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Old 10-07-2012, 18:03   #1
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Romney will sign an assault weapons ban.

I just want to make sure this is absolutely clear.
Romney says if he is elected he will sign an assault weapons ban if one is brought to him. Just like george bush said he would. The republican party is not really pro-second amendment. The guy who is in favor of an assault weapons ban is the guy who will be picking supreme court justices.
Better than the dems? Sure, but not much.
I'll be voting for a guy and party that does not really support the second amendment.
I wish people would stop pretending republicans are pro-second amendment.
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Old 10-07-2012, 18:09   #2
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Romney is still a better choice than Obama.

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Old 10-07-2012, 18:10   #3
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So every four years you can vote for a liberal of one flavor or another, or you can help support a third party, showing the Republicans why they deserve to lose, and actually start making a difference in the long term.
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I want to vote 3rd party this time, but my priority is getting the terrorist out of the White House. Next time I'll vote 3rd party for sure.


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Old 10-07-2012, 18:18   #5
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Given Obama's appointee Holder and his words on the topic when speaking for the Administration I find no difference.



"On February 25, 2009 newly sworn-in Attorney General Eric Holder repeated the Obama administration's desire to reinstate the Federal Assault Weapons Ban.[18] The mention came in response to a question, about 20 minutes into a joint press conference with DEA Acting Administrator Michele Leonhart, discussing efforts to crack down on Mexican drug cartels. Attorney General Holder said: "[...] there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons."[19]"

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Since that clearly illustrates the current Administration's well known attitude I can only conclude that the OP of this thread is just another 3rd party Wanker.
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Old 10-07-2012, 18:22   #6
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So every four years you can vote for a liberal of one flavor or another, or you can help support a third party, showing the Republicans why they deserve to lose, and actually start making a difference in the long term.
You can vote for 3rd party if you want to. It isn't going to make any difference either way. You are mistaken if you think the rest of the republicans are going to pay attention to you.
The republicans want the president to be somebody who is not pro-second amendment. They do not hold the same views as you. Leaving a party where you are not wanted is not going to make them feel bad.
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Old 10-07-2012, 18:23   #7
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I did not support him in the primaries due to a couple of reasons - this was one. However, he will not compromise his base. He's smart enough to understand that would end it for his political future.

Contrast that with Obama who has tried to backdoor restricting gun rights with his EPA nazis and other means. His base wants no part of the 2A. In a second term, Obama will pursue many objectives that were too controversial for the first term. I'm convinced that attacking gun rights is near the top of his list.

As for the third party issue...again. The time to fight for your viable independent candidate has come & gone. The reality is that the race is between two. One of them is the radical incumbent who will win unless the challenger gets enough votes. A vote for any candidate other than Romney will help Obama. Yea, it's a tough pill to swallow...but that's the choices.
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What is the purpose of your post op? To get people to vote for Obama? To get people to waste their vote for a third party and in act vote for Obama? To bad mouth Romney?

I am asking as a libertarian since 1984, who voted Obama in by voting for Ron Paul in 2008. By voting third party you vote for Obama. The choice is quite clear this go around.
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Old 10-07-2012, 18:29   #9
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berry & his`implanted lemming fools` throughout the gov. are destroying the country....first things first!

Not worried about Romney.....`or` even the closet liberals/Lemmings attacking him.....
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Old 10-07-2012, 18:31   #10
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I wish people would stop pretending republicans are pro-second amendment.
I wish you Obama supporters would stop posting ancient videos of another time, another place and another election.

In the current era, he has committed to Uncle Ted, no less, that he will sign no antigun legislation.

So take your fail propaganda elsewhere.

He was being interviewed by Tim Russert, for gods sake! ( Dead more than 4 years ago!)
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So every four years you can vote for a liberal of one flavor or another, or you can help support a third party, showing the Republicans why they deserve to lose, and actually start making a difference in the long term.
As someone who is active in my local REC (Republican Executive Committee), let me tell you that those of you who are voting 3rd party and dropping out of the GOP aren't showing the party jack, and the ONLY difference you will make is to help the candidate furthest from your views.

Let me explain reality.

The party, if all of the Libertarians, Constitution Party, and conservative Independents got involved, would be about 35-40% conservatives, about 25% big government RINOs (the ones we mostly hate that are fine with big, intrusive government as long as they are the ones running it) and about 35-40% "moderate" Republicans. When all the conservatives get their panties in a twist and go off to be independents and Libertarians and "teach the Republican Party a lesson", here is what happens. The party is made of of less conservatives, the moderates split among multiple candidates, and the RINOs can win the primaries with 25% of the vote. As a party, the GOP doesn't say, "Gosh, how can we get the conservatives back." Instead they say, "Gosh, how can we attract moderate Independents and Democrats."

You want to make a difference? The get back in the game and encourage conservative candidates to run, then vote for them in the primary. The party doesn't choose the candidates, the voters do. When conservatives abandon the party or don't vote in the primaries because they have better things to do, the moderates and RINOs pick the candidate. It's that simple.

Or you can keep whining and ensure the election of the candidate MOST diametrically opposed to your views because the candidate closer to your views is "the lesser of two evils".

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We pioneer Libertarians, once had the idea that we could change things, that if enough of us made a stand we could rid the government of the established ruling elite and get back to the constitution.

I still believe that. But to hold fast to that belief and vote for a party that can't possibly win in this election, shows that our party is just as bad and ideologue as the others.

The greater good FOR THE COUNTRY dictates we remove the worst of the two then get back to our constitutional message.

To think this is the election to change all is blind to the needs of change in our country.
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Old 10-07-2012, 18:52   #13
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OBE explained it very well from the political stand point and CFN explained it from the practical standpoint.

There is NO argument left folks, only self-delusion.
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What is the purpose of your post op? To get people to vote for Obama? To get people to waste their vote for a third party and in act vote for Obama? To bad mouth Romney?

I am asking as a libertarian since 1984, who voted Obama in by voting for Ron Paul in 2008. By voting third party you vote for Obama. The choice is quite clear this go around.
Voting for romney is voting to have a president who supports an assault weapons ban, that is my only point.
Is there a better option? No.
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The Obama will give us sharia law.
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I wish you Obama supporters would stop posting ancient videos of another time, another place and another election.
Beat me to it...thanks!
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The second amendment won't even matter if Obama gets another 4 years.
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Voting for romney is voting to have a president who supports an assault weapons ban, that is my only point.
Is there a better option? No.
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I agree. But you an I are severely outvoted.
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It will always be "THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF ALL TIME." Every time.
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The best way to assure we keep our 2A rights intact is to support the gun lobbies that controls the Congress.

The President doesn't make laws, he just signs them.
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I agree. But you an I are severely outvoted.
By who? Consider the amount of liberal operatives here for these few months. Then consider the teat sucking lazy class who are so wrapped up in Honey Boo Boo and who dances with what stars.

This is the first of many defining votes that will lead to change. Positive change.
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By who? Consider the amount of liberal operatives here for these few months. Then consider the teat sucking lazy class who are so wrapped up in Honey Boo Boo and who dances with what stars.

This is the first of many defining votes that will lead to change. Positive change.
Just lay aside the recokulous notion of a their party win in this election and examine what a Romney victory could mean for "conservatives".

Now there are more folks on the left putting the stamp of Conservative on Romney than there are libertarians (or whatever they are this week) saying he isn't.

If Romney wins and manages to make things even a bit better in this Country (hard to do worse) those who have listened to the left migh just get a softer view of what they call "conservatism" something like "Gee Romney isn't so bad this Conservative thing turned some of the problems around".

It sure is a better picture than another 4 of Obama.

Play it smart and position yourself to take some little sliver of the the good if Romney succeeds. If Obama wins and thereis any way, the third party will take the blame. Simply history repeating itself another time.
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Picture a block party.


Conservatives and libertarians are cousins. Republicans are the relatives at the party. Democrats are the drunk brother in laws. Liberals are the envious neighbors who want to call the cops because the party is too much fun. Socialists are the child molesting clown hired for the party who needs the beat down.
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