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Old 10-31-2012, 09:35   #1
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!*&^# Ubuntu!

Hello,

I have google this with no success. I know there are a few Linux guys here, so I thought I'd post and see if anyone could help.

I have decided to try Ubuntu on an old laptop. I went to the site, then tried to put Ubuntu on a jump drive. It appears that I am required to download and burn the .iso file first, then I can put it on a thumb drive. Is this correct?

I tried a program that said it would write to a jump drive for me, but it also appeared to need to "see" the .iso file.

Since my CD player is acting up, this need for the actual file is presenting a headache!

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Old 10-31-2012, 09:43   #2
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Try unetbootin.sourgeforge.com that should help you get the flash drive setup properly.
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Okay, I like the site. Here is a question.

I'm at work, using a desktop machine. I simply want to put something on the jump drive so I can use it later at home on the laptop.

Can I do that from the unetbootin site?

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Ubuntu's website is very very clear on how to do this.

I have to get ready to go to bed, but this should help.

First, download the appropriate Live CD ISO. You said old laptop, so I'm assuming 32bit.
http://mirror.pnl.gov/releases//prec...sktop-i386.iso

If 64bit:
http://mirror.yellowfiber.net/ubuntu...ktop-amd64.iso

Once that is downloaded (it's 700mb, so it will take a few minutes)

Simply follow these steps (make sure your thumb drive is at least 2gigs, and it WILL BE FORMATTED.. so make sure anything on there, is stored elsewhere)
http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/...ick-on-windows

Once PenDriveLinux is done making your USB, plug the USB into your laptop, and power on. Make sure your USB drive is set to be booted "first" in the BIOS settings of the laptop. When the menu pops up, choose "Try Ubuntu without Installing" (you can still install from this option if you want to)

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That's not an Ubuntu problem, that's a Windows problem.

And, no, you only have to burn to disk if you want to use it to boot off of and install. Since you want to boot off the USB drive you need to write the iso to a bootable USB. That's not the same as just dropping the file on the stick.

Try unetbootin, I've never had any luck with it. The easiest way to do it is probably to use the network installer, instructions HERE. Or HERE are the USB instructions. Try the network installer first.
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That's not an Ubuntu problem, that's a Windows problem.

And, no, you only have to burn to disk if you want to use it to boot off of and install. Since you want to boot off the USB drive you need to write the iso to a bootable USB. That's not the same as just dropping the file on the stick.

Try unetbootin, I've never had any luck with it. The easiest way to do it is probably to use the network installer, instructions HERE. Or HERE are the USB instructions. Try the network installer first.
DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT USE THE WUBI INSTALLER (wubi.exe) which won't work for you anyway, because if i recall, this laptop has no OS due to a hard drive replacement

Follow the instructions I put in my post, and you'll have a working, bootable USB. As long as the laptop is capable of booting a USB, it will boot fine.
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Thanks for all the tips.

I started to try the unetbootin option, then I read the comment that it didn't work; then I read IGF saying "don't do it!" Now trying IGF's suggestion. Please stand by!

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Okay, so I'm still doing something wrong.

I followed IGF's suggestion, but I'm still being asked to write an .iso file to a CD. My CD player IS NOT WORKING, so this is not an option.

I downloaded the file, then I clicked on it; a screen popped up that read, "windows disk image burner." This is where I get stuck! My CD drive does not work (again, I'm on a desktop at work, so it's not my machine).

HELP!

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I didn't say don't use unetbootin, I said don't use wubi (he gave you two links)

unetbootin works fine for what you want to do.

wubi, you'd mess something up on the PC you're working on most likely(thus why I stressed not to use wubi).

The instructions in my post are the official Ubuntu instructions.

OK, going to bed.
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Okay, so I'm still doing something wrong.

I followed IGF's suggestion, but I'm still being asked to write an .iso file to a CD. My CD player IS NOT WORKING, so this is not an option.

I downloaded the file, then I clicked on it; a screen popped up that read, "windows disk image burner." This is where I get stuck! My CD drive does not work (again, I'm on a desktop at work, so it's not my machine).

HELP!

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and you're still not listening.

Where did anyone say anything about clicking the ISO? Windows recognizes the ISO as a cd image, thus why you're getting a message to burn a CD when you click the ISO.

Have you successfully downloaded the ISO?
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I've used this successfully on net books with no cd drive.

http://www.linuxliveusb.com/
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I've used this successfully on net books with no cd drive.

http://www.linuxliveusb.com/
Please don't distract him... His problem is not the tools he is using, his problem is following instructions.

Jim.. have you successfully downloaded the ISO?
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and you're still not listening.

Where did anyone say anything about clicking the ISO? Windows recognizes the ISO as a cd image, thus why you're getting a message to burn a CD when you click the ISO.

Have you successfully downloaded the ISO?
Yes, I have the .iso on my desktop!
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Yes, I have the .iso on my desktop!
OK... now

Download PenDrive Linux, off the link I gave you... and follow those instructions exactly.

http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/...ick-on-windows
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OK... now

Download PenDrive Linux, off the link I gave you... and follow those instructions exactly.

http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/...ick-on-windows
Okay, got it downloaded. Which version of Ubuntu do you recommend for someone mildly retarded?
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Okay, got it downloaded. Which version of Ubuntu do you recommend for someone mildly retarded?
You already downloaded the ISO if you downloaded it from the link I put above. (you said you already have the ISO).... If you clicked the link in my previous post, then you have 12.04.

So choose 12.04 Desktop from the drop down menu
Click "Browse" and browse to the ISO you downloaded and select it.
Then choose your thumb drive from the drive selection.
Don't worry about where it says "persistence" just leave it at 0.

Then click OK, and you should see it creating the disk.
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Bingo!

Despite the degree of denseness I offer, it looks like I was able to follow your last round of instructions successfully! I will play with it tonight when I am home.

Thank you for all your help!

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Bingo!

Despite the degree of denseness I offer, it looks like I was able to follow your last round of instructions successfully! I will play with it tonight when I am home.

Thank you for all your help!

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No prob... Sorry if I sounded curt...I'm exhausted right now(i'm usually extremely patient, obviously my exhaustion got the better of me..)..lol.

I'm off tomorrow if you need some help poking around Ubuntu, getting wireless working, etc.

Now I'm really going to bed.

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Update

Brought laptop back from home after lunch. Just to be clear - this isn't the same Toshiba I mentioned in a previous thread where the hard drive was corrupt (got that one back - several bad sectors - going to buy a replacement drive and try to make ubuntu work on that one too). This is a Toshiba Satellite A135. It has a 1.73 GHz Intel CPU with 2 gig ram. Machine runs fine, just a bit slow. And, it has Vista on it - so I'm happy to make it my "learn Ubuntu" machine. Anyway, got the thumb drive ready to go, only to find out that this machine won't boot to a USB.

This project seems to be a continual headache! Maybe it's a sign I shouldn't try Ubuntu??

Guess I will download the .iso to this machine, then burn it to a CD, then install it from there. Just wanted to "try" rather than 100% commit right out of the gate.

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Granted its been a while since I've used Ubuntu but I believe their disks are Live CDs. Meaning you can boot it and run the OS from it to give it a shot.

It will be pretty slow though. Also you can use the system, but you can't do anything that would typically write to the hard drive like you could with a usb drive. Well I think it will let you do it, but since its all in ram when you reboot the changes are lost.

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DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT USE THE WUBI INSTALLER (wubi.exe) which won't work for you anyway, because if i recall, this laptop has no OS due to a hard drive replacement
I defer to your greater experience, but, out of curiosity, what's wrong with wubi? Given that he does have a working Windows OS on the machine.
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I defer to your greater experience, but, out of curiosity, what's wrong with wubi? Given that he does have a working Windows OS on the machine.
wubi integrates the two operating systems way to tightly (since Ubuntu basically ends up installed on a virtual drive that you can boot). When wubi works, everything is fine. When wubi doesn't work, it is a mess to fix, and honestly, rarely successful. Really the biggest problem, is when Windows has a problem(virus, or any other typical windows problem), it typically renders both OS's unable to boot, and in addition to all this, it makes windows more difficult to fix because of the way wubi writes to the boot loader. You talk to anyone who's ever been involved in support, etc.. for Ubuntu, and they'll tell you wubi was the worst idea Canonical ever came up with.

I think part of the issue also, was Canonical started wubi, as a way to try Ubuntu. It was easy to install, and should be easy to uninstall. The problem is, people started using wubi as a replacement for a normal dual boot system, and Canonical tried to adjust it to make it a more "permanent" solution, and then the problems started. Also, it's not uncommon when you uninstall wubi, for the boot sector to end up corrupt and the machine will then fail to boot Windows. Again, it doesn't happen all the time, but it definitely happens with enough frequency, I'd never ever recommend wubi.

On a normal dual boot machine, typically at least one of the operating systems will always bootable. The only way you'd really have an unbootable system, is in the event of a grub failure, and that can be fixed in about 5 seconds from a live cd/usb with the boot repair utility.

I've watched (and participated) in the support channel where guys have worked for HOURS trying to fix a bricked wubi install, only to finally say "Sorry, you're going to have to reinstall windows.. hopefully you have the cd" (because there's a good chance in this scenario, you won't be able to boot a recovery partition as well)

Sorry, that was way way longer than I'd intended, but.. Really, wubi is NOT the way to go when trying to install Ubuntu.

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Update

Brought laptop back from home after lunch. Just to be clear - this isn't the same Toshiba I mentioned in a previous thread where the hard drive was corrupt (got that one back - several bad sectors - going to buy a replacement drive and try to make ubuntu work on that one too). This is a Toshiba Satellite A135. It has a 1.73 GHz Intel CPU with 2 gig ram. Machine runs fine, just a bit slow. And, it has Vista on it - so I'm happy to make it my "learn Ubuntu" machine. Anyway, got the thumb drive ready to go, only to find out that this machine won't boot to a USB.

This project seems to be a continual headache! Maybe it's a sign I shouldn't try Ubuntu??

Guess I will download the .iso to this machine, then burn it to a CD, then install it from there. Just wanted to "try" rather than 100% commit right out of the gate.

Thanks again,

Jim
The CD is a live CD, so the OS runs from the CD for you to try it. If you don't like it, just reboot and remove the CD, and you're back in Windows like nothing ever happened.

I would be REALLY surprised if that machine does not have the ability to boot a USB device. That has been a feature on laptops for at least the last 10yrs (my old Acer laptop would be about 11yrs old and could boot USB's no problem)

Is "USB" not an available option in your boot sequence, or is there some other problem?
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No, i appreciate all the detail. I've done my server install aaton of times, but am still learning.
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The CD is a live CD, so the OS runs from the CD for you to try it. If you don't like it, just reboot and remove the CD, and you're back in Windows like nothing ever happened.

I would be REALLY surprised if that machine does not have the ability to boot a USB device. That has been a feature on laptops for at least the last 10yrs (my old Acer laptop would be about 11yrs old and could boot USB's no problem)

Is "USB" not an available option in your boot sequence, or is there some other problem?
IGF,

Thank you for taking the time to help me with the ongoing battle!

I was surprised that "usb" wasn't listed as an option in my boot order. I don't have the machine in front of me now, but the order was something like, "built-in (name of hard drive), CD, LAN, FDD." I tried the FDD and LAN (re-booting each time, with the thumb drive in place) to no avail.

A bit of google research resulted in learning that some Toshiba machines do not allow booting from a thumb drive. Lucky me!

If I want to try it from a CD, I would just need to download the .iso and burn it, correct? My gut says I have the .iso from yesterday (the one I clicked) - is my hunch correct?

Thanks again!

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