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Old 10-21-2012, 12:58   #1
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Free Weights and a Rotator Cuff

I have an olympic bar & weight set, I have been lifting and benching for years. I use to enjoy benching heavy 315/275 ( usually 3-5 reps ), or doing 275/250/225 etc.

I could always hit that weight and didn't have any type of issues other than being a little sore after workouts. I use to do heavy or lighter type workouts and just mix everything up hitting low or high reps (just depended if I was lifting heavy or lighter weight).

Until the last 4-5 months, I had some issues with my right shoulder. So I took a few months off, and did a lot of light kettle bell weights.

So I am back on the bench and went light with 135, here we GO...

As soon as I picked up the weight it felt like I couldn't bench any longer, I pushed myself to do 2 reps (), I forced myself to finish to 10...

I am feeling a lot of pain and what feels like an electrical shock/someone running a pin thru my shoulder. ( 135 lbs )

I think my days are numbered on the bench press, I always used good form, when I use to lift, so I am confused about my shoulder going out.

I know there are other workouts I can do, but the bench was like a fun ego builder. Kinda sad now,

Anybody else going thru this? I hate having to give up a workout due to a pain.
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Old 10-21-2012, 13:02   #2
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Please move to GNG forum.
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Old 10-21-2012, 13:02   #3
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I get the feeling this was supposed to be in GnG, not General Firearms...
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Old 10-21-2012, 13:15   #4
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Had my torn Rotator Cuff repaired a little over a year ago, Let me tell you, that was the worse thing I ever had done to me, I could not lay down for over a week, spent my time in my chair.

Before I got it fixed, I lost all strength with anything from shoulder level above, I could not even shoot a basketball. Pushups a No-no, Bench pressing was defiantly out.

I have taken my recovery VERY SLOW, I do not want to go thru that again.

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Old 10-21-2012, 13:20   #5
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See a doctor now. I had global shoulder reconstruction after experiencing shoulder issues, not related to weight lifting. My surgeon found that I had 3" of bone sticking through the bundle of muscles that form the rotator cuff. He did the best he could however while have full range of movement no longer have any strength in trying to work at or above shoulder height...no hammering, lifting or grasping.

I asked him what I'd done to injure my shoulder..he said for me it was a function of aging. 74 now, the surgery was completed in my late 60's.

All that to say this..check it out now, may be something that can be mitigated or fully corrected..or not but like most things physical, better to know sooner than later.

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Old 10-21-2012, 14:28   #6
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I went through the exact same thing!

Go see a doctor that specializes in sports medicine, make an appointment TOMORROW!!!!

Mine was not torn but it took months to get back to the heavy weights - of course this was years ago and I stopped benching a few years after I got back to where I was, I am just now getting back into it and I am starting VERY SLOW and with VERY light weight.

You need to go see a specialist! Do it soon before you ruin your shoulder permanently.


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Old 10-21-2012, 14:40   #7
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Thank you for the information. I hate that electrical shock/pin
Feeling I get when I'm lifting. Did most of you feel the same
Type of pain?

I hate this!! No matter how light I lift and how ready I think I
Am, when I put any type of 'load' my shoulder has this awful
Pain. I guess it's time for the Doc. I am wondering if PT can
Restore or help a rotator cuff, or is surgery the only alternative ?

Thanks again.
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Old 10-21-2012, 15:16   #8
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I fell off a ladder and landed on my right shoulder with enough force the Rotator Cuff was cut in half when the acromion (where collar bone connects to shoulder blade) was driven down onto the tuberosity (the ball in the shoulder joint) with enough force there were radiating fractures from point of impact; I learned more about the construction of the shoulder than I ever wanted to know, and I had a surgeon who was great with his explanations.

Anywho, there are ligaments that run between the collar bone and shoulder blade, see the picture below
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...avicular+joint

See the Coraoacromial ligament, my surgeon said it is hard with edges that are almost serrated like a steak knife. people who work over head like drywallers etc and power lifters run that ligament against the Rotator Cuff and just like rubbing a steak knife across a rope eventually it cuts.

As part of my reattachment of the Rotator Cuff he did an Acromioplasty, removed a wedge from the Acromion to prevent impingement and removed the Coraoacromial ligament which he said wasn't really needed.

OK; from my learning from the operating table side of things it sounds like you need the Coraoacromial ligament removed and the Rotator Cuff repaired and are probably in for 2-4 months of recuperation and physical therapy.

http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/s...cuff-disorders

Another possibility is bone spurs in the shoulder joint, but again that will require surgery.

Because of the extensive damage and the shoulder locking up with scar tissue requiring a "manipulation" I was 2 years getting off work restrictions.

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Old 10-21-2012, 15:51   #9
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If it still hurts and the doctors are not going to operate try reverse bench. Works for me.

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Old 10-22-2012, 11:25   #10
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Thank you for the information. I hate that electrical shock/pin
Feeling I get when I'm lifting. Did most of you feel the same
Type of pain?

I hate this!! No matter how light I lift and how ready I think I
Am, when I put any type of 'load' my shoulder has this awful
Pain. I guess it's time for the Doc. I am wondering if PT can
Restore or help a rotator cuff, or is surgery the only alternative ?

Thanks again.
Well I suppose you can always do what I did. I messed up my shoulder when I was in the early 30's. Just a big pop and a very sharp pain every time I tried to throw anything over hand, heck, just the motion would send that shock through me.

Didn't have time for docs in those days so kept earning a living and learned to toss a ball to my young son kinda sidearm/underhand. Then it was a football as he grew.

I got by figuring ways to avoid that motion, but about 20 years later went to a doc who took pictures and MRI and told me it was too bad for the scope surgery so he would take it apart, lay it out on the table, sand off the arthritis, reattach the tendons and all would be well after recovery. That meant about 6 months with lots of physical therapy and painful work on my own. I decided that route wasn't for me so I put it on hold.

Now with grandkids it's 40 years since I damaged it and technology has come a long way. I can't swim with that overhand motion and it hurts even to do sidearm stuff. I had it checked out and the doc said he can reattach the ligament if it will stretch after all those years with the scope, but to help the arthritis he has to take it apart. So no net change for me.

I decided at my age why go through it now. The grandkids are growing up and won't want to do that much with me before long and it doesn't hurt my shoulder to sit in front of the computer.

All this because I waited too long. My point is that you may as well make a lifelong decision and decide either to fix it right away or never get it fixed. It will get worse and repair becomes more difficult and less effective so it's really a now or never thing.
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Old 10-22-2012, 11:45   #11
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First, see a doctor. This is nothing to fool around with.

I have impingement syndrome. I work around it. I use dumbbells, keep the weights close to the torso, keep the reps high at 12. Never let the weight go above or behind you so that you cannot see them, and use a palm up grip on pull-downs, flys, ect.

Lying L-curls keep the Rot cuff strong as well.
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If you have a bone spur, as I did, you can rest your shoulder and it will heal until you start using your arm again, then the bone spur will cut the muscle(supraspinatus) again.

Surgery.
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Old 10-22-2012, 15:12   #13
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Oh Boy

Looks like i am going to have to stop the bench press ( which i was suppose to do today ). I don't want to cause anymore injury to my shoulder.

Looks like maybe I will try a 15 pound kettle bell and do some low reps.

I listened to everyones story, I know it's not an easy thing to do, but I thank you for all your experience with this type of problem.
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Old 10-22-2012, 15:13   #14
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I haven't read all of the responses but get to a doctor now.
I have a rotator cuff issue and it is important you get diagnosed and put
on a therapy regimen.
You want to avoid surgery.
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Old 10-22-2012, 21:50   #15
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Definitely come to this place for medical advice re an undiagnosed medical condition. I'm sure you'll get only accurate diagnoses and all your problems will be solved. /s

Or, maybe you'll demonstrate more than one or two functioning IQ points and head down to an orthopedic surgeon. Maybe they can fix it. But guaranteed if you wait long enough, it'll bug you the rest of your life.

Your call.
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Definitely come to this place for medical advice re an undiagnosed medical condition. I'm sure you'll get only accurate diagnoses and all your problems will be solved. /s

Or, maybe you'll demonstrate more than one or two functioning IQ points and head down to an orthopedic surgeon. Maybe they can fix it. But guaranteed if you wait long enough, it'll bug you the rest of your life.

Your call.
I know it is most certain a rotator cuff injury, but it's always nice to know others that have went thru the same, or can give me some advise if they have had the same type of injury.

I don't always like to go by the DR's advise, simply because a lot of DR's also like to withhold out info, and just go by surgery to repair injuries, or with hold certain information, because they want to look with the insurance companies.

Don't believe me, Well there was this one DR that told us a family member NEEDED to have a limb removed, In fact he insisted on the operation. We stopped him and researched other alternatives.

The end result was the limb was saved by another type of surgery and PT. This person still has their limb and is doing very well.

BUT, how many others went by the DR's advise and lost a limb, and now are crippled.

I don't have a issue listening or even going to the DR, or even getting a procedure done, but I always like to know what I am getting into.

I know the 'net' is not a reliable source when you have health issues, and I thank you for the concern, but like I stated, I like to check all corners before I proceed.
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I know it is most certain a rotator cuff injury
You know nothing of the kind. It could be bursitis, arthritis, a rotator cuff injury, or any number of other ailments.

I don't know what kind of doctors you reference, but they sound like idiots.

You need to consult a competent orthopedic physician. My guess is you'll have x-rays, then an MRI. An x-ray, IIRC, won't show soft tissue damage. IIRC, that's for an MRI. But x-rays can show arthritis.

Regardless, this place can offer you absolutely zero, less than zero, competent advice.

BTW, I suffer similarly. Can no longer do bench presses. My pecs are atrophying and there's nothing I can do about it.

It just happens bro.
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You know nothing of the kind. It could be bursitis, arthritis, a rotator cuff injury, or any number of other ailments.

I don't know what kind of doctors you reference, but they sound like idiots.

You need to consult a competent orthopedic physician. My guess is you'll have x-rays, then an MRI. An x-ray, IIRC, won't show soft tissue damage. IIRC, that's for an MRI. But x-rays can show arthritis.

Regardless, this place can offer you absolutely zero, less than zero, competent advice.

BTW, I suffer similarly. Can no longer do bench presses. My pecs are atrophying and there's nothing I can do about it.

It just happens bro.

Once again, thank you and I hear you. I have an appointment scheduled for next week.

I was never trying to seek medical advise from the GT members, tho I am sure some would take a chance and offer to do a procedure with a buck knife,

I just wanted to hear if others suffered the same type of problem that I am facing, and the kind GT members told me to see a Doc - so I knew it was time to get it done.

Today, I officially gave up on the bench press ( I stubbornly tried to press 135~ just to be certain, and couldn't do it without that shock running thru my shoulder) , so it's over.

I went ahead and did some kettle bell workouts with the 20 pounders. I can do that without any pain.

Its a sad night,
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I had a right rotator cuff repaired along with a bicep tendonesis (remove and replace the upper bicep tendon to the proper place) My strength went downhill FAST. Rehab stretching was brutal. It took me about 18 months to get sports strength back. It took 3 years to get my total strength back
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See a doc. Your body is telling you that something isn't right. I blew out my shoulder while lifting and I had trouble putting a shirt on for three months. It wasn't pretty.

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Thank you for the information. I hate that electrical shock/pin
Feeling I get when I'm lifting. Did most of you feel the same
Type of pain?

I hate this!! No matter how light I lift and how ready I think I
Am, when I put any type of 'load' my shoulder has this awful
Pain. I guess it's time for the Doc. I am wondering if PT can
Restore or help a rotator cuff, or is surgery the only alternative ?

Thanks again.
Hopefully it is not torn. I would see a doc and make sure you don't need surgery. My uncle cannot sleep in a bed because of that injury. He has to sleep in a chair all night. So get it checked and good luck.
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As others have typed, you probably need to see an MD to find out what's wrong. Without knowing the type of injury, you're left with trial and error, which might be OK--probably what I'd do LOL.

Benching can be rough on the shoulders. It's critical to balance it with exercises that balance the rotator cuff. Overhead presses and bent-over rows are the main exercises to balance the bench.

If I was in your shoes, I think I'd be tempted to avoid the bench for about a year while loading up my program with presses and rows. I'm going on the assumption that you're like most folks, having done a LOT more benching than pressing or rowing. Then introduce the bench. If you want to avoid the MD and use more of a trial and error approach, I think that'd be a decent one.

Also, the following forum has a lot information on this type of issue. Rippetoe is one of the most popular experts on strength training.

http://startingstrength.com/resource...play.php?f=129
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STOP BENCH PRESSING!

STOP BENCH PRESSING!

STOP BENCH PRESSING!

If you are determined not to get checked out by a competent orthopedic surgeon, at least STOP BENCH PRESSING! An "electrical shock" sensation could be from many things, including pinched nerves which might lead to permanent nerve damage.

You need a professional rehab program a the minimum, if not intervention, THEN a professional rehab program. All we can offer are opinions, some of which may validate your thoughts that this isn't serious and will fix itself, others which may confirm your fears that you are seriously injured. But the reality is that none of us know what is really going on so you ought to check yourself out. Even if you let it heal for a few months and slowly work yourself back there could be scar tissue that will limit your recovery, something that can be minimized by a proper rehab program.
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Stop posting looking for Dudebro gym discussions on Glocktalk and GO SEE A DOCTOR. And stop lifting until you do so.

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I am not benching any longer, and I thank you all for the advise.

I have a DR's appointment coming up next week, so i will see what they advise, and ask for a specialist.
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