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Old 10-09-2012, 18:58   #151
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I'm not anti open carry. I am anti stupidity, and this mess is stupidity.
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Old 10-09-2012, 19:02   #152
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However even when they were carrying cameras they were still within the confines of the law and were still accosted. Yeah the attitude could have been fixed but being a dick isn't against the law.
accostedpast participle, past tense of ac·cost (Verb)

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  • Approach and address (someone) boldly or aggressively.
  • Approach (someone) with hostility or harmful intent.
I do not think that word means what you think it does.
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Old 10-09-2012, 19:11   #153
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With the number of staged OC confrontations in the last year, it makes me wonder how long until they round a corner and surprise the wrong citizen(s), or they get rolled by some thugs, and get killed.

Remember the two idiots running around on the street corner with a replica RPG. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1dd_1...642&comments=1

Really, what's the difference between the two.
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Old 10-09-2012, 19:22   #154
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With the number of staged OC confrontations in the last year, it makes me wonder how long until they round a corner and surprise the wrong citizen(s), or they get rolled by some thugs, and get killed.
At least they'll have their own deaths on camera...

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Remember the two idiots running around on the street corner with a replica RPG. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1dd_1...642&comments=1

Really, what's the difference between the two.
These idiots keep this crap up and I'm going to lose my right to wander around in a sheet carrying a fake RPG....

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Old 10-09-2012, 19:39   #155
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Because they're *********s, that's why.


For the record -

Nowhere in the Constitution is it written that one must be an absolute ******* in order to exercise one's right guaranteed under that document. Too many people, including a number on this board, feel that confrontation is in order, merely to make themselves feel good about carrying a gun. They think, "Man, I really showed that jack booted thug, pig of a cop" when acting like an immature child.

Further, those same *******s get all upset about a cop getting a bit nasty during an encounter, also forgetting that the Constitution doesn't specify that law enforcement officers must be polite all the time.

*******s, I tell ya.

I do think this cop was pretty professional but I also think there is nothing in the Constitution that the kids have to be polite either. You forget it goes both ways.
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Old 10-09-2012, 20:05   #156
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I do think this cop was pretty professional but I also think there is nothing in the Constitution that the kids have to be polite either. You forget it goes both ways.
I think you missed the point. At least from an leo's point of view.
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Old 10-09-2012, 20:06   #157
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I do think this cop was pretty professional but I also think there is nothing in the Constitution that the kids have to be polite either. You forget it goes both ways.
Unfortunately, many of us are reminded daily. Where wprebeck works, he is probably reminded hourly.
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Old 10-09-2012, 20:37   #158
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OC Idiot/Street Lawyer: "Under ORS 166.xxx it's illegal for me to possess it and handle it..."

Officer: "No it's not."


Gentlemen, school is in session.


I'll admit, I looked further at his videos (no idea why, maybe because I'm curious as to what my fellow Oregonians are up to), but his interaction with Bend PD was even better.

You thought the OP's video was professional, Bend PD's performances was spectacular, and the officer even suggested that he consider "the other ramifications of [his] actions." Really well done.
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Old 10-09-2012, 21:28   #159
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I looked at the video. To me it looks like younguns going out for attention seeking. They got their attention from a professional who was being professional. Admittedly I have seen worse on YouTube.
Really, I haven't been on YouTube tons but that's at the top of my "dumbest things to do" list... Those kids are displaying total disrespect for the slain victims and they're families, not to mention their community... and they're doing nothing for the 2nd amendment.
I mean what's the copper supposed to do, just ignore everyone he sees strolling down the street with a rifle (be it an AR or a muzzleloader).
This is ricockulous.
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Old 10-09-2012, 22:07   #160
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Really, I haven't been on YouTube tons but that's at the top of my "dumbest things to do" list... Those kids are displaying total disrespect for the slain victims and they're families, not to mention their community... and they're doing nothing for the 2nd amendment.
I mean what's the copper supposed to do, just ignore everyone he sees strolling down the street with a rifle (be it an AR or a muzzleloader).
This is ricockulous.
I hear you. Carrying openly in some places has a price to pay. The price is being looked at, especially when one is going about with cameras and looking for confrontations. The larger overall price is how it may ultimately affect a people group for the long term.

Thankfully in Kansas we have the right to conceal carry on a permit, and the right to open carry in public. Even cities where they would rather not have open carry happen will have to bend to the state laws concerning that, or face court, and extra money spent that they would not have to spend. I conceal carry, and I have been told by a LEO working for LVN that we can open carry no problem in LVN.
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Old 10-09-2012, 22:13   #161
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The post has poorly presented sarcasm/irony on my part. If you look at the vid, you will see a cool-cucumber cop professionally dealing with a couple of open carriers who were looking for LEO confrontations.

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Old 10-09-2012, 22:13   #162
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Dude, I would so take him up on his offer to let me check out his SBR Full-auto rifle. These guys are idjits for wasting as much time as they did.

If cops all across the country started offering to let open carriers handle their toys there would be an explosion of open carry!
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Old 10-09-2012, 22:26   #163
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Question for cops dealing with OCs. (Cops only, please!)

If you approached an OC while responding to a MWAG report, and the OCer says in a respectful tone of voice, something like, "Sir, I understand your concerns and need to investigate. With that in mind, I'm not looking for trouble. If I may point out that open carry is lawful. That said, how can I help you?"

This is a two parter: 1st one, there is no recording. 2nd one, there is recording, but the OCer says (again, in a respectful tone of voice) something like, "I do want to be upfront and let you know that I'm recording.
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Old 10-09-2012, 22:41   #164
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Question for cops dealing with OCs. (Cops only, please!)

If you approached an OC while responding to a MWAG report, and the OCer says in a respectful tone of voice, something like, "Sir, I understand your concerns and need to investigate. With that in mind, I'm not looking for trouble. If I may point out that open carry is lawful. That said, how can I help you?"

This is a two parter: 1st one, there is no recording. 2nd one, there is recording, but the OCer says (again, in a respectful tone of voice) something like, "I do want to be upfront and let you know that I'm recording.
Here in Ohio, open carry is not unlawful per se. We get a few people here and there open carrying on their property or what have you, that's never bothered me. Here it is almost an absolute that their are guns EVERYWHERE.

I've went to several homes for calls of service and end up with a show and tell from the homeowner. There's some cool stuff here.

Open carrying an AR or something of that nature in a shopping center parking lot will get you a second and closer look, likely due to this:

2917.11 Disorderly conduct.
(A) No person shall recklessly cause inconvenience, annoyance, or alarm to another by doing any of the following:

(5) Creating a condition that is physically offensive to persons or that presents a risk of physical harm to persons or property, by any act that serves no lawful and reasonable purpose of the offender.

No lawful or reasonable purpose of the offender.

What exactly is your lawful and reasonable purpose to carry an assault rifle in a parking lot or what have you?

Yes, I understand your second amendment rights and all that. Mama and her two little kids don't deserve to see that when they go to the McDonald's play place.

This has been discussed at length with supervisors and our prosecutors, each of them, given the circumstances, would have no issue with an arrest under those circumstances.


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Old 10-09-2012, 22:53   #165
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Wear as many guns as you want, wear them concealed the way it should be done.
Good advice. Please understand that I think OC is a bad idea, even if the law of the area permits it.

I should have added to the question, open carry is legal in your neck of the woods.

I compare OCers to the assorted conspiracy theorists. The 1st Amendment protects the right to be an idjit, but that does not make being an idjit a good idea.
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:10   #166
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Question for cops dealing with OCs. (Cops only, please!)

If you approached an OC while responding to a MWAG report, and the OCer says in a respectful tone of voice, something like, "Sir, I understand your concerns and need to investigate. With that in mind, I'm not looking for trouble. If I may point out that open carry is lawful. That said, how can I help you?"

This is a two parter: 1st one, there is no recording. 2nd one, there is recording, but the OCer says (again, in a respectful tone of voice) something like, "I do want to be upfront and let you know that I'm recording.
There's no need to tell the cop OC is legal. He/she almost guaranteed knows better in that regard than the activist.
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:41   #167
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There's no need to tell the cop OC is legal. He/she almost guaranteed knows better in that regard than the activist.
Probably not.
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Question for cops dealing with OCs. (Cops only, please!)

If you approached an OC while responding to a MWAG report, and the OCer says in a respectful tone of voice, something like, "Sir, I understand your concerns and need to investigate. With that in mind, I'm not looking for trouble. If I may point out that open carry is lawful. That said, how can I help you?"

This is a two parter: 1st one, there is no recording. 2nd one, there is recording, but the OCer says (again, in a respectful tone of voice) something like, "I do want to be upfront and let you know that I'm recording.
I couldn't care less whether I was being recorded or not, or whether they told me. I don't typically tell people I am recording them.

To expand a little on Ohio Copper's response. Ohio law also allows us to identify people when conducting an investigation. So, whether it is "reasonable, articulable suspicion," or an actual complaint I guarantee that at the very least I will know whether they have entered warrants, or a Civil Protection Order precluding them from possessing firearms.

This is probably why you don't see many of these type of videos from our state.
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The officer was extremely professional to this bunch of internet attorneys.
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Probably not.
Why are you here again? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and have demonstrated it twice in this thread alone.
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Why are you here again? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and have demonstrated it twice in this thread alone.
Didn't you know? Give an "activist" an internet connection, and Google, and suddenly they're a law expert.

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Why are you here again? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and have demonstrated it twice in this thread alone.
How so?

Just because a person is a cop doesn't make them a walking law book. I've met my fair share of LEOs that have a very thin knowledge of laws basically enough to get the job done. I had LEOs in North Carolina when I was stationed there straight tell me that it's illegal to OC anywhere in the state

As for the Texas ID law I quoted actual Texas law straight from the Penal Code and no where did it say I had to provide an ID card It simply stated I had to provide the info of Name, DOB, and Address to an officer didn't say I had to provide a card to do so.
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The post has poorly presented sarcasm/irony on my part. If you look at the vid, you will see a cool-cucumber cop professionally dealing with a couple of open carriers who were looking for LEO confrontations.
Ah. I smell what you are cooking now. Unfortunately, a great many people simply don't understand.
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I do believe the 3 OC desperados have a future with the Karsashians, or MTV's the Real Putz World.

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HAHA I agree with that. The 3 kids= ******rs. Not illegal but they were. Cop=very professional and I liked his knowledge of the laws.

But there are times where cops are ******rs too. It happens.
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