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Old 11-01-2012, 04:47   #1
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Suspenders

After spending 10 hours on my feet with my belt digging into my hips it is time to get suspenders for days like this.

What do you guys use?

Break away would be nice considering the way crowds can get on days like this.
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I bought the breakway (Uncle Mikes) and it broke away just in common use. I lso found the straps were too narrow. I ended up at Lowes and bougth carpenters suspenders. Large padded in a t confiduration. I ran it to bet keepers with D rings. comfortable now.
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Old 11-01-2012, 05:09   #3
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These are the original and still the best.

I first saw the cops out west wearing them on "COPS". Talked my lodge into fronting the money to buy sets for every officer. This was about 10 years ago, and almost everyone is still using their original set.

You will love them!

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Old 11-01-2012, 17:40   #4
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Yes, stick with Orca.

Whatever you do, stay away from the Blackhawk 2point harness. It's crap. Save the money and get the Orcas, or spend the cash and buy the Back Defenders if you need your suspenders concealed.
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Old 11-01-2012, 19:26   #5
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These are the original and still the best.

I first saw the cops out west wearing them on "COPS". Talked my lodge into fronting the money to buy sets for every officer. This was about 10 years ago, and almost everyone is still using their original set.

You will love them!

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Agreed. I bought some cheap ones on eBay. They worked ok, but the adjustability, and other features just weren't there. I ended up buying the Orca, and absolutely love them. I just wish I would have bought them first, and not wasted my money on the cheap ones.
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Old 11-01-2012, 19:31   #6
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http://www.backdefensesystems.com/

I worked with the guy in this video: http://www.backdefensesystems.com/category_s/42.htm
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Old 11-01-2012, 22:20   #7
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I wore suspenders on and off for the last several years. While I liked taking the weight off my hips I found it put some additional strain on my neck and wore an external vest to hide the suspenders.

About 3 months ago I was issued a Tactical Design Labs Comfort Panel to wear with my nylon duty belt and will never wear suspenders again. I don't feel any pain in my hips or lower back at all. I only wish I was able to get this sooner in my career.
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Old 11-01-2012, 22:37   #8
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I have the blackhawk rig. Been wearing it for a week or so now. Just took some time to get used to the changes I had to make in where my keepers went.
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Old 11-02-2012, 09:24   #9
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Yep! These are well worth the money and a great product. I've been wearing mine since the academy and once you wear them for a week or so you forget they're even on. Allows you to wear your belt looser so it isn't cranked down. Very comfortable when worn over body armor. 100% concealable and integrates 4 keepers into the system. The main reason these work so well is the overbuilt materials and the transfer of the weight off your hips onto your shoulders. I can send ya some pics if interested otherwise the link will answer most questions.


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Old 11-03-2012, 04:52   #10
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I've been wearing the Orcas for about 2 months now and love them. My agency issued me a POS Uncle Mike's belt that wouldn't stay tight so I tried the Orcas. I'm not hiking my belt and pants up every 5 minutes any more and the weight is off my hips so I feel like I can move better.
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Old 11-03-2012, 04:58   #11
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Whatever you do, stay away from the Blackhawk 2point harness. It's crap. Save the money and get the Orcas, or spend the cash and buy the Back Defenders if you need your suspenders concealed.
What don't you like about the Blackhawk harness? I'm asking, not arguing.
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Old 11-04-2012, 15:27   #12
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Another vote for Orca.

I've heard good things about Back Defender, too.
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Are the orcas compatible with leather belt keepers? Can I just hook my own d rings to them?


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Old 11-04-2012, 21:01   #14
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+1 on the Orca's. I have been wearing mine for about 5 years and cant say enough good things about them.
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Old 11-05-2012, 00:42   #15
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Are the orcas compatible with leather belt keepers? Can I just hook my own d rings to them?


" I was wondering what would break first; your spirit or your body."
I don't see any reason you could not, however since the suspenders are nylon, I don't think that the nylon keepers with leather belt look any better or worse than the nylon suspenders with leather belt.
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I don't see any reason you could not, however since the suspenders are nylon, I don't think that the nylon keepers with leather belt look any better or worse than the nylon suspenders with leather belt.
There's a solution to that! I'd wear it under my outer vest, maybe,


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Old 11-05-2012, 14:39   #17
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I improved my duty belt situation unknowingly when I bought the Shirt Lock belt. I purchased it as a replacement for my rubber Hidden Tailor belt to keep my shirt tucked in. What I found is the velcro that bonds to the pants and shirt works so well that the taught shirt prevents the pants and duty from riding down as far. It really helped the discomfort on a long day.

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Old 11-05-2012, 20:34   #18
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I have the blackhawk rig. Been wearing it for a week or so now. Just took some time to get used to the changes I had to make in where my keepers went.
You have this......

http://www.gtdist.com/ProductDetail....er=BH-44H0XXBK

.....? And you like it? I had mine for a year or more and never could stand it. For half the price the Orcas blow them away, but we're not allowed visible suspenders. Instead I just ditched them and went back to no support until I can get the Back Defenders.

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What don't you like about the Blackhawk harness? I'm asking, not arguing.
The 2 points aren't enough to properly balance the belt. If you have even a couple of ounces more on the front than the back, or vice versa, it tilts, unless you really tighten it. But then one of the points of the suspenders is to be able to comfortable loosen your belt to be gentler on your back. If you like your handcuffs up front, you better shuffle some weight to the back to balance it.

Also, the 2 points of contact are always directly underneath the center line of the shoulder, directly underneath the armpit. Some of us are built thicker, meaning the center line of our shoulders aren't exactly the center line of our body, meaning our keepers attached at the 3:30 and 8:30 rather than at 3 and 9. Again, making belt balance an issue. If you have even the slightest barrel chest, the harness will always be off balance. We noticed this with multiple officers. Skinny little bitty guys wore them fine. Anyone that wasn't anorexic had issues.

The fact that it comes and hooks up underneath your armpit was uncomfortable as well.

Then there are the side adjustments straps. They slipped at the drop of a hat. Any hat.

The cheap little square loops that attach the shoulder straps to the center piece always spun vertically, loosening things up. I ended up taking them off and replacing them with round key rings. For .50c I greatly improved the harness.

If I had the desire I could've modified the Blackhawks to work better, but I didn't pay $65 to have to do it myself.

Here is what I was talking about with the balance issues:

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Are the orcas compatible with leather belt keepers? Can I just hook my own d rings to them?


" I was wondering what would break first; your spirit or your body."
If your looking for leather, you can always go with a pair from Boston Leather.

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No personal experience with them, but they look like they are well made and would fit the bill.
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I have the Orcas and have fought to get them approved.

Now that we are going to Blauer everything, I'm gonna fight to get these approved.

http://www.blauer.com/law-enforcemen...ystem-174.html
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I have the Orcas and have fought to get them approved.

Now that we are going to Blauer everything, I'm gonna fight to get these approved.

http://www.blauer.com/law-enforcemen...ystem-174.html
Those look nice, but how/why are they better than the Orcas, for more money? Maybe it's because I've never seen them in person. Is it because the back straps are spread out further rather than closer together?

I find myself looking at these and wondering if I could modify my shirts to wear these concealed. It might be worth sacrificing a shirt for the experiment.

If you get these approved, feel free to ship a brutha your old Orcas. I'm not above accepting hand me downs.
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The 2 points aren't enough to properly balance the belt. If you have even a couple of ounces more on the front than the back, or vice versa, it tilts, unless you really tighten it. But then one of the points of the suspenders is to be able to comfortable loosen your belt to be gentler on your back. If you like your handcuffs up front, you better shuffle some weight to the back to balance it. ---SNIP----
Thanks S.O. Interceptor. I appreciate the heads up on the Blackhawk suspenders.
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Didn't know about the orcas and I was desperate to get some weight offMy hips. I originally had to have my inter belt tight and my duty belt tight,with 4 keepers. Now both my belts are loosened and I use two keepers. My belt is pretty well balanced and the keepers,well help keep the belt level.
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