a phone. Lost money I could care less about, but a phone or ID I would want back and have no issues spending a few bucks over having to try and replace/rebuild.

Would you try to arrest a woman who tried to get a $50 reward for your lost badge? Think she could say or do anything that might make $50 seem worth it? Lost badge letter/home land security letter/NCIC entry sucks.

To me its a balance. Yes, its a hustle most times, but you did leave your property/failed to keep control. Make your own calls, as you have to live with it.
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The crackhead skank never had any $50 bill. You could have paid her with a swift smack upside her empty head.
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I wouldn't have given her one penny but I would call and ask for the head of security later on to discuss their handling of it.
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I would have gone to the nearest store that carried the game - Monopoly and given her a light blue $50 bill.

You never mentioned or promised her a Federal Reserve Note.
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Just tell her she was in possession of stolen property, and you're sparing her a trip to jail. Don't turn your back on her though, crackheads are dangerous and fairly crazy.
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Who was the skank in this story? "She" found the phone in the toilet. No theft here. Yes, "She" could have turned it in. And she could have just kept it or trashed it. Or she could have run you around town for fun - meet me here, and not show.

If she was presented in a way you agreed with, would you have offered her money for her kindness?

You should have given her the $50 and thanked her.

But, you skanked out - you were too cheap so you found a reason not to give her some money.
NRS 205.0832 Actions which constitute theft.

1. Except as otherwise provided in subsection 2, a person commits theft if, without lawful authority, the person knowingly:

(a) Controls any property of another person with the intent to deprive that person of the property.

(b) Converts, makes an unauthorized transfer of an interest in, or without authorization controls any property of another person, or uses the services or property of another person entrusted to him or her or placed in his or her possession for a limited, authorized period of determined or prescribed duration or for a limited use.

(c) Obtains real, personal or intangible property or the services of another person by a material misrepresentation with intent to deprive that person of the property or services. As used in this paragraph, “material misrepresentation” means the use of any pretense, or the making of any promise, representation or statement of present, past or future fact which is fraudulent and which, when used or made, is instrumental in causing the wrongful control or transfer of property or services. The pretense may be verbal or it may be a physical act.

(d) Comes into control of lost, mislaid or misdelivered property of another person under circumstances providing means of inquiry as to the true owner and appropriates that property to his or her own use or that of another person without reasonable efforts to notify the true owner.
(e) Controls property of another person knowing or having reason to know that the property was stolen.

(f) Obtains services or parts, products or other items related to such services which the person knows are available only for compensation without paying or agreeing to pay compensation or diverts the services of another person to his or her own benefit or that of another person without lawful authority to do so.
(g) Takes, destroys, conceals or disposes of property in which another person has a security interest, with intent to defraud that person.
(h) Commits any act that is declared to be theft by a specific statute.
(i) Draws or passes a check, and in exchange obtains property or services, if the person knows that the check will not be paid when presented.
(j) Obtains gasoline or other fuel or automotive products which are available only for compensation without paying or agreeing to pay compensation.
2. A person who commits an act that is prohibited by subsection 1 which involves the repair of a vehicle has not committed theft unless, before the repair was made, the person received a written estimate of the cost of the repair.

(Added to NRS by 1989, 1204; A 1999, 2706; 2001, 3024)


Either of the above bolded sections fits exactly. If she took the lost phone, she exerted control over lost/mislaid property. If she wants to stick to her story that some woman sold it to her for $50, she received stolen property. I don't know where you're getting the idea that she was somehow providing me a service and deserved to be rewarded, but I didn't ask for her service and she could have left it there or turned it in at security or to the lady cleaning the bathroom. What's your bank account number? I'll provide you the service of holding your money for you and when you need some, I'll tell you how much I'm going to charge you for holding it.


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"She" took property that did not belong to her, and attempted to extort money for the return of said property. I don't blame him one bit.
That was kinda my opinion. I thought maybe she was telling the truth about buying the phone for $50 but she didn't say that on the phone, she asked "what are you gonna give me?" instead of saying "I paid someone $50 for it, I want my money back." Then I considered the source and realized how stupid it would be to believe her.

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I wouldn't have given her one penny but I would call and ask for the head of security later on to discuss their handling of it.
I can't really fault them since they're not law enforcement but if I were director/shift manager of security, she's not the type of person I'd want wandering through my casino. They just had a situation where an elderly gambler got his ticket stolen from his slot machine and he wrote to the paper claiming they wouldn't do anything for him. I think making these type of people feel as unwelcome as possible would help curb these types of incident.

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Just tell her she was in possession of stolen property, and you're sparing her a trip to jail. Don't turn your back on her though, crackheads are dangerous and fairly crazy.
That last sentence is sig worthy...I was fully expecting her to go crackhead on me but she just turned and walked away. Maybe if I wasn't 6'5" and 350lbs.....
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Should have told her you were in town for a contract, and if she doesn't be nice to you, you can include her in it for free. Then smile.
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