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Old 11-04-2012, 12:44   #1
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What 1911 is this??

Traded a ruger p95 for this 1911 today at a local gunshow! No markings what so ever on it besides the serial number?

http://imageshack.us/a/img203/8030/2...4143531150.jpg

http://imageshack.us/photo/photo/267/20121104143549247.jpg

It has what appears to be a GI frame? Because it has the lanyard ring on the bottom of the fram by the magwell. But it doesnt have any slide markings or anything. And has hogue grips . Thats it. Any help is appreciated!


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Old 11-04-2012, 14:09   #2
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Traded a ruger p95 for this 1911 today at a local gunshow! No markings what so ever on it besides the serial number?

http://imageshack.us/a/img203/8030/2...4143531150.jpg

http://imageshack.us/photo/photo/267...4143549247.jpg

It has what appears to be a GI frame? Because it has the lanyard ring on the bottom of the fram by the magwell. But it doesnt have any slide markings or anything. And has hogue grips . Thats it. Any help is appreciated!


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How did any paperwork get done without a brand name?

The picture was of no help.

You traded a Ruger p-95 for it? No brand?

Sounds like a kitchen table Franken11
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Old 11-04-2012, 14:19   #3
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No paperwork required at the gun show. Yep traded a decently used P95 blued for it. The guy said it was a rock arsenal. Which I am guessing he meant Rock Island. Got the pistol, 6 mags, holster and ammo for it, so figured I would take a chance on it. FWIW I shot it a little bit ago and it works flawlessly lol...
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Old 11-04-2012, 14:31   #4
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No paperwork required at the gun show. Yep traded a decently used P95 blued for it. The guy said it was a rock arsenal. Which I am guessing he meant Rock Island. Got the pistol, 6 mags, holster and ammo for it, so figured I would take a chance on it. FWIW I shot it a little bit ago and it works flawlessly lol...
Hmm I don't keep up with the latest trends so i don't know who is making 1911s without putting their names on them but I know that slides are available, most from the Phillipines, that lack markings. But that photo wasn't much to go on.


Of course I have always held, since the first time I built a 1911 from parts decades ago, that it didn't take a ton of money to build a 1911 that would work. I recently helped a young man in my neighborhood do just that.
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Old 11-04-2012, 14:37   #5
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The full name is Rock Island Arsenal so I assume it's them. They go $3-400 new, yours, not as much.


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Old 11-04-2012, 14:48   #6
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The logo on the grip doesn't look like that of Rock Island Arsenal. I couldn't read it but there may be a clue in that grip.

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Old 11-04-2012, 14:48   #7
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That's true, but grips can be changed.

I found this article:

http://www.gundigest.com/gun-collecting-firearm-collecting/1911-before-the-great-war/3

The gun in the photo has similar markings for it's serial number. It doesn't mentioned the brand but just states the photo is courtesy of Rock Island Auctions.

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Old 11-04-2012, 15:17   #8
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Hmmm I am guessing it is a franken rock island then. The logo on the grip is hogue. They are aftermarket hogue grips. Its really only going to be used as a range/fun gun anyways. Not going to be carried or anything. So I am not too upset about it. I was just curious on if anyone had any ideas on it.

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Old 11-04-2012, 15:28   #9
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It should be a good range gun, let us know how it performs. Although now you have to spend more money on .45 ACP lol.


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Old 11-04-2012, 15:33   #10
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That is not a Rock Island Armory.
Take the grips off, any markings under there?
Never seen one without maker markings. Most likely a Franken-pistol
from the seventies. I would have kept the Ruger.
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Old 11-04-2012, 15:39   #11
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That's true, but grips can be changed.

I found this article:

http://www.gundigest.com/gun-collect...he-great-war/3

The gun in the photo has similar markings for it's serial number. It doesn't mentioned the brand but just states the photo is courtesy of Rock Island Auctions.

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The 1911 in the article is a 1911 model. The OP has a 1911A1 model frame.
It is not even close,......Rock Island Auctions is a Auction House
not a firearms manufacturer!
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Old 11-04-2012, 15:49   #12
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Lol, I was just doing Google image search of 1911s in order to find one that has similar serial number markings as the OP. I stated in my post that the article does not state the make of that particular 1911. No need to yell! Haha.


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Old 11-04-2012, 16:12   #13
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Under the right side grip there is a stamp that says A.R. sales co
So. Monte CA.
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Under the right side grip there is a stamp that says A.R. sales co
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This link may help you: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=107989


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Old 11-04-2012, 16:52   #15
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.......... No need to yell! Haha.


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Old 11-04-2012, 16:55   #16
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Lol!

Reminds me of this:

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Old 11-04-2012, 17:00   #17
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No markings what so ever on it besides the serial number.
It's obviously an early model NN made by Guncrafter Industries...
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Old 11-04-2012, 18:23   #18
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Looks like the start of a custom 1911. LOL
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Old 11-04-2012, 18:26   #19
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How did any paperwork get done without a brand name?
I bought an old, unmarked Mauser style rifle. They listed it as Unidentified.
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Old 11-04-2012, 18:58   #20
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I bought an old, unmarked Mauser style rifle. They listed it as Unidentified.
I realize that category exists but I have a hard time thinking about trading a Ruger off on a 1911 that fits in that category, unless I knew a lot about 1911s and REALLY wanted one.

I'm glad it turned out well for the OP. I might have gambled and bought it outright as a build base.
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Old 11-04-2012, 19:20   #21
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FWIW I shot it a little bit ago and it works flawlessly lol...

Shoot it often and enjoy!
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Old 11-04-2012, 20:26   #22
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Under the right side grip there is a stamp that says A.R. sales co So. Monte CA.
A.R. Sales was an aftermarket supplier in the 1970s.
You probably have a gun made up of military surplus parts with the slide roll marks removed on an inexpensive commercial frame.

If it shoots well, enjoy; but it is not worth a whole lot of money. Exactly as much as a Ruger P95.
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I had a P95 that I paid $300 for, so I guess you got a fair trade and an upgrade in the caliber department.


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Shoot it, have fun, then use it as a base to build a nice gun. Rugers are not that expensive, you had your fun with the ruger so you really did not do too bad. If you decide not to build it up then it would make a good boat gun etc.
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