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Old 11-23-2012, 01:50   #1
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Anoka County Judge John Dehen wants to carry gun at work (MN)

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Old 11-23-2012, 01:58   #2
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I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun in his court room.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:56   #3
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Perfectly legal here in FL.
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Old 11-23-2012, 15:12   #4
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Is he an anti-gun judge, BTW?
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I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun in his court room.
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I say go for it. Sounds legal and a great a plan.



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Old 11-24-2012, 17:18   #7
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If I had to deal with some of the folks the judge does, I'd carry too.
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hmmm, I don't recall the 2nd Amendment saying anything about only being allowed to keep and bear arms at certian times.
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hmmm, I don't recall the 2nd Amendment saying anything about only being allowed to keep and bear arms at certian times.
Everything in life has limits. The question is, what are they?

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Everything in life has limits. The question is, what are they?
The entire concept of our system is that we don't have any of our basic rights infringed upon unless we've shown just cause to justify it. Even then, a permanent or long term restriction of freedoms is supposed to require a unaminous verdict from our peers in a court of law.

If our right to be free of searches is to be violated then a judge is supposed to have been shown cause upon oath or affirmation. If a person has been convicted of a violent crime then that is the requirement to restrict access to the 2nd. It is never on the basis of a universal limit but based on personal actions that are as a result of wrong doing by the party in question.

If you've not done anything to justify a loss of liberty, other folks have no right to take it away. Now if the judge worked for a private business that didn't want guns on the property that would be different.

I'm stopping now, as the question indicates that the poster has no idea on how liberty and individualism works at all.
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Old 11-24-2012, 21:07   #13
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The entire concept of our system is that we don't have any of our basic rights infringed upon unless we've shown just cause to justify it. Even then, a permanent or long term restriction of freedoms is supposed to require a unaminous verdict from our peers in a court of law.

If our right to be free of UNREASONABLE searches is to be violated then a judge is supposed to have been shown cause upon oath or affirmation. If a person has been convicted of a violent crime then that is the requirement to restrict access to the 2nd. It is never on the basis of a universal limit but based on personal actions that are as a result of wrong doing by the party in question.

If you've not done anything to justify a loss of liberty, other folks have no right to take it away. Now if the judge worked for a private business that didn't want guns on the property that would be different.

I'm stopping now, as the question indicates that the poster has no idea on how liberty and individualism works at all.
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Yes exactly, unreasonable unless upon probable cause. That means unless a person has done something or someone else swears that they have and spells out the exact details, there is no reason to issue a warrant. The Constitution was written in clear language so even the most simple could understand their rights.
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Old 11-24-2012, 22:55   #15
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Yes exactly, unreasonable unless upon probable cause. That means unless a person has done something or someone else swears that they have and spells out the exact details, there is no reason to issue a warrant. The Constitution was written in clear language so even the most simple could understand their rights.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The above also does not say a warrant is needed for a search. Merely that no warrant shall be issued that lacks PC, Oath, and description.
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Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The above also does not say a warrant is needed for a search. Merely that no warrant shall be issued that lacks PC, Oath, and description.
A warrant is the writ that allows an otherwise illegal violation to take place. Get a dictionary, you're making yourself look bad.
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Here, if you can't be troubled to read maybe Judge Nap can spell it out for you.

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There are many searches and or seizures that require no warrant.

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Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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Like when a cop comes to your house for a noise complaint, looks in your window and sees a bong on your table, he is allowed entrance into your home, without a warrant, to seize the bong.
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Like when a cop comes to your house for a noise complaint, looks in your window and sees a bong on your table, he is allowed entrance into your home, without a warrant, to seize the bong.
The LEO shouldn't be able to legally seize the bong without warrant unless there is some other reason to believe it's been used with controlled substances. There is nothing illegal about having a water pipe for tobacco in any state I am aware of.
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Perfectly legal here in FL.
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(5) (a) The following persons, if they hold a license to carry a concealed deadly weapon pursuant to KRS 237.110, may carry a firearm or other concealed deadly weapon on or about their persons at all times and at all locations within the Commonwealth of Kentucky, without any limitation other than as provided in this subsection:
1. A Commonwealth's attorney or assistant Commonwealth's attorney;
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A warrant is the writ that allows an otherwise illegal violation to take place. Get a dictionary, you're making yourself look bad.
Like he said, there are many searches that are reasonable without a warrant and the constitution has never required a warrant for all searches.
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Like he said, there are many searches that are reasonable without a warrant and the constitution has never required a warrant for all searches.
No, you think that searches without warrants are OK. If the state is free to search you without a warrant, what is the point in the 4th Amendment?
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No, you think that searches without warrants are OK. If the state is free to search you without a warrant, what is the point in the 4th Amendment?
To protect you from UNREASONABLE searches, not ALL searches.
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No, you think that searches without warrants are OK. If the state is free to search you without a warrant, what is the point in the 4th Amendment?
Like we just told you, the 4th amendment does not say a warrant is required and never, in the entire history of the 4th amendment, has it been interpreted to mean that. It's not my opinion, it's the opinion of the U.S. Supreme Court, every federal court and every state court in the U.S.

The point of the 4th amendment is exactly what it says - to prevent "unreasonable searches" not all warrantless searches.
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