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Old 10-27-2012, 16:53   #1
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ATF Industry Operations Investigator

Does anybody know much about this position? I realize that posting this on a gun board is a bit weird, but I saw the opening locally and I'm thinking about putting in for it. It starts at the GS-5, 7, or 9 level, and full performance is at the GS-13 level from the documents I've seen. I realize it is not a sworn position. Any idea if this can lead into an SA 1811-series position, or is it a completely separate career track?
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Old 10-27-2012, 17:01   #2
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Can't tell you anything about the job CJ, but I wish you good luck if you decide to go for it.
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Old 10-27-2012, 20:46   #4
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Getting in is the hard part. After that moving around is easier. I had a friend who started out with Georgia Bureau of Investigation, applied and was hired by the Secret Service and then lateraled to the USF&W Service as a federal game warden, the job he really wanted. It took a while but he got there. Good luck!
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Getting in is the hard part. After that moving around is easier. I had a friend who started out with Georgia Bureau of Investigation, applied and was hired by the Secret Service and then lateraled to the USF&W Service as a federal game warden, the job he really wanted. It took a while but he got there. Good luck!
I'm already a Federal CO, so I'm even in the same Department (DOJ). I hope that helps! Anybody have any info on what the day to day is like? Everything I'm reading is suggesting lots of travel. Also looks like they do some background investigating on FFL/FEL applicants and such.
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Old 10-27-2012, 21:51   #6
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Different career track, but you can always put in for an 1811 if one comes up.

Industry ops means you follow up with gun makers large and small with regulatory issues. Destroyed frames, compliance, production numbers, anti-diversion, etc. DEA had such people for schedule one prescription drugs.
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Old 10-28-2012, 01:02   #7
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Different career track, but you can always put in for an 1811 if one comes up.

Industry ops means you follow up with gun makers large and small with regulatory issues. Destroyed frames, compliance, production numbers, anti-diversion, etc. DEA had such people for schedule one prescription drugs.
THIS. I believe the similar DEA position is Diverson Investigator. ATF IOIs are more like regulatory & compliance inspectors. Badge & Credentials, but no firearm, no LEAP or 6c. You'll spend all day in gun shops, w/FFLs, etc , or ammo manufacturers, depending on what types of businesses are in your service area. Travel varies by service area, depending on how far apart these entities are. In a bigger service area, you may have alot of 'windshield time', in a smaller area, less so, but maybe on/off a plane, etc. It's a good gig w/regular hrs, but alot of IOIs are looking for that next step, so attrition may mean adjutements to your woorkload, or getting passed over for the job if during the panel interview they sense you really want to be an 1811 & will jump ship when the opportunity presents itself.
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Different career track, but you can always put in for an 1811 if one comes up.

Industry ops means you follow up with gun makers large and small with regulatory issues. Destroyed frames, compliance, production numbers, anti-diversion, etc. DEA had such people for schedule one prescription drugs.
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THIS. I believe the similar DEA position is Diverson Investigator. ATF IOIs are more like regulatory & compliance inspectors. Badge & Credentials, but no firearm, no LEAP or 6c. You'll spend all day in gun shops, w/FFLs, etc , or ammo manufacturers, depending on what types of businesses are in your service area. Travel varies by service area, depending on how far apart these entities are. In a bigger service area, you may have alot of 'windshield time', in a smaller area, less so, but maybe on/off a plane, etc. It's a good gig w/regular hrs, but alot of IOIs are looking for that next step, so attrition may mean adjutements to your woorkload, or getting passed over for the job if during the panel interview they sense you really want to be an 1811 & will jump ship when the opportunity presents itself.
Thanks, guys. That exactly the information I was looking for. While I'd love being an 1811 criminal investigator, I'm not really willing to move every few years and all. I like where I'm at, geographically. I think I'm going to put in for it in the next few days (it closes next Thursday) and see what happens.
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Blueiron, I thought schedule 1 drugs were unprescribable ( is this even a word?) by anyone.

Sorry continue with your discussion.
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Good luck CJ. Just because it doesn't have the LE thing going could mean some advantages in some ways. If you are looking to work higher than 57 years of age it might turn out well for you.

I have an acquaintance of mind who is thinking about going with US Courts dealing with probation and parole after he obtains his masters. He'll probably do that in about four years, as he is just finishing the last of his requirements for his bachelors. It too is a position where you don't have to get out at 57.

If you are interested in investigations maybe you should consider OIG.
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Think double hard about any change that takes you out of a 6c/12d retirement.

That said a guy who was in my office took the gig and moved to Idaho. From what I hear he likes it.
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Thanks, guys. All good stuff to think about.
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Blueiron, I thought schedule 1 drugs were unprescribable ( is this even a word?) by anyone.

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There are a few experimental synthetic opioids, hallucinogens, and the like. They are used in controlled studies and for experimental treatments. DEA licenses specific physicians and facilities to access them and detailed reports go to D/I to ensure they go where they are supposed to.
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CJ, Unless you know that you'd enjoy the stress of UC work, moves, and the constantly worried spouse and kids, I'd consider it. It has most of the work, without the many of the drawbacks.

The Congress keeps talking about reforming Fed retirements anyway, so unless you are over the half time hump, time wise, you'll likely see significant revisions to Fed retirements because of the decades of economic intransigence and inaction by the Executive and Legislative branches.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the LE fixed term retirement transform into a points based system. Even the military is looking at a minimum 25 year retirement and how that is going to affect recruiting, retention, and readiness.
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CJ, Unless you know that you'd enjoy the stress of UC work, moves, and the constantly worried spouse and kids, I'd consider it. It has most of the work, without the many of the drawbacks.

The Congress keeps talking about reforming Fed retirements anyway, so unless you are over the half time hump, time wise, you'll likely see significant revisions to Fed retirements because of the decades of economic intransigence and inaction by the Executive and Legislative branches.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the LE fixed term retirement transform into a points based system. Even the military is looking at a minimum 25 year retirement and how that is going to affect recruiting, retention, and readiness.
I heard all kinds of rumbling concerning fed retirement restructuring. I am sure it will be a subject of study regardless of who wins the election. I see the possibility of short term austerity measures to get us back towards being in the black.
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Well, I put in my app last night. We'll see how it goes!
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Well, I put in my app last night. We'll see how it goes!
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Thanks! I'm trying not to get my hopes up, as they're only hiring 25 I think nationwide (the announcement listed 25 openings, but over 40 locations; a wee bit confusing, but I think it's only 25 openings nationwide), and I don't have a degree, but we'll see what happens!
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CJ, Unless you know that you'd enjoy the stress of UC work, moves, and the constantly worried spouse and kids, I'd consider it. It has most of the work, without the many of the drawbacks.

The Congress keeps talking about reforming Fed retirements anyway, so unless you are over the half time hump, time wise, you'll likely see significant revisions to Fed retirements because of the decades of economic intransigence and inaction by the Executive and Legislative branches.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the LE fixed term retirement transform into a points based system. Even the military is looking at a minimum 25 year retirement and how that is going to affect recruiting, retention, and readiness.
Yeah, the moves and UC stuff is the main drawback to me for 1811-series jobs, especially with the big name agencies. I don't think I'd mind an OIG-type position that was fairly stable, though.
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Buddy of mine that used to be a LEO from my agency got that position out of OK. He loves it. Gunfighter is on the money about the description of the duties.
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