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Old 10-07-2012, 19:11   #21
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It will always be "THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF ALL TIME." Every time.
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Old 10-07-2012, 19:11   #22
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The best way to assure we keep our 2A rights intact is to support the gun lobbies that controls the Congress.

The President doesn't make laws, he just signs them.
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Old 10-07-2012, 19:12   #23
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I agree. But you an I are severely outvoted.
By who? Consider the amount of liberal operatives here for these few months. Then consider the teat sucking lazy class who are so wrapped up in Honey Boo Boo and who dances with what stars.

This is the first of many defining votes that will lead to change. Positive change.
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Old 10-07-2012, 19:22   #24
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By who? Consider the amount of liberal operatives here for these few months. Then consider the teat sucking lazy class who are so wrapped up in Honey Boo Boo and who dances with what stars.

This is the first of many defining votes that will lead to change. Positive change.
Just lay aside the recokulous notion of a their party win in this election and examine what a Romney victory could mean for "conservatives".

Now there are more folks on the left putting the stamp of Conservative on Romney than there are libertarians (or whatever they are this week) saying he isn't.

If Romney wins and manages to make things even a bit better in this Country (hard to do worse) those who have listened to the left migh just get a softer view of what they call "conservatism" something like "Gee Romney isn't so bad this Conservative thing turned some of the problems around".

It sure is a better picture than another 4 of Obama.

Play it smart and position yourself to take some little sliver of the the good if Romney succeeds. If Obama wins and thereis any way, the third party will take the blame. Simply history repeating itself another time.
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Old 10-07-2012, 19:30   #25
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Picture a block party.


Conservatives and libertarians are cousins. Republicans are the relatives at the party. Democrats are the drunk brother in laws. Liberals are the envious neighbors who want to call the cops because the party is too much fun. Socialists are the child molesting clown hired for the party who needs the beat down.
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Old 10-07-2012, 19:34   #26
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Just lay aside the recokulous notion of a their party win in this election and examine what a Romney victory could mean for "conservatives".

Now there are more folks on the left putting the stamp of Conservative on Romney than there are libertarians (or whatever they are this week) saying he isn't.

If Romney wins and manages to make things even a bit better in this Country (hard to do worse) those who have listened to the left migh just get a softer view of what they call "conservatism" something like "Gee Romney isn't so bad this Conservative thing turned some of the problems around".

It sure is a better picture than another 4 of Obama.

Play it smart and position yourself to take some little sliver of the the good if Romney succeeds. If Obama wins and thereis any way, the third party will take the blame. Simply history repeating itself another time.
Very possibly the end of the republican party.
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Old 10-07-2012, 19:36   #27
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The second amendment won't even matter if Obama gets another 4 years.
Nor the rest of the constitution that he blatantly ignores now....

Beware his own words :"This is my last election; after November I'll have more flexibility".
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Old 10-07-2012, 19:39   #28
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I'd be willing to bet that he does NOT sign an assault weapons ban. Any takers?
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Old 10-07-2012, 19:39   #29
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What is the purpose of your post op? To get people to vote for Obama? To get people to waste their vote for a third party and in act vote for Obama? To bad mouth Romney?

I am asking as a libertarian since 1984, who voted Obama in by voting for Ron Paul in 2008. By voting third party you vote for Obama. The choice is quite clear this go around.
I think you called it out very accurately here.

Here's another thought. I really don't think Romney is interested in pursuing more anti-2nd amendment laws, BUT if he is...

He'll still need to focus first on MANY other issues that are more important. The economy, healthcare, the middle east, the national debt...

Only an idiot would take the Presidency at this point and use all his energy to install pet legislation; like Obamacare for instance.

Given all that, I STILL don't think Romney has any plans to beat down the second amendment. I guess the first indication will be after he is elected; if he keeps Eric Holder as Attorney General.
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if he keeps Eric Holder as Attorney General.
My thought... not a chance.

MOST ALL ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGES INVOLVE MAJOR CHANGES AT THE TOP LEVEL AND OUTSPOKEN SUB LEVELS ARE REMOVED.
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Old 10-07-2012, 20:16   #31
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As much as I hate lobbying, it is the lobbyists who lobby the members of the House Representatives and the Senate who make the most difference. Once a politician goes national, he will not like the 2nd Ammendment but will respond to members of his party who pressure him because they are vulnerable to their own constituencies.

This is all obvious and known by everybody here, but sometimes gun owners kid themselves into thinking that any president is happy about having a lot of free-thinking gun-owners who theoretically ultimately pose a threat to his position of power.
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Old 10-07-2012, 20:19   #32
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NRA endorsed Romney. They wouldn't have done that without assurances.

But... I don't expect anything to be given to us. We will need to hold the Republican's feet to the fire. What will we do if Obama is reelected? Who's feet will we hold to the fire.
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By who? Consider the amount of liberal operatives here for these few months. Then consider the teat sucking lazy class who are so wrapped up in Honey Boo Boo and who dances with what stars.

This is the first of many defining votes that will lead to change. Positive change.
I voted for a pro-constitution guy in the republican primary, I'll bet you did too. It was made clear that the republican party has no interest in such people.
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Old 10-07-2012, 20:21   #34
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Voting for romney is voting to have a president who supports an assault weapons ban, that is my only point..
And that point is wrong. Incorrect.

He may have at one time, but does no longer and has said as much.

So your entire post is a fail. Stop parroting a lie.
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Old 10-07-2012, 20:33   #36
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And that point is wrong. Incorrect.

He may have at one time, but does no longer and has said as much.

So your entire post is a fail. Stop parroting a lie.
Find a link; where has Mittens said that signing the MA AWB was a mistake?

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I'd be willing to bet that he does NOT sign an assault weapons ban. Any takers?
I'd take that. Mittens will reverse himself again the moment it becomes politically advantageous for him to do so. Say for instance that the polling on gun control flips.

He's done it before there's no reason to believe that he wouldn't do it again.
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Find a link; where has Mittens said that signing the MA AWB was a mistake?.
Either learn to read or pay attention.
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Old 10-07-2012, 20:49   #38
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Find a link; where has Mittens said that signing the MA AWB was a mistake?



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Find a link and show me that the state legislature didn't have enough votes to override a veto.

Show me a link that proves he didn't cooperate in exchange for having some of the more onerous parts removed.

Show me a sign that you have read any of the posts in theis forum that have addressed this,....wait...don't. I'd rather think you are ignorant than spinning up something you know is false.
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I'd be willing to bet that he does NOT sign an assault weapons ban. Any takers?

...And that would be predicated on the assumption that an assault weapons bill even reaches President Romney's desk in the first place.

Coupled with the NRA's endorsement of Romney, I find him a safe bet not to mess with the 2A (even excluding the other all-important consideration of the nomination of conservative SCOTUS judges).


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...And that would be predicated on the assumption that an assault weapons bill even reaches President Romney's desk in the first place.

Coupled with the NRA's endorsement of Romney, I find him a safe bet not to mess with the 2A (even excluding the other all-important consideration of the nomination of conservative SCOTUS judges).


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Add to it Obama "will have more flexibility after the election"

and Romney would be trying to be set up for a second term.
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