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Old 10-10-2012, 13:51   #101
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There is a little flaw in your project there, Skeeter.

The people you speak of have an opportunity to choose their representation. They are completely free inside the voting booth to vote as they wish.

So, uhm, it doesn't seem that a whole lot of them are chosing a third path. I was taught that, to be successful, any political group has to prove to the populace that there is an acheivable benefit to supporting them.

It appears as though nobody outside of the two parties has managed to clear that bar.

As unfortunate as it seems, perhaps it would be a better strategy if the effort was put into making a third party more attractive, rather than the current strategy of simply calling the populace "stupid for not supporting it"

Just a thought.

Do yourself a favor there, before you start name calling, since my name isn't Skeeter.

First things first, look up the 17th amendment.

Next thing's next - do some research on how allowing everyone to vote will always go to hell in a handbasket.

Once you grasp these two concepts, you'll have a better understanding of how an economy works, and how a government goes downhill, FAST.
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Old 10-10-2012, 13:53   #102
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Old 10-10-2012, 14:16   #103
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Not many do, when I lay it out like that for them.

Glad you're so self assured.

I'm not doing a "my guy didn't win so I'm throwing a fit". I'm doing a "I'll continue to vote for what's truly right for this country, and for freedom, and won't compromise one inch to the gov't.

You probably know as well as I, you give the gov't/system an inch, they run with a mile.

I was speaking in a broader sense than just what YOU are saying. Sorry I didn't make that more clear.

Actually, no, there can be more than 2 if that's what you're getting at. Now since we have a 2 party system, and both parties suck (because of what I just laid out for you, which actually does have everything to do with what you and I are discussing) I'm not going to compromise. Either way it's absolute crap, and this (my) vote will be for the country, not for someone's party or special interests group.


That's not what I was getting at. More than two is fine, even desired. How many does it take to ensure that everybody has the chance to vote FOR their guy and not even entertain the idea of voting against a candidate? And to be clear, I was talking about the disrespectful response of the Romney=Obama crowd (usually lecturing the rest on how smart they are) to the decision making process that some use to determine what they think is best for THEIR vote. Some actually believe that Romney, although not the super messiah many yearn for but will never find, will be better in the next 4 years than Obama.


It's that mentality that is part of the reason why the GOP selected such a horrible candidate to run against Obama. The religious right, "social conservatives", neo-conservatives, and many more will never vote for someone who's in favor of bringing back the constitution how it was and having a truly free market/society, because they're scared. They're either sucking off the military industrial complex teet, the war on drugs teet, or the welfare queen teet (yes that's including medicare and SS).

Sorry...my inadequate reasoning abilites can not get from A to B with you here based on my previous post, although I tend to agree with your statement, abeit it has nothing to do with what I was saying. I am not in any one of the above described groups ("The religious right, "social conservatives", neo-conservatives) by the way. Big swipe you took there, whittling society down to three groups (excluding "yours" of course), without any real meat to it. Sounds like an ideological outburst to me. "Not that there's anything wrong with that" if that's the way you want to present your argument.
So, in general, I'm just saying that what I see is utter disdain from the more vocal libertarian leaning on this board shown to others that have a different view. It saddens me, as I have been on board with the "freedom" movement for years, and it seems like it has now been hijacked by an OWS/Leftist mentality (e.g., we didn't like the results of the GOP primary so we're gonna sue somebody even though the process belongs to the GOP). This destroys the credibility of the movement.
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Old 10-10-2012, 14:18   #104
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Do yourself a favor there, before you start name calling, since my name isn't Skeeter.

First things first, look up the 17th amendment.

Next thing's next - do some research on how allowing everyone to vote will always go to hell in a handbasket.

Once you grasp these two concepts, you'll have a better understanding of how an economy works, and how a government goes downhill, FAST.

I cause people to whine when I mention my education so I will leave that aside and point out that you are again flawed in your blurring the line between what you want and reality.

"Next thing's next - do some research on how allowing everyone to vote will always go to hell in a handbasket."



That may well be true, but it is they way it works and cannot be changed in this Country unless the people vote for it.(which in and of itself presents an amusing dichotomy) So exactly how do you rationalize a philosophy that has a rational impossibility as part of its foundations?
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Old 10-10-2012, 14:49   #105
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Romney or Obama will do what's best for their party, not this country.

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Republicans may get a mild surprise. My sense of Romney is that he is not a blindly-republican kind of guy.
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Old 10-10-2012, 16:09   #106
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Republicans may get a mild surprise. My sense of Romney is that he is not a blindly-republican kind of guy.
Yeah, he's more of a Ted Kennedy democrat type of guy.
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Old 10-10-2012, 16:21   #107
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Yeah, he's more of a Ted Kennedy democrat type of guy.
He murdered a woman by buying her husband's company, he didn't drive her off a bridge, get your talking points right

sheesh
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Old 10-10-2012, 16:27   #108
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He murdered a woman by buying her husband's company, he didn't drive her off a bridge, get your talking points right

sheesh
Hello my paid stalker.
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Old 10-10-2012, 16:38   #109
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Hello my paid stalker.
You flatter yourself.

i am strictly an amature who likes pulling the wings off of S**t flies
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Old 10-10-2012, 19:12   #110
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Just a sample -
  • Cap federal spending below 20% of the economy
  • consolidate agencies
  • reduce non-security discretionary spending by 5%
  • eliminate various energy regulations like the ones that are destroying the coal industry
  • Gradually reduce growth in medicare and social security benefits for more affluent seniors
  • repeal and replace Dodd-Frank
  • and on & on
Are you serious? The vague campaign promises of a very well known flip-flopper are now admissible as proof?
LOL! Roll over and take it like a woman, then. You deserve it!
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Old 10-10-2012, 19:16   #111
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Are you serious? The vague campaign promises of a very well known flip-flopper are now admissible as proof?
LOL! Roll over and take it like a woman, then. You deserve it!
Nice try, Sunshine. One more reminder of your challenge -
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Now prove that you are not stupid and or a liar. Show me the exact same plan from Obama.
Care to try again or shall we just leave it as you being proven to be a liar and stupid? Your choice.
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Old 10-10-2012, 19:33   #112
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Nice try, Sunshine. One more reminder of your challenge -


Care to try again or shall we just leave it as you being proven to be a liar and stupid? Your choice.
Both candidates are in favor of everything I listed in my first post. If you spent more time learning about the candidates, and less time slinging your slack jaw, you'd have figured that out by now. Stick your "challenge" up your backside, cupcake. When I start caring about what you think of me, I'll let you know.
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Old 10-10-2012, 19:38   #113
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Both candidates are in favor of everything I listed in my first post. If you spent more time learning about the candidates, and less time slinging your slack jaw, you'd have figured that out by now. Stick your "challenge" up your backside, cupcake. When I start caring about what you think of me, I'll let you know.
Sorry Sunshine, care to try again? I've already done half your work for you. Just post that Obama site with the exact same plan and you're home free. Otherwise, I'm sorry...you're still a proven liar and not a bright one at that.

Here's the challenge one more time in case you forgot.
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Old 10-13-2012, 14:06   #114
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Old 11-06-2012, 23:05   #115
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Ahem.

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Old 11-07-2012, 03:40   #116
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i'm looking forward to the first gary johnson bumper sticker i see.

going to be a fun little stress reliever.
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