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Old 10-12-2012, 11:57   #76
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I really hope your ejection issues are fixed with the HRED combo you're using. Congrats on the positive results.

I also love my little 22lr rifle and I also use Meuller scopes. They are great!
Should get another couple hundred rounds at least through the G19 next week sometime, and I am really impressed with the mueller scope for the price point.
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Old 10-12-2012, 13:27   #77
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Gen 3 Glock 19

All summer, I worked to earn extra money for a gun (college student) and researched what gun to buy. Well, it seemed like the Gen 3 Glock 19 was the way to go...

I heard of BTF issues and thought "Whew..seems to be on gen 4..glad I bought a gen 3!" Next time to the range, my 5th or 6th shot thumped a hot casing right at my forehead pretty hard.

No...No...this couldn't be happening to me. Glocks are perfect. It says it on the box...

Well, I just accepted this as part of my gun. Last two times I shot (I shoot every few weeks) I actually encountered a hangup or two (various failures to eject).

Yesterday, I hit the range again. I had two hangups on the SAME magazine. I went home and emailed Glock because it was late. Guess I should have called them because I have not gotten a response.

I do not know what to do. It is currently my only handgun and I just bought a crossbreed holster for it. It seems like it is getting worse! I really really don't want to have to start replacing springs and extractors on a product I got on the assurance that it was "perfect." I knew that if my gun was going to be that damn ugly, it better perform flawlessly. Well...it doesn't. Is there any luck that Glock will release a late model gen 3 fix like they did the gen 4? I love this forum but unfortunately might be selling my glock in the future I hear m&p as well as xd do not malfunction this much. I feel really let down. Any advice?
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Old 10-12-2012, 13:31   #78
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All summer, I worked to earn extra money for a gun (college student) and researched what gun to buy. Well, it seemed like the Gen 3 Glock 19 was the way to go...

I heard of BTF issues and thought "Whew..seems to be on gen 4..glad I bought a gen 3!" Next time to the range, my 5th or 6th shot thumped a hot casing right at my forehead pretty hard.

No...No...this couldn't be happening to me. Glocks are perfect. It says it on the box...

Well, I just accepted this as part of my gun. Last two times I shot (I shoot every few weeks) I actually encountered a hangup or two (various failures to eject).

Yesterday, I hit the range again. I had two hangups on the SAME magazine. I went home and emailed Glock because it was late. Guess I should have called them because I have not gotten a response.

I do not know what to do. It is currently my only handgun and I just bought a crossbreed holster for it. It seems like it is getting worse! I really really don't want to have to start replacing springs and extractors on a product I got on the assurance that it was "perfect." I knew that if my gun was going to be that damn ugly, it better perform flawlessly. Well...it doesn't. Is there any luck that Glock will release a late model gen 3 fix like they did the gen 4? I love this forum but unfortunately might be selling my glock in the future I hear m&p as well as xd do not malfunction this much. I feel really let down. Any advice?
Try to sort out what your issue is first. Take a look at which extractor you have, etc. If not you can send the gun in also, they may fix it, may replace it, may send it back saying nothing is wrong with it.

Before you jump ship sort it out. That's my advice anyways. I will continue to update my thread as I put more rounds down range with the new setup.

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Old 10-12-2012, 13:36   #79
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Try to sort out what your issue is first. Take a look at which extractor you have, etc. If not you can send the gun in also, they may fix it, may replace it, may send it back saying nothing is wrong with it.

Before you jump ship sort it out. That's my advice anyways. I will continue to update my thread as I put more rounds down range with the new setup.

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Thanks for giving me a little hope. That is the thing...it is my only handgun and I conceal carry every day. How long would I be without my gun? I hear problems with lots of the late gen 3 models and not many people who have them fixed. Maybe the ones with problems overshadow all of the ones that get fixed?

edit: does anyone have a link to this non dipped extractor? My gen 3 19 was manufactured in 2010. would a non dipped extractor help possibly?
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Old 10-12-2012, 13:50   #80
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Thanks for giving me a little hope. That is the thing...it is my only handgun and I conceal carry every day. How long would I be without my gun? I hear problems with lots of the late gen 3 models and not many people who have them fixed. Maybe the ones with problems overshadow all of the ones that get fixed?
I can't say how long you would be without your gun brother, that would depend on many factors that are out of everyone's control.

I have seen many of the late Gen 3 guns get replaced with Gen 4 guns.

Like I said your first step would be to get the gun to an armorer for evaluation, then go from there.

I have a Glock that has had issues, but I have others that have never given me issues. So I didn't win the lotto on the most recent one. No big deal, just funny when people say it can't be a gun issue because Glocks are perfect.
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Old 10-12-2012, 13:51   #81
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Old 10-12-2012, 14:01   #82
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DAM!!!! mines dipped!!! haha. A shopping I will go.
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Old 10-12-2012, 14:02   #83
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DAM!!!! mines dipped!!! haha. A shopping I will go.
This is the one I bought and it came non dipped:

http://glockparts.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=7284&CAT=708

Glock sent me a new dipped one that did nothing for me.
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Old 10-12-2012, 14:10   #84
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This is the one I bought and it came non dipped:

http://glockparts.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=7284&CAT=708

Glock sent me a new dipped one that did nothing for me.
Just ordered. Thanks man...like really thanks. I wasn't going to worry until yesterday when the gun was actually dangerously unreliable. I really hope it works.
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Old 10-12-2012, 14:12   #85
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Just ordered. Thanks man...like really thanks. I wasn't going to worry until yesterday when the gun was actually dangerously unreliable. I really hope it works.
If you need help when you get the part to install it send me a pm, I will walk you through it.

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Old 10-12-2012, 14:12   #86
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Talk to Dave. Tell him you need the non-dip extractor. He has both. If you don't specify, you might get another dipped one. About 20 bucks plus shipping. I would suggest a White Sound Defense extra power extractor depressor plunger spring, and a non-LCI spring loaded bearing. You don't need the whole WSD setup - just the spring. Dave will take care of you.

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Just ordered. Thanks man...like really thanks. I wasn't going to worry until yesterday when the gun was actually dangerously unreliable. I really hope it works.
If you ordered it on the website, I suggest calling Dave to make sure you get the non-dipped extractor. Also the other items I mentioned.
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Old 10-12-2012, 16:26   #88
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To the poster who commented on no reports of issues with the USA made Flocks. Its probbaly because they haven't been shot much, and that there are few on the market. Give it sometime.

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Old 10-14-2012, 18:27   #89
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If you ordered it on the website, I suggest calling Dave to make sure you get the non-dipped extractor. Also the other items I mentioned.
Thanks. I put his number in my phone and I will call him first thing after class tomorrow.
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Let me start by saying I believe the vast majority of the problems reported on this issue are valid and caused by the firearm not the shooter.

I had feeding problems with a Gen 3 G22 and G23. I never used lights, but I was not alone in have problems on these model with and without lights attached.

In short, I believe the problems with the Gen 3s in 40 caliber were real as are the current problems with 9mm glocks.

If the current Gen 4s in 40 caliber are running ok, I think the question needs to be asked, if glock fixed the 40 cal problem, but in doing so caused problems with their 9mms? Any speculations? Anyone know how the new 40 caliber glocks are running, esp with lights attached?
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Let me start by saying I believe the vast majority of the problems reported on this issue are valid and caused by the firearm not the shooter.

I had feeding problems with a Gen 3 G22 and G23. I never used lights, but I was not alone in have problems on these model with and without lights attached.

In short, I believe the problems with the Gen 3s in 40 caliber were real as are the current problems with 9mm glocks.

If the current Gen 4s in 40 caliber are running ok, I think the question needs to be asked, if glock fixed the 40 cal problem, but in doing so caused problems with their 9mms? Any speculations? Anyone know how the new 40 caliber glocks are running, esp with lights attached?
My Gen 4 G23 runs fine with the exception of the occasional BTF. It's not that frequent, but it does happen.
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Old 10-14-2012, 21:01   #92
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My Gen 4 G23 runs fine with the exception of the occasional BTF. It's not that frequent, but it does happen.
Not sure what "BTF" means. Did you perhaps mean "FTF" or failure to feed? If so can you describe?

When my Gen 3 G22 and G23 had failure to feed bullet hung up low on ramp. Pull back slide and round popped up and releasing slide feed round.

This got me started on changing springs. Heavier mag springs did seem to help a bit, but did not cure problem. Also tried heavier and lighter recoil springs. Eventually just gave up and sold G22 and will probably sell G23 sometime.

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Old 10-14-2012, 21:50   #93
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Old 10-15-2012, 03:48   #94
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TIL that glocks with the starting serial letter as P through S are flagged at Glock as needing a new ejector. My glock starts with "P."

That would explain a lot. This "perfect" business starts to get under your skin after a while if you have an example that says otherwise sitting in your hands.
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Old 10-15-2012, 10:01   #95
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Well I installed the Apex extractor and it seemed to hold a dummy round while I had it apart. I also hand cycled a few dummy rounds and they all ran through fine.

I then took the G19 out with 4 boxes of new factory 9mm ammo. 2 boxes of Federal Champion and 2 boxes of Winchester White box. All 115gr fmj ammo.

Guess what...the Apex part made NO DIFFERENCE at all!

Yes, I still got 2-3 pieces of brass to the face per 15rd magazine. Literally no difference over the factory dip MIM extractor at all.

Disgusted...I just stopped shooting and did not use the rest of my 300rds I had set aside. Why bother?

Right now...I am DONE with all things Glock. I am going to clean it up and take it and trade it for a Walther PPQ or HK USP Compact 9 and call it good. I will hang on to my 2 gen 2 guns but NO MORE new Glocks....ever!

Just thought I'd let you know my results...I am not wasting one more red cent on this damn pistol or wasting any more time on it. Sixty plus dollars just totally wasted.

You all can do what you want...but sorry...life is too damn short to keep playing around with these iffy POS guns.

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Old 10-15-2012, 10:14   #96
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Brickboy -- gen 3 or gen 4?
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Old 10-15-2012, 10:36   #97
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"The changes I made to the pistol were the sights, the Ghost Rocket, G17 smooth trigger bar, Vickers mag release, and vickers slide stop. I also replaced the factory springs with Wolff factory weight springs, and the trigger spring is a 6# extra power spring. I basically do the same modifications to all my Glocks. I also did some grip work on it recently."

After changing or monkeying with just about everything that makes a Glock function, function in a time specific cycle, function within a certain velocity window, and otherwise monkeyed up everything with your favorite parts, a question:

What does this have to do with whether a new Glock works or not?

Kee'Rhrist, all you have to do to stop an M1 Carbine from working perfectly is install a set of Wolf springs in it. Almost a guarantee it will quit running. And a carbine is almost moron proof.
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Old 10-15-2012, 11:16   #98
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Oops! My bad!

The gun in question is a 3rd gen G19 born in April of 2012 with the 336 ejector.

Tired of fooling with it. This is the kind of garbage we used to do to get a Colt 1911 to run right. Buy it new and start immediately yanking out parts...hoping THIS TIME it will run right. Spending tons of money and time just to get the thing to run through one damn mag with no problems.

Sorry...but I am just tired of this crap.

Going to a PPQ or HK and never looking back....y'all have fun tinkering! LOL
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Well I installed the Apex extractor and it seemed to hold a dummy round while I had it apart. I also hand cycled a few dummy rounds and they all ran through fine.

I then took the G19 out with 4 boxes of new factory 9mm ammo. 2 boxes of Federal Champion and 2 boxes of Winchester White box. All 115gr fmj ammo.

Guess what...the Apex part made NO DIFFERENCE at all!

Yes, I still got 2-3 pieces of brass to the face per 15rd magazine. Literally no difference over the factory dip MIM extractor at all.

Disgusted...I just stopped shooting and did not use the rest of my 300rds I had set aside. Why bother?

Right now...I am DONE with all things Glock. I am going to clean it up and take it and trade it for a Walther PPQ or HK USP Compact 9 and call it good. I will hang on to my 2 gen 2 guns but NO MORE new Glocks....ever!

Just thought I'd let you know my results...I am not wasting one more red cent on this damn pistol or wasting any more time on it. Sixty plus dollars just totally wasted.

You all can do what you want...but sorry...life is too damn short to keep playing around with these iffy POS guns.

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I got my gun running right with the Apex extractor, BUT it required the 30274 ejector and a non lci spring loaded bearing. I'd give that a try if I were you
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Can you link to where you purchased the 30274 ejector and non lci spring loaded bearing?
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