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Old 10-08-2012, 17:44   #41
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Let Turkey go it alone. We couldn't even transport troops through their country when we invaded Iraq.
They're part of NATO, we wouldn't have much of a choice if they ask for our assistance.
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Old 10-08-2012, 17:51   #42
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We can pay off our debt by selling captured Middle East oil fields, seizing the multi-billion dollar bank accounts of anti-American trouble makers who fund terrorist groups, and by charging other countries when we free them from Islamic domination.

War can be very profitable.

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Certainly there is a way to make this work.


Nuke their ass, and TAKE their gas! Selling it away to a low, fast bidder is the American way.
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Old 10-08-2012, 18:25   #43
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Supplying arms...within reason, I have no issues. Assad as been a PITA for us and others. I think a little payback is justified.
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Old 10-08-2012, 18:34   #44
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They're part of NATO, we wouldn't have much of a choice if they ask for our assistance.
Then why didn't they have to cooperate with us when we invaded Iraq?
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Old 10-08-2012, 18:40   #45
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Then why didn't they have to cooperate with us when we invaded Iraq?
That was under a UN resolution, not a NATO resolution. Good question though. Seems it's "flexible" whenever they deem it so.

Can you imagine if Turkey had gone hot with Israel over the Gaza aid boat incident? Oh the neocon exploding heads all around....
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Old 10-08-2012, 18:53   #46
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id say give small arms and such and let em slaughter each other. No sams or anything, we want our planes to annihale the winner easily
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Old 10-08-2012, 19:16   #47
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Then why didn't they have to cooperate with us when we invaded Iraq?
It's a mutual defense setup not mutual offense, unless there's a NATO resolution. Even then, countries can be exempted if deemed necessary. Don't get me wrong, though, I'm no fan of Turkey, particularly since it's been quietly radicalizing for the past few years and is probably going to be a problem in the near future.
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Old 10-08-2012, 19:59   #48
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It's a mutual defense setup not mutual offense, unless there's a NATO resolution. Even then, countries can be exempted if deemed necessary. Don't get me wrong, though, I'm no fan of Turkey, particularly since it's been quietly radicalizing for the past few years and is probably going to be a problem in the near future.
So we could sit it out and let Turkey deal with it.
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Old 10-08-2012, 20:07   #49
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a different take on an age old question: If Syria attacks Turkey from the rear, will Greece help?
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Old 10-08-2012, 20:09   #50
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Arm the rebels just enough to match Iranian and Russian armament, but stay out of there. .
Mr. brilliant diplomat, what would you say, (if russians, after watching this intrusion in their area, would start support, for example, mexican rebels, or whoever around the USA), except: "You not suppose to do it to us, it's not fare!"
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So we could sit it out and let Turkey deal with it.
If Syrians keep attacking Turkey and it declares those actions as a declaration of war against it, then it could invoke the mutual defense clause of NATO.
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Old 10-08-2012, 20:19   #53
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Mr. brilliant diplomat, what would you say, (if russians, after watching this intrusion in their area, would start support, for example, mexican rebels, or whoever around the USA), except: "You not suppose to do it to us, it's not fare!"
We could then arm the Mexican government to counter the rebels, assuming that the Russians were once again supporting a widely condemned entity.

The Arab League doesn't support aiding Assad. The UN doesn't. Europe doesn't. The US doesn't. Have you considered that there's a reason why so many don't?
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We could then arm the Mexican government to counter the rebels, assuming that the Russians were once again supporting a widely condemned entity.
Then we'd act surprised when the Mexicans start shooting at Americans. Oh wait, we already tried that. It was called Fast and Furious.

Let's keep arming our enemies then act surprised when it comes back to bite us! Like always....

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The Arab League doesn't support aiding Assad. The UN doesn't. Europe doesn't. The US doesn't. Have you considered that there's a reason why so many don't?
Easy. All those above organizations are working together in an effort to take over Iran's resources and economy. All are under Western central bank control, while Syria and Iran are not and Syria is an Iranian ally.

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Old 10-08-2012, 21:14   #55
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OK, it's time,

"If Syria attacks Turkey from behind, will Greece help?
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:40   #56
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Poking your head in the sand and hoping for the best does not work. We, as a nation, have not been smart about where we get involved and to the extent that we get commit when we do get involved. There's a balance that we've failed to achieve in a long time...including before Obama.

Syria is an enemy of the US. There's merit to making Assad's life more challenging there by providing small arms to his enemies. You achieve a couple of goals. You help increase the possibility that he will not have a long future and you distract his resources such that they cannot focus their disruptive efforts elsewhere.

As for Russia playing in our sandbox, they have been and are continuing to do so. There was a time when Russia offering nuclear technology in our hemisphere would have been intolerable...even for a democrat. Yet now, they have free reign as part of Obama's continued efforts to diminish the "super power" status of our country.

Yes, you have to be careful on how you many foreign relations & involvement. It's not black & white. Arming the Mexican army, for example, would be a mistake. Arming and training the Afghan police is a mistake...we should have gone in & out and returned to neutralize as required. Instead we tried to build a "flourishing democracy" in a region that wants no part of our way of life, which is fine. However they were involved in providing a safe place for terrorists to conduct their business and should have paid the price for that...which they did.
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Old 10-26-2012, 10:01   #57
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" The opposition recently warned in the form of an ultimatum, that soon may join the terrorist group "Al Qaeda" in the fight against al-Assad, if they would not receive material help, AFP told, referring to the rebel commander in Aleppo Abu Ammar."
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Hmmm... What to do, what to do.... Help must be provided! And to "Al Qaeda" also. Well, why do the same job twice?
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Old 10-26-2012, 14:19   #58
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" The opposition recently warned in the form of an ultimatum, that soon may join the terrorist group "Al Qaeda" in the fight against al-Assad, if they would not receive material help, AFP told, referring to the rebel commander in Aleppo Abu Ammar."
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Hmmm... What to do, what to do.... Help must be provided! And to "Al Qaeda" also. Well, why do the same job twice?
Well, since their dream is to reach Paradise, I suggest we do what we can to make the dream come true for as many of them as possible. We should arm the underdog to keep them busy fighting amongst themselves and thereby help as many as possible reach Paradise.
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Old 10-26-2012, 15:16   #59
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Isn't the current administration already running guns to the Syrian rebels?


...I believe they are.
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We need to go into the Middle East with a heavy hand, before Iran unites them all into an Islamic nuclear power super state, that threatens the entire world.

If we go in full force now we can win, as opposed to waiting until they are united, stronger and have nukes.

It's time for the tenth Holy Crusade....
How you propose we pay for it?
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