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Old 11-05-2012, 14:13   #21
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The rightwingers accuse us of throwing our votes away and let Obama win because we're not astute enough to understand how American politics work, and that we're naive.

The leftwingers accuse us of throwing our votes away and let Romney win because we're not astute enough to understand how American politics work, and that we're naive.

Yet neither the rightwingers nor the leftwingers agree that they're two faces of the same coin.

Oh, the humanity and the irony!!!
It isn't irony - in fact it's pretty simple and probably just barely over your head.

1. You are throwing your vote away.
2. You are helping the one of the two major parties that you dislike the most.

If you HAD to vote and their were only the D and R candidates, which would you choose? If it's Obama, then your third party vote helps Romney, if it would be Romney, then your third party vote helps Obama.

You can spend all day examining 2 + 2, but it's still going to end up being 4, no matter what you call it.
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Old 11-05-2012, 14:16   #22
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Voting isn't a sports contest. It is one of the most sacred things we can do in our republic. Vote your conscience and don't worry about all the dems and repubs that want their guy to win so that they feel all warm and toasty inside.

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost."

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Old 11-05-2012, 14:22   #23
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Why party trumps person......

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Old 11-05-2012, 14:24   #24
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Third-party voters remind me of the plain, sturdy women who you inevitably hear laughing too loudly at night clubs. They just want some attention. Eric
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Old 11-05-2012, 14:27   #25
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What, bored and need a little trolling to pass time?
Nope. I did my absentee ballot.

My aunt asked me who I voted for and then accused me of throwing my vote away and by default voted Obama in.

My adopted family asked who I voted for and then accused me of throwing my vote away and by default voted Romney in.

I just find political partisanship utterly hilarious in that insane way.
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Old 11-05-2012, 14:28   #26
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If you HAD to vote and their were only the D and R candidates, which would you choose? .
Why would I HAVE to? This is America, isn't it?
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Old 11-05-2012, 14:29   #27
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Those people aren't dissatisfied with both parties like we are, only the other party. They are shoved firmly up one party or the other's arse and tow that party's line and they expect you to do the same. Doesn't even matter if they're basically the same guy like this time around. All that matters to them is that R or D after the guy's name. They're just like rabid football fans. When their side wins they jump and cheer as if they had something to do with it and it's partly their accomplishment and when they lose they analyze every aspect of what happened looking for excuses and foul plays and anything else they can use to reconcile having backed the loser the whole time

And when you don't tow their party's line they can't think of anything to say except to call you a socialist or a fascist or a troll and spew dire warnings of what will happen if their guy doesn't win the election... every election. Yet each time nothing changes no matter who wins. Pretty much speaks to the single minded nature of their thought processes... if they even have one.
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Old 11-05-2012, 14:40   #28
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Third-party voters remind me of the plain, sturdy women who you inevitably hear laughing too loudly at night clubs. They just want some attention. Eric
And they do get the attention and the action while the pretty chicks are too prissy to get anything done. While waiting for their princes on white horses, of course.
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Old 11-05-2012, 14:48   #29
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And they do get the attention and the action while the pretty chicks are too prissy to get anything done. While waiting for their princes on white horses, of course.

So, you support beer goggles and throwaway votes? To each his own. Eric
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I see open hostility between them in congress. They get NOTHING accomplished in a way of a budget or helping the economy.

The Republicans and Democrats openly divide this nation. There is no unity from either party.
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Old 11-05-2012, 14:52   #31
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Nope. I'm tired of being lied to, ignored, suckered, and swindled out of my rights and money by BOTH the "popular" parties. I'm tired of losing fellow countrymen to unconstitutional wars.

Time for something different. Someone not controlled by special interests. The solution really is simple.

If you guys want to waste your votes on either the "Sharp Stick in the Eye", or the "Kick to the Nads" that's your right. I really don't get it, but hey, if it makes you feel good...
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Old 11-05-2012, 14:58   #32
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Also, interesting you should say this. I guess you're right. I'll just vote Federalist since the parties will never change.
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If all 300 million Americans voted Libertarian, Federalist or SpongeBob, the one remaining Republican voter would still be screaming, "You all are throwing away your votes unless you vote for MY guy!"
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So, you support beer goggles and throwaway votes? To each his own. Eric
Large girls need love too. And I'd throw my vote away before voting for a Democrat or a Republican.
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You buy a lottery ticket. You have to check five numbers between 1 and 50. You write in "75, 98, 123, -1, Pi". What do you expect to win?
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It isn't irony - in fact it's pretty simple and probably just barely over your head.

1. You are throwing your vote away.
2. You are helping the one of the two major parties that you dislike the most.

If you HAD to vote and their were only the D and R candidates, which would you choose? If it's Obama, then your third party vote helps Romney, if it would be Romney, then your third party vote helps Obama.

You can spend all day examining 2 + 2, but it's still going to end up being 4, no matter what you call it.
If your only choice was a vote for Hermann Göring or Adolf Hitler, who would you vote for?
I cannot vote for the lessor of two evils. Neither is a good choice. If voting for what I feel is best for this country is futile, then I will go to my grave fighting the good fight, and with a clear conscious.
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Old 11-05-2012, 15:10   #36
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Why would I HAVE to? This is America, isn't it?
That isn't the point and since the point was too simple to miss, I assume you are just trying to make a joke of the obvious.
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Old 11-05-2012, 15:10   #37
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Voting for a third party candidate in a lost cause is a waste.

If there is ever to become a viable third party, they better start organizing and raising a few billion dollars and getting their message across now so they could have some sort of chance to make an impact in four years.

Waiting for election day and throwing your vote away instead of voting for the lesser of two evils may make one feel warm and fuzzy but it has no more effect than not voting at all.
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Old 11-05-2012, 15:11   #38
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That isn't the point and since the point was too simple to miss, I assume you are just trying to make a joke of the obvious.
I refused to play your game because your point was stupid.

I don't have to choose between any two specific parties.
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Waiting for election day and throwing your vote away instead of voting for the lesser of two evils may make one feel warm and fuzzy but it has no more effect than not voting at all.
And how does voting for the lesser of two evils have been working out for you and the rest of America?
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If your only choice was a vote for Hermann Göring or Adolf Hitler, who would you vote for?
I cannot vote for the lessor of two evils. Neither is a good choice. If voting for what I feel is best for this country is futile, then I will go to my grave fighting the good fight, and with a clear conscious.
If either Goering or Hitler was going to win the election, no matter what, I'd figure out which was the least harmful and vote for him (probably Hitler).

Acting like a spoiled child isn't going to change the fact that one of them is going to win.

Some people recognize facts, accept responsibility and take action. Most just try to duck the responsibility. It is a cowardly way out and voting third party is just one of many examples that.
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