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Old 10-04-2012, 16:56   #126
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Seems our Super Patriots are in full melt down mode with 0bama losing the first debate.

Weird.
Don't you have some dogs to go shoot?
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Old 10-04-2012, 17:01   #127
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Don't you have some dogs to go shoot?
I dunno, he's sure found some SOB's to aim at around here.

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Old 10-04-2012, 17:04   #128
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So a reference to your own post of a couple of quotes of mine (neither of which mention Paul) grouped with a bunch of Paul guys' posts proves I'm a Paul guy?
You've been an admitted Paul supporter since at least March when Paul was still in the race.

From your Romney Needs to loose thread: It's locked so I can't quote it.

The entire exchange is there all 177 posts.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1427904
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Old 10-04-2012, 17:05   #129
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You've been fed a bunch of bunk by acujeff.
Yup, he and acujeff can now point to each other's "facts" as backup.
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Romney said that he wants to install socialized medicine through the states. Romney's idea is big government directed onto the states which is a far cry from states rights under the 10th Amendment. Nice try at spinning it though. He has also said that he would end obamacare, then he has said that he will keep parts of it, never mind all that though, he gave a good speech and you got a tingle up your leg.
Romney said he will keep "the part" of Obamacare. The mandated pre-existing condition coverage (along with the mandated buy-in). That he can now say in a debate that he'd repeal Obamacare, and anybody would believe him, is laughable.
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Old 10-04-2012, 17:05   #130
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Don't you have some dogs to go shoot?
I don't know about dogs, but when we can start shooting liberals I'm in.
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Old 10-04-2012, 17:08   #131
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I dunno, he's sure found some SOB's to aim at around here.


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I don't know about dogs, but when we can start shooting liberals I'm in.
Makes me fear for the future of this country just a little more every day.
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Old 10-04-2012, 17:18   #132
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You've been an admitted Paul supporter since at least March when Paul was still in the race.

From your Romney Needs to loose thread: It's locked so I can't quote it.

The entire exchange is there all 177 posts.

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That's BS. You can cut and paste. Show me.

Is it this one?
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No, what was the date on that post? I'm pretty sure it was long before Ron Paul evaporated from the race. If I was a Ron Paul supporter, I would've been supporting Ron Paul at the time.
ETA: Oh yeah, there's a link there: 03-09-2012. So there you go.

I like most of RP's ideas. Most of his ideas that I like aren't even really his, but simply libertarian principles. At the time of that post, and now, I believe it's more important to prevent the Republican party from straying even further from any sort of small-government platform than to expend effort worrying about Ron Paul. Voting Republican with the "warning" that big-government behavior won't be tolerated is a laughable fantasy. Only one currency matters: votes. Idle threats do not matter. Therefore I do what I can: vote against them.
Oh yeah, you got me! Sounds like the psychotic ramblings of a PaulBot!

Is that why you refused to quote anything? Because you found the opposite of what you claimed?
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Makes me fear for the future of this country just a little more every day.
You should be afraid. If the liberals keep forcing their will on people The People will eventually revolt. If a Conservative doesn't like something he doesn't do it. If a liberal doesn't like something he doesn't want anyone to do it. It's the difference between Freedom and Fascism.
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Old 10-04-2012, 17:26   #134
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It is time for a countrygun prediction



I will go out on a very solid limb here and I want those who disagree to PLEASE chime in so we can have your opinions preserved.


""Third parties will have one of the 2 lowest turnout percentages,(for third parties) in this election, of the last 40 years."
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That's BS. You can cut and paste. Show me.

Is it this one?Oh yeah, you got me! Sounds like the psychotic ramblings of a PaulBot!

Is that why you refused to quote anything? Because you found the opposite of what you claimed?
Fine.

Later on in the thread:
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My vote is a vote against Romney. The "two-party rule" says to vote against Romney, I need to vote for Obama. This is the exact same "two-party rule" that everybody else is citing in their intention to vote for Romney, even though they don't like him.

I'm not 100% behind Obama. I'm probably not even 5% behind him. I'm voting for him because I'm 0% behind Romney.

Any more smoking guns you got for me?
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I guess I wasn't clear.

The contradiction is that Obama is the very antithesis of everything Paul supporters say they believe, yet they are willing to vote for Obama, to teach a lesson, to effect change.

What is right is voting Obama out of office.
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Well thank you for dropping your flip-flop accusation and testifying to my consistency. You can also see now that it has nothing to do with bitterness about Ron Paul dropping out of the race.

If you want to treat the words "voter" and "supporter" as synonymous, then yes, your statement is correct. I've intended to vote for Obama ever since it became obvious who the Republican candidate would be. The reasons for my intent have been repeatedly and consistently explained.

You may not agree with them, but the purpose of publishing them is to encourage others with the same philosophy to do likewise. I did come to the realization that if I want somebody to lose, I should vote for the other person, as unpleasant a task as that is. To refuse to vote while still hoping for a certain outcome is wrong.

So to those who feel they're unable to bring themselves to vote for Obama, think again. If you really don't care who wins, then not voting is fine. But if you're rooting for one or the other, to either win or lose, consider that it is your duty to help make that outcome a reality.
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First you say you're Paul supporter, now you say are an Obama supporter, the very antithesis of Paul,- that is not consistancy, that's flip flopping. Then after admitting you're voting for Obama and admitting your Obama vote is to affect change in the GOP, you can't figure out why people think you are an Obama supporter, and the obsession with teaching a lesson.
You didn't deny being a Paul supporter then, now you're denying it?
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Old 10-04-2012, 17:37   #136
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You should be afraid. If the liberals keep forcing their will on people The People will eventually revolt. If a Conservative doesn't like something he doesn't do it. If a liberal doesn't like something he doesn't want anyone to do it. It's the difference between Freedom and Fascism.
I'd really be interested in reading some examples.

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I'd really be interested in reading some examples.
Why? So you can go run and hide like Flintlocker did when I start asking questions and back you into a corner. One of the things that make me laugh at liberals (at them not at what they are trying to accomplish) is they're all for making others do or stop doing but when it comes to them having to do or stop doing it's "hey, I have right's you know". I'm a Constitutionalists. Liberals only recolonize the parts of the Constitution that benefit them at the particular moment they need it to.

Example? Try Obomacare for one. The list is long.

Now if you need more of an explanation be prepared to answer some of my question and give me explanations. Be afraid! Be very afraid!
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Old 10-04-2012, 17:54   #138
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Here's where you're going wrong:
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"First you say you're Paul supporter, now you say are an Obama supporter, the very antithesis of Paul..."


You didn't deny being a Paul supporter then, now you're denying it?
You saying I'm a Paul supporter doesn't make me a Paul supporter. You linking back to a place where you say I'm a Paul supporter still doesn't make me a Paul supporter.

In that same thread I said "If I was a Ron Paul supporter, I would've been supporting Ron Paul at the time." Does that sound like a Paul supporter? No, it sounds like somebody denying he's a Paul supporter, so even in your fantasy land where not denying something is the same as admitting something, it wouldn't apply.

That thread is full of rabid people attack Paul supporters. Ron Paul wasn't even brought into that thread by a Paul supporter, but instead by somebody trying to lump everybody who doesn't vote for Romney together as Paul supporters:

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You guys have serious PaulBot-phobia. Not everything is about Ron Paul, and you guys make everything about Ron Paul far more than so-called "PaulBots' do.
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Old 10-04-2012, 18:30   #139
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Why? So you can go run and hide like Flintlocker did when I start asking questions and back you into a corner. One of the things that make me laugh at liberals (at them not at what they are trying to accomplish) is they're all for making others do or stop doing but when it comes to them having to do or stop doing it's "hey, I have right's you know". I'm a Constitutionalists. Liberals only recolonize the parts of the Constitution that benefit them at the particular moment they need it to.

Example? Try Obomacare for one. The list is long.

Now if you need more of an explanation be prepared to answer some of my question and give me explanations. Be afraid! Be very afraid!

Hmm. Seems like an awfully presumptive, defensive, and sharp response to what was a simple question. I'm sorry you seem to have an issue with another member. I don't recall having any interaction with you in the past. So ... bit surprised.

... and I'll try not to "run and hide", but I do have a job and require sleep, so no promises I will respond on your schedule (or that I won't get bored and go elsewhere).

So ... I'd be happy to answer questions. I haven't read one from you yet though (beyond "Why?"). Ask away. Otherwise ... I hope YOU don't "run and hide" from the question I posed to you already. Here it is again:

I'd really be interested in reading some examples.


PS - Trust me .. I'm not going to be "afraid". I enjoy it ... it is nice entertainment and stimulating to lounge w/ my laptop on the couch interacting and reading while watching the boobtube.

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For all those so impressed or pleased by Romney's performance I would reference a bit of Chris Rock. Warning, foul language and NSFW.


That was Romney in a nut shell tonight. Granted he put the whoop on Obama, but again how hard was to do given the circumstances.

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For all those so impressed or pleased by Romney's performance I would reference a bit of Chris Rock. Warning, foul language and NSFW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0B_ekSrsEk
LMAO ... you mean like him bragging that "his plan" will create 12 million new jobs in 4 years? Even though that is already the projection based on current policies.

Rick Scott did the same thing in 2010 FL Gov election.

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Hmm. Seems like an awfully presumptive, defensive, and sharp response to what was a simple question. I'm sorry you seem to have an issue with another member. I don't recall having any interaction with you in the past. So ... bit surprised.

... and I'll try not to "run and hide", but I do have a job and require sleep, so no promises I will respond on your schedule (or that I won't get bored and go elsewhere).

So ... I'd be happy to answer questions. I haven't read one from you yet though (beyond "Why?"). Ask away. Otherwise ... I hope YOU don't "run and hide" from the question I posed to you already. Here it is again:

I'd really be interested in reading some examples.


PS - Trust me .. I'm not going to be "afraid". I enjoy it ... it is nice entertainment and stimulating to lounge w/ my laptop on the couch interacting and reading while watching the boobtube.

Jerry is right.
The minute they get cornered by Federal law they yell "States rights, Big Brother get out of my way. It's up to my State". If they don't like the State law they yell "It's my Constitutional Right, Big Brother, butt in and see to it I get my way".
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Jerry is right.
The minute they get cornered by Federal law they yell "States rights, Big Brother get out of my way. It's up to my State". If they don't like the State law they yell "It's my Constitutional Right, Big Brother, butt in and see to it I get my way".
Kind of like how CCW people want the fed to mandate reciprocity?

And the "war on drugs" people want the fed to continue busting MJ clinics in states where they're legal?
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Kind of like how CCW people want the fed to mandate reciprocity?


The 2nd Amendment IS a Federal issue.

No Cigar. Fail

And the "war on drugs" people want the fed to continue busting MJ clinics in states where they're legal?

Or the people of a State voting to keep MJ illegal, and the dopers expecting the Fed to change it.

Fail again




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Hmm. Seems like an awfully presumptive, defensive, and sharp response to what was a simple question. I'm sorry you seem to have an issue with another member. I don't recall having any interaction with you in the past. So ... bit surprised.

... and I'll try not to "run and hide", but I do have a job and require sleep, so no promises I will respond on your schedule (or that I won't get bored and go elsewhere).

So ... I'd be happy to answer questions. I haven't read one from you yet though (beyond "Why?"). Ask away. Otherwise ... I hope YOU don't "run and hide" from the question I posed to you already. Here it is again:

I'd really be interested in reading some examples.


PS - Trust me .. I'm not going to be "afraid". I enjoy it ... it is nice entertainment and stimulating to lounge w/ my laptop on the couch interacting and reading while watching the boobtube.
Pardon my attitude (NOT!) but I've been debating with liberals for years and it always goes the same way. For "example". You asked for an example. I gave you and "example". You missed it! Or you chose to ignore it. Rather than accept or comment on my "example" you've choose to use the "You're such an "awfully presumptive" person opening. So to answer another of "your" questions... After years of dealing with liberals I found there is no such thing as reasoning so I just tell it like it is then after listening to them whine I give them facts and they come back with more emotional BS. So here we are!

And here's "MY" first question. If you read my post how did you miss my "EXAMPLE"?

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Pardon my attitude (NOT!) but I've been debating with liberals for years and it always goes the same way. For "example". You asked for an example. I gave you and "example". You missed it! Or you chose to ignore it. Rather than accept or comment on my "example" you've choose to use the "You're such an "awfully presumptive" person opening. So to answer another of "your" questions... After years of dealing with liberals I found there is no such thing as reasoning so I just tell it like it is then after listening to them whine I give them facts and they come back with more emotional BS. So here we are!

So ... your response to my request for examples of:

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... If a Conservative doesn't like something he doesn't do it. If a liberal doesn't like something he doesn't want anyone to do it.
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"Obomacare for one" ?
May I ask you to expand on that? Is it the mandate?

Are you just being coy? Would rather just seemingly play a game of "gotcha" where you are the winner in your own mind? Because that is what I think any credible, honest observer would conclude based on our exchange so far. I'm trying to engage you in a legitimate debate. If you don't want to, fine. I'll just conclude you can't support your own claims in any meaningful or coherent manner.

By the way, do you know what the root word "moderate" means from the word "moderator"? Because, while I certainly don't expect you to suspend your opinion in any way, I find my exchange with you highly ironic.

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So ... your response to my request for examples of:



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May I ask you to expand on that? Is it the mandate?

Are you just being coy? Would rather just seemingly play a game of "gotcha" where you are the winner in your own mind? Because that is what I think any credible, honest observer would conclude based on our exchange so far. I'm trying to engage you in a legitimate debate. If you don't want to, fine. I'll just conclude you can't support your own claims in any meaningful or coherent manner.

By the way, do you know what the root word "moderate" means from the word "moderator"? Because, while I certainly don't expect you to suspend your opinion in any way, I find my exchange with you highly ironic.
I’ll cover your last question first. I don’t moderate this forum. I am moderated the same as anyone else so I’m allowed to express my opinion the same as anyone else. Liberals just make me laugh sooooo much. They can’t stay on subject, they try to use anything they can to show superiority (yes I know what moderate means) and will use any trick in the book to try to “attack” the other person and draw attention away from their own inadequacy. You ARE living up to my expectation of a liberal.


As to the rest of your BS post. And it’s either BS or you are a complete idiot. I Answered the FIST PART HIGHLIGHTED IN YOUR POST. Post 136. You have highlighted “liberals keep forcing their will on people” You highlighted it! You posted in response..
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I'd really be interested in reading some examples.

You didn’t say you specifically didn’t want an answer to the VERY FIRST THING YOU HAD HIGHLIGHTED… so I answered it.


Now that you’ve proven to be a liberal without a clue hit me with your best shot because you sure haven’t done a very good job so far. You haven’t agreed with or disputed my EXAMPLE. You ask if it’s a mandate. Mandate or not what it is, IS liberals FORCING THEIR WILL ON OTHERS.

Now do you want to debate liberals forcing their will on other? Or do want to continue playing silly liberal games?

Edit: Just for grins and giggles. EXAMPLE of "If a liberal doesn't like something he doesn't want anyone to do it. It's the difference between Freedom and Fascism." Liberals want laws to limit or eliminate fatty food served in fast food places. If conservatives don't want fatty food they don't buy it.
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The 2nd Amendment IS a Federal issue.

No Cigar. Fail
It's the Feds job to override state laws on the one issue of CCW? Sounds like you're saying "It's my Constitutional Right, Big Brother, butt in and see to it I get my way".


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Or the people of a State voting to keep MJ illegal, and the dopers expecting the Fed to change it.

Fail again
You didn't actually address the scenario I put forth did you? I'm not saying Liberals don't play that game. I'm saying everybody does, including conservatives, including Republicans, and definitely including you.

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They can’t stay on subject, they try to use anything they can to show superiority ...
Hilarious, I'm trying desperately to get forthright, on subject answers from you ... and you post long obfuscated ad hom blanket attacks on me (without knowing me or engaging me in discussion previously) and "liberals" ... instead of engaging me on the topic. With that said ... I'll try to avoid being guilty of the same by not continuing on with the ancillary diversionary game. So ...

Your 50,000 foot, entirely vague response is in fact "Obomacare". OK. That is per my request for an example of your statement: "liberals keep forcing their will on people ". Pretty hard to respond to that unless you want an equally vague and 50,000 foot answer. Since you won't say what specifically beyond that though ... I'll have to infer it is the most common argument against it:

The mandate. How can the government force me to get insurance or pay a tax penalty (or tax ... whatever you want to call it).

Well ... interestingly enough ... the answer lies mostly within your own original argument ( "how can the liberals (in this case liberal policy) keep forcing their will on people"). I think it can best be illustrated by asking what happens when YOU (I'm speaking figuratively ... I don't know your specific situation) choose to not be insured? Do you think you can control when and where you have a major accident or illness? Do you think you can cover, out of pocket, the million dollars of medical bills (if you even live)? Who exactly has to pay for it when you don't? So ... YOUR choice (gamble) to not be insured, forces me to pay for YOU (in the form of higher direct costs and premiums). YOU are IMPACTING ME. People like you are "forcing their will on" ME. Do you see the irony with that ... when your complaint is ""liberals keep forcing their will on people "? The mandate is necessary to protect my rights and liberty. Without it, I will continue to pay for other peoples bad decisions.

The concept of liberty and life, as far as I'm concerned is: Do what you want, until/if you impact me (or prohibitively "society" in general). Then we have to have some rules.

I call that libertarian, you seem to want to call it "liberal" somehow.

So ... that addresses the mandate angle. It ain't perfect and I think better alternatives, but that is different subject. I hardly feel it is some infringement on my rights though, quite the opposite. It is stopping deadbeats from infringing on MY rights by CHOOSING not to insure themselves.

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Liberals want laws to limit or eliminate fatty food served in fast food places. If conservatives don't want fatty food they don't buy it.
I'm not going to address this in this post ... just simply to limit the scope of the discussion. I'll gladly address it separately later if you so desire (I'll try to make a note of it and be proactively respond later if we get to that point).

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What do conservatives do if they don't want marijuana?
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