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Old 10-07-2012, 13:36   #1
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Why he's falling apart ~ The foundations of Obama's campaign are not nearly

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FTA "A presidential reelection campaign needs three key elements: a defense of the incumbent’s record, a successful effort to define the opposition and a compelling vision of a second term.

President Obama may well celebrate a second term in Chicago next month, but the conventional wisdom underestimates the difficulty he faces, as his campaign has distinct problems with all three elements.

His defense of his record is exceptionally weak, his effort to define Mitt Romney is nearly exhausted, and his vision for the next four years — perhaps the most important — has been largely missing from his effort this year."





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An accurate summary.

His record is abysmal. Finding something worth defending is almost impossible.

Attempting to define Romney has degenerated into schoolyard name calling.

His vision of a second term is more of the failure of the first term.

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It'd be interesting to see Valerie Jarrett debate Romney next time. She could hold her own with clear policy ideas, but the Tea Party movement would suddenly grow to about 200 million people.
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Should we really apply 'conventional wisdom' in such an unconventional election? extremely popular president; an economy that can be described as 'lack-luster' (at worst); sub-par GOP nominee.

It will be a difficult task. His defense of his record is exceptionally weak, but it is not indefensible.

Trying to define Mitt Romney can be exhausting. Romney has the worst favorability ratings in modern memory. There are many issues to define.

I don't know what percent group I fall into. I served in the military. I've worked 30+ years. I've always earned a good living, but I've never owed/paid federal income taxes. Go figure.

I do know (and data supports) my personal economics have always seem to fair better under democratic administrations.
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IMO, he doesn't need a campaign when close to half the people are entirely willing to promise their (and our) childrens' future labor and wealth to China right now for a few more pathetic government "goodies" today. In the long term, this ultimate disgusting form of greed will win out, as it does in every democracy. Best to get psychologically ahead of the game, if you don't want to repeat history.
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Should we really apply 'conventional wisdom' in such an unconventional election? extremely popular president; an economy that can be described as 'lack-luster' (at worst); sub-par GOP nominee.

It will be a difficult task. His defense of his record is exceptionally weak, but it is not indefensible.

Trying to define Mitt Romney can be exhausting. Romney has the worst favorability ratings in modern memory. There are many issues to define.

I don't know what percent group I fall into. I served in the military. I've worked 30+ years. I've always earned a good living, but I've never owed/paid federal income taxes. Go figure.

I do know (and data supports) my personal economics have always seem to fair better under democratic administrations.

Trying to `explain` obama (The guy `in Power` now) can be exhausting...he is the most damaging president in the history of this country.....*This failing "Democratic" administration is like non-other we have ever seen...it is not the same....it has changed to an anti-American party...anyone that cannot see that has issues.....

Blind ravenous Lemming socialists will continue to try and discredit the `success` of Mitt Romney as a person and businessman.....They have nothing else to go with...Nothing.
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Trying to `explain` obama (The guy `in Power` now) can be exhausting...he is the most damaging president in the history of this country.....*This failing "Democratic" administration is like non-other we have ever seen...it is not the same....it has changed to an anti-American party...anyone that cannot see that has issues.....

Blind ravenous Lemming socialists will continue to try and discredit the `success` of Mitt Romney as a person and businessman.....They have nothing else to go with...Nothing.
Your arguement seems a little irrational. "The most damaging president in the history of this country" is quite a subjective dishonor. I have a steady job. My job is hiring. My community is expanding. New business' are building. Wall Street is earning record breaking profits. My civil rights have not been violated.

I'm sorry if the place you live is stiffled in failed economics plans. That may be the result of poor leadership on a state/local level.
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Your arguement seems a little irrational. "The most damaging president in the history of this country" is quite a subjective dishonor. I have a steady job. My job is hiring. My community is expanding. New business' are building. Wall Street is earning record breaking profits. My civil rights have not been violated.

I'm sorry if the place you live is stiffled in failed economics plans. That may be the result of poor leadership on a state/local level.

Well if what you said earlier is true,


"I don't know what percent group I fall into. I served in the military. I've worked 30+ years. I've always earned a good living, but I've never owed/paid federal income taxes. Go figure."


other than your military service you have been getting a free ride so I don't think it is fair for you to tell taxpayers what they should put up with.
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"Hope and Change" is not an economic recovery plan any more than hoping things change.

If the foundations were flawed at the first, they will falter at the finish. BHO's economic world view and vision of government are flawed from inception.
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Geez, you're quick. I bet you just barely beat lintfocker from making the same post

Funny, some of the Sunday talking heads made the same points. He has no defense for his record and really cannot talk about it. It's inexcusable.
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Well if what you said earlier is true,

"I don't know what percent group I fall into. I served in the military. I've worked 30+ years. I've always earned a good living, but I've never owed/paid federal income taxes. Go figure."

other than your military service you have been getting a free ride so I don't think it is fair for you to tell taxpayers what they should put up with.
I'm not quite sure where the 'free ride' is.
I earn. I spend. I consume. Repeat.

I get no entitlements. I get no subsidies. I pay sales tax, State, Social Security and Medicare taxes.

If, during the period of a fiscal year, I pay more taxes than owed I will receive a tax refund.

This is your definition of a 'free ride'? We are in deficit worm hole, but I am not the 'free rider' you're looking for.
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I empathize with anyone who may be living in a community that is struggling under economic pressures. Particularly, in areas where the economic hardships are made worse by poor leadership on a local/state level.

I live in a blue state. We have the honor of having the highest average median household income in the nation. We also have the largest share of millionaires per capita than any other state in the union.

We have crime. We have unemployment. We have no right to carry , but what we do have is economic opportunities and prosperity. We have new home constructions and business development.

So, forgive us northeastern Mason-Dixon'ers if we don't see the '1000 years of darkness' foretold by our opponents.
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I empathize with anyone who may be living in a community that is struggling under economic pressures. Particularly, in areas where the economic hardships are made worse by poor leadership on a local/state level.

I live in a blue state. We have the honor of having the highest average median household income in the nation. We also have the largest share of millionaires per capita than any other state in the union.

We have crime. We have unemployment. We have no right to carry , but what we do have is economic opportunities and prosperity. We have new home constructions and business development.

So, forgive us northeastern Mason-Dixon'ers if we don't see the '1000 years of darkness' foretold by our opponents.

The one thing I do notice is that during morning rush hour, the traffic going into Virginia on the Wilson Bridge is deeper than the one leaving -- and the inverse is true in the evening.

I wish you Marylanders would keep your "booming economy" to yourselves...


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Should we really apply 'conventional wisdom' in such an unconventional election? .
Yes, we should. He doesn't get a pass like he's managed in every other aspect of his life.

Its not that unconventional an election. It reminds me of 1980 when another failed dem president ran for reelection on a hideous record and failed.


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extremely popular president;
You're delusional or drunk. One of the most hated. 2010 is gonna look like a picnic, troll.

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an economy that can be described as 'lack-luster' (at worst);
Ronald Reagan solved twice as bad a recession in 2 years. The reason we've had a double dip of the worst kind is because bongo is making it worse.

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sub-par GOP nominee.
His first act as nominee was choosing paul ryan. Next up was the debates which started last week. I was never the guys biggest fan but i think hes gonna surprise us.

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It will be a difficult task. His defense of his record is exceptionally weak, but it is not indefensible.
Its the most pathetic on record.

Unless you think throwing our allies under the bus, an ambassador killed on sovereign American territory for the first time in more than 30 yrs, a dead Border Patrol agent murdered with a weapon provided by Obama's administration, and his justice dept protecting polling place thugs in Philadelphia is your idea of having your back, or pissing away 7 trillion dollars in debt, charged to the Bank Of China in our children's name is even remotely defensible.
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I talk to 60+ people a day, many of whom I know and many are guests. What I've been seeing is that educated (say HS diplomas and up) consistently point out Obama's record. For them, this record imprinted in stone that nothing can help defending it.

Yet, for another group, predominantly chocolate, never really get to complete HS, they ignore Obama's record completely. They don't see that he is using them while have nothing in common with them. I congratulate the leftists who recognized this untapped voting resource and are using it to the hilt. It's true that they never got the redistribution check openly, don't have healthcare of any kind, don't make enough to pay tax, never graduated from HS. It is also true that they see Obama as a hero, dare to rise among the whites. It is perception that matters, not reality.

Facts and records do matter to people who think. There's plenty out there who are myopic, who are cocaine numb between the ears from years of drugs. For a pack of cigarettes or an Andrew Jackson, they will vote Obama.

With all that in mind, the only thing I see matter in this campaign is funding. If BHO campaign is lead into the notion that they have to spend HUGE dollars in ads to keep up, then there would be less Jacksons to hand out early November.
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Should we really apply 'conventional wisdom' in such an unconventional election? extremely popular president; an economy that can be described as 'lack-luster' (at worst); sub-par GOP nominee.

It will be a difficult task. His defense of his record is exceptionally weak, but it is not indefensible.

Trying to define Mitt Romney can be exhausting. Romney has the worst favorability ratings in modern memory. There are many issues to define.

I don't know what percent group I fall into. I served in the military. I've worked 30+ years. I've always earned a good living, but I've never owed/paid federal income taxes. Go figure.

I do know (and data supports) my personal economics have always seem to fair better under democratic administrations.
What's unconventional about it? It's as conventional as you can get. You have an elected poltician who hasn't been able to do his job, or keep his promises, who has someone running against him who says he can do better.

You either believe he can (or at least can't do any worse) and vote for the challenger. Or you believe he is even a bigger loser than the incumbant (pretty hard to do with Obama as the incumbant).

It's Jimmy Carter redux, for Christ's sake. It isn't that hard.
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Your arguement seems a little irrational. "The most damaging president in the history of this country" is quite a subjective dishonor. I have a steady job. My job is hiring. My community is expanding. New business' are building. Wall Street is earning record breaking profits. My civil rights have not been violated.

I'm sorry if the place you live is stiffled in failed economics plans. That may be the result of poor leadership on a state/local level.
There's an old saying. When my neighbor is out of work, it's a recession, when I am out of work, it's a depression.

It is odd that you made a good living, but have never had an end of year federal tax liability. We may have different ideas about what a good living is, or the tax system needs an overhaul.

You are a veteran, have you looked around the world lately, things are moving into position to start some very interesting times. Barry has shown us what weakness, ineptitude and capitulation get us. Ask Ambassador Stevens' widow, she can explain it better than I can. So can Brian Terry's Parents, Michael Cahill's children, and many others.
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What's unconventional about it? It's as conventional as you can get. You have an elected poltician who hasn't been able to do his job, or keep his promises, who has someone running against him who says he can do better.

You either believe he can (or at least can't do any worse) and vote for the challenger. Or you believe he is even a bigger loser than the incumbant (pretty hard to do with Obama as the incumbant).

It's Jimmy Carter redux, for Christ's sake. It isn't that hard.
Oh but obviously it can't be the same because of the color of Obama's skin, that makes everything different because ........uhm........because.......because there is a different standard.
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Yes, we should. He doesn't get a pass like he's managed in every other aspect of his
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Right. Because ivy league Harvard is such a non-prestigious, inexpensive and mediocre school and their academia is just not up to par. Oh, but wait ... Didn't Mitt Romney graduate from Harvard?

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Its not that unconventional an election. It reminds me of 1980 when another failed dem president ran for reelection on a hideous record and failed.
It's very unconventional. Jimmy Carter did not enjoy the same levels of approval and/or favorability ratings as does BHO. Jimmy Carters administration was not undermined by a do nothing House and Senate.

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You're delusional or drunk. One of the most hated. 2010 is gonna look like a picnic,
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Are you having problems with your Flux Capacitor? Do you need to generate 1.21 gigawatts of electricity to make it back to the future? It's not 2010. Get out of the past. The 2010 mid-terms were a referendum on ObamaCare. The SCOTUS negated that. The 2012 general election will be referendum on austerity and nothing can help Romney evade is 1% allegiances.

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Ronald Reagan solved twice as bad a recession in 2 years. The reason we've had a double dip of the worst kind is because bongo is making it worse.
So, Reagan resolved a 'twice as bad a recession'. Well, I knew all the hype about this being the worst economic
crisis since the Great Depression was just more Right wing hysteria. The reason we have such a lack-luster recovery can be directly attributed to the do nothing, partisian Congress, as described above.

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His first act as nominee was choosing paul ryan.
Big Mistake. The Paul/Ryan Budget is toxic to middle income America as well as the elderly.

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Next up was the debates which started last week.
Advantage: Romney (but he's still down 2 sets to love). Other than upstaging BHO in the debate, what Romney has really done is to show 90 millions viewers how convincingly he can contradict himself.

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I was never the guys biggest fan but i think hes gonna surprise us.
Who is Romney's biggest fans? The man has the worst favorability ratings in recent memory. Even among Republican voters. I appauld you for making lemon-aid out of a lemon.

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pathetic on record.

Unless you think throwing our allies under the bus, an ambassador killed on sovereign American territory for the
first time in more than 30 yrs, a dead Border Patrol agent murdered with a weapon provided by Obama's
administration, and his justice dept protecting polling place thugs in Philadelphia is your idea of having your
back, or pissing away 7 trillion dollars in debt, charged to the Bank Of China in our children's name is even remotely
defensible.
What's pathetic is to politicize those tragedies. What POTUS has NOT had a scandal or unfortunate and/or tragic
incident occur on his watch?

GWB: 9/11, WMD's, Haliburton
WJC: USS Cole, Monica Lewinsky, Whitewater
GHWB: Savings & Loan scandal, Iran-Contra affair (PT. 2)
RWR: Iran-Contra affair,HUD Grant scandal
JEC: Iran Hostage crisis
RMN: Watergate

What is also distasteful is your selective memory which seems to overlook/forgive Republican transgressions and mismanagement.
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Right. Because ivy league Harvard is such a non-prestigious, inexpensive and mediocre school and their academia is just not up to par. Oh, but wait ... Didn't Mitt Romney graduate from Harvard?



It's very unconventional. Jimmy Carter did not enjoy the same levels of approval and/or favorability ratings as does BHO. Jimmy Carters administration was not undermined by a do nothing House and Senate.



Are you having problems with your Flux Capacitor? Do you need to generate 1.21 gigawatts of electricity to make it back to the future? It's not 2010. Get out of the past. The 2010 mid-terms were a referendum on ObamaCare. The SCOTUS negated that. The 2012 general election will be referendum on austerity and nothing can help Romney evade is 1% allegiances.



So, Reagan resolved a 'twice as bad a recession'. Well, I knew all the hype about this being the worst economic
crisis since the Great Depression was just more Right wing hysteria. The reason we have such a lack-luster recovery can be directly attributed to the do nothing, partisian Congress, as described above.



Big Mistake. The Paul/Ryan Budget is toxic to middle income America as well as the elderly.



Advantage: Romney (but he's still down 2 sets to love). Other than upstaging BHO in the debate, what Romney has really done is to show 90 millions viewers how convincingly he can contradict himself.



Who is Romney's biggest fans? The man has the worst favorability ratings in recent memory. Even among Republican voters. I appauld you for making lemon-aid out of a lemon.



What's pathetic is to politicize those tragedies. What POTUS has NOT had a scandal or unfortunate and/or tragic
incident occur on his watch?

GWB: 9/11, WMD's, Haliburton
WJC: USS Cole, Monica Lewinsky, Whitewater
GHWB: Savings & Loan scandal, Iran-Contra affair (PT. 2)
RWR: Iran-Contra affair,HUD Grant scandal
JEC: Iran Hostage crisis
RMN: Watergate

What is also distasteful is your selective memory which seems to overlook/forgive Republican transgressions and mismanagement.

Talk about falling apart....
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I talk to 60+ people a day, many of whom I know and many are guests. What I've been seeing is that educated (say HS diplomas and up) consistently point out Obama's record. For them, this record imprinted in stone that nothing can help defending it.

Yet, for another group, predominantly chocolate, never really get to complete HS, they ignore Obama's record completely. They don't see that he is using them while have nothing in common with them. I congratulate the leftists who recognized this untapped voting resource and are using it to the hilt. It's true that they never got the redistribution check openly, don't have healthcare of any kind, don't make enough to pay tax, never graduated from HS. It is also true that they see Obama as a hero, dare to rise among the whites. It is perception that matters, not reality.

Facts and records do matter to people who think. There's plenty out there who are myopic, who are cocaine numb between the ears from years of drugs. For a pack of cigarettes or an Andrew Jackson, they will vote Obama.

With all that in mind, the only thing I see matter in this campaign is funding. If BHO campaign is lead into the notion that they have to spend HUGE dollars in ads to keep up, then there would be less Jacksons to hand out early November.
I think the highlighted text and the sentiment in your statement says it all. Stop dancing around the issue. BHO could have cured cancer while simultaneously creating a renewable energy source out of dead terrorists hair folicles and shredded Koran pages you still wouldn't approve of him because he's 'chocolate'. You will get just what you deserve with 4 more years.

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There's an old saying. When my neighbor is out of work, it's a recession, when I am out of work, it's a depression.

It is odd that you made a good living, but have never had an end of year federal tax liability. We may have different ideas about what a good living is, or the tax system needs an overhaul.

You are a veteran, have you looked around the world lately, things are moving into position to start some very interesting times. Barry has shown us what weakness, ineptitude and capitulation get us. Ask Ambassador Stevens' widow, she can explain it better than I can. So can Brian Terry's Parents, Michael Cahill's children, and many others.
Maybe I just live within my means. Maybe you should find some tax deductions and charitable donations to lower your liability (ala Mitt Romney). Maybe you should judge Americans by the contributions they make to society as opposed to the contributions they do or do not make to the tax margin.

My idea of a 'good living' is being able to independently provide for all my family's needs; present and future. I will mention, again, that after 30+ years in the workforce, my family economics have faired considerable better under democratic administrations. That isn't just my opinion. The data confirms my experiences.

You may continue to politicize the death/loss of Ambassadors, LEO's, and 'many others' but you do so at your own discredit.

Young Mitt Romney chose to protest IN FAVOR OF the Vietnam draft, but applied for and was approved several deferments from that war (so he didn't have to join the fight that so many men and women honorablly risked and gave their lives). That's worse than weakness. That's cowardly.

When Romney proclaims how he likes to fire people, disparages the 47%, refers to undocumented workers as 'illegals', insults our overseas allies (U.K., Israel), talks about trees being the right height and transports a dog on the roof of a car; that's worse than ineptitude. That's moronic.

When your major policy positions shifts and turns with the prevailing political wind, (as does Romneys on abortion, gun control, and health care) that's worse than capitulation. That's spineless.

Put it all together and that spells a Republican concession speech in the late hours of election night.
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Ah liberals,

"refers to undocumented workers as 'illegals', "


telling the truth sends shivers up their spines.


If a part of Obama's campaign appeal the first time was his education why have we still not seen what he actually did in college?

"I promise to cut the deficit in half in my first term"
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I think the highlighted text and the sentiment in your statement says it all. Stop dancing around the issue. BHO could have cured cancer while simultaneously creating a renewable energy source out of dead terrorists hair folicles and shredded Koran pages you still wouldn't approve of him because he's 'chocolate'. You will get just what you deserve with 4 more years.



Maybe I just live within my means. Maybe you should find some tax deductions and charitable donations to lower your liability (ala Mitt Romney). Maybe you should judge Americans by the contributions they make to society as opposed to the contributions they do or do not make to the tax margin.

My idea of a 'good living' is being able to independently provide for all my family's needs; present and future. I will mention, again, that after 30+ years in the workforce, my family economics have faired considerable better under democratic administrations. That isn't just my opinion. The data confirms my experiences.

You may continue to politicize the death/loss of Ambassadors, LEO's, and 'many others' but you do so at your own discredit.

Young Mitt Romney chose to protest IN FAVOR OF the Vietnam draft, but applied for and was approved several deferments from that war (so he didn't have to join the fight that so many men and women honorablly risked and gave their lives). That's worse than weakness. That's cowardly.

When Romney proclaims how he likes to fire people, disparages the 47%, refers to undocumented workers as 'illegals', insults our overseas allies (U.K., Israel), talks about trees being the right height and transports a dog on the roof of a car; that's worse than ineptitude. That's moronic.

When your major policy positions shifts and turns with the prevailing political wind, (as does Romneys on abortion, gun control, and health care) that's worse than capitulation. That's spineless.

Put it all together and that spells a Republican concession speech in the late hours of election night.
not so, obama is half white, 1/4 arab, 1/4 black. he is not black to those in the know, only to those who know not. most of obamas supporters where whites ashamed of being white.
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