Home Forums Classifieds Blogs Today's Posts Search Social Groups



  
SIGN-UP
Notices

Glock Talk
Welcome To The Glock Talk Forums.

 
  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-22-2012, 14:02   #1
jeffreybehr
GAPist #1944
 
jeffreybehr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Phoenix, AZ USA
Posts: 777
Winchester v. CCI small-pistol primers

Since I returned to reloading several years ago, this time for pistols only, I've used Winchester, CCI, and Federal primers, both Small and Large Pistol. They've all performed perfectly in my Glocks, with nary a failure, and perhaps because they're more easily available locally (at Bruno's), I've been using only Winchester SPs in my 357SIG loads the last couple years.

I read and posted in a recent primer-quality thread where several people complained of poor functioning of Winchesters; my comment was that I've used many thousands of WSPs with NO negative results.

So finally a question--from perspectives of reliability and performance, have you experienced ANY differences between Winchester and CCI SP primers?

I ask because CCIs from Powder Valley are significantly less expensive than Winchesters from Bruno's.
__________________
An EDC S&W M&P .45ACP. A dozen Glocks sold. NRA life member.
"If lethal force is warranted and appropriate under the circumstances, the" (defender) "must shoot until the threat ceases." Pinizzotto, Kern, and Davis, FBI Academy.
jeffreybehr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2012, 14:35   #2
dkf
Senior Member
 
dkf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 4,537
All I use are CCI primers.
dkf is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2012, 14:52   #3
Three-Five-Seven
Señor Mombo
 
Three-Five-Seven's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Tucson
Posts: 3,297
If your gun is tuned with springs strong enough to set off CCI primers, then that's your huckleberry. CCI quality control is unsurpassed by any other company.

I have experienced FTF problems with Winchester primers, so I no longer use them for anything other than practice.

Most people I shoot with use Federal. But, most of those guys have highly tuned firearms that will not reliably set off any other brand.
__________________
That I could be wrong is an eventuality that has not escaped me. I just painted the pictures as I saw them. I do not know how to do anything else. (Saint Elmer, 1955)
Three-Five-Seven is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2012, 18:02   #4
SJ 40
Senior Member
 
SJ 40's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Vermont
Posts: 7,190
My first choice for primers is Federal
second choice CCI
third choice Remington
I will not even purchase winchester, Ever again PERIOD SJ 40
SJ 40 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2012, 18:12   #5
Colorado4Wheel
Senior Member
 
Colorado4Wheel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: CO
Posts: 14,330
I have had issues with Remington. Never uses Winchester. I have used a lot of CCI with never a issue. Just bought another 30,000.
__________________
Steve
Colorado4Wheel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2012, 19:31   #6
WiskyT
Malcontent
 
WiskyT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 11,764
I've never had a problem with Winchester primers. I doubt most threads about "primer quality". 99% of the problems are from reloaders not seating primers sufficiently. Unless a complaint about primers comes from someone known to me as being reliable, I blow it off.

And no, just because someone says they seated them "below flush" doesn't mean they were seated all the way. I had a problem a couple of years back with failures to fire on the first go around. I couldn't figure it out, several guns and calibers all the same, using WW primers fromn a case I had not had problems with. The primers were "below flush" and I bent over backwards to ensure full pressure on the handle was being applied. On the gazillionth time I stripped the shell carrier to look for some type of problem, I finally found it. The carrier was cracked. It looked like a part line from a mold, so I hadn't thought it was a crack. Once I replaced the carrier, all was well again.
__________________
Drugs are bad because if you do drugs you're a hippie and hippies suck.
Eric Cartman


"If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting."-General Curtis E. LeMay
WiskyT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2012, 19:39   #7
dvrdwn72
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,275
my first choice is cci, then federal, winchester if its the only thing available.
dvrdwn72 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2012, 19:56   #8
Kwesi
Senior Member
 
Kwesi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: TX
Posts: 1,557
I've used more Win SPP & LPP's more than CCI's. I have had a handful of the Win LPP's not ignite on the first try. Most did on the 2nd try. WhiskyT has me curious if my seating depth was the issue. Most were in the same box of 50. I have had a few, though not as many, CCI's not ignite on the first attempt. I happen to currently have mostly Win but recently picked up a bunch of S&B's and CCI's.

WiskyT: if they feel flush how would I determine if I'm seating incorrectly?
Kwesi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2012, 20:35   #9
dkf
Senior Member
 
dkf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 4,537
Quote:
WiskyT: if they feel flush how would I determine if I'm seating incorrectly?
Got a decent caliper with the depth rod on it?

Measure the depth of the primer pocket with no primer. Measure the thickness of the primer. Subtract the primer thickness from the depth of the primer pocket and that should get you in the ballpark of how far the seated primer should be below the back of the case head.
dkf is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2012, 21:22   #10
WiskyT
Malcontent
 
WiskyT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 11,764
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwesi View Post

WiskyT: if they feel flush how would I determine if I'm seating incorrectly?
If they go off on the first try


It has to be done by feel IMO. you can't feel the primer stopping on a progressive. You can feel it start, but you can't feel it stop. You feel the carrier stop, but not the primer itself. At least on the Pro1000 and 650 that I have.

On a SS you can feel the primer stop. On my RCBS partner I can not only feel the primer stopping, but I can go beyond that and deform it if I go to heavy on it. It's the same way with my RCBS hand primer, I can make them look like they are all flattened out. that's no good either because the priming compound is brittle and it can break and fall out of position which will render the primer useless.

So, on a progressive, I just put firm pressure on the handle and hope for the best. The only time I've had a problem was when the carrier on the Pro1000 was cracked. It must have been flexing just enough to cause some FF.
__________________
Drugs are bad because if you do drugs you're a hippie and hippies suck.
Eric Cartman


"If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting."-General Curtis E. LeMay
WiskyT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2012, 22:34   #11
Colorado4Wheel
Senior Member
 
Colorado4Wheel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: CO
Posts: 14,330
They need to be fully seated. Primers and primer pockets very in size. Just push hard and your done. That is below flush a decent amount in my experience.
__________________
Steve
Colorado4Wheel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2012, 02:21   #12
DWARREN123
Grumpy Old Guy
 
DWARREN123's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: CLARKSVILLE TN
Posts: 4,168
I always go with CCI for SPP or LPP. Second is a tie between all others. I have never had a problem with CCI primers that were caused by the primers.
__________________
Have a Nice Day
DWARREN123 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2012, 07:30   #13
Kentguy
Senior Member
 
Kentguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Kent, OH
Posts: 990
jefferybehr,

I have use CCI, Federal, Remington & Winchester in many of my load tests and I can only remember just a very few every misfiring. All were because of primer pocket/seating issues, and 1 or 2 Remington "no-go's".

I currently use Federal/CCI only because of availability, when I went to put my last bulk order in these two brands were in abundance and the other two were not. Between these two, I have enough primers to keep me happy for some time and to date, with this last batch, I have had not issues with either brand.

To your original point between Winchester & CCI - flip a coin... mine came up heads which was CCI.
__________________
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"
—Rudyard Kipling

Last edited by Kentguy; 11-23-2012 at 07:31..
Kentguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2012, 07:53   #14
HexHead
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 4,818
I've used both. And the only difference I can find is the primer feed on my 550 seems to prefer CCI over Winchester.
HexHead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2012, 17:34   #15
jr05
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 859
I have only used Remington primers up to this point, but the last time I bought primers at Powder Valley I just went with Winchester SP, got quite a few of them, hopefully they work out well.

I have loaded up a few hundred of them so far and they have functioned without any issues. If anything, I am getting a bump up in FPS with these primers compared to my Remington data, but they may just be temperature difference on the test days.
jr05 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2012, 18:32   #16
Kwesi
Senior Member
 
Kwesi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: TX
Posts: 1,557
I get +30 FPS with Win LPP's.
Kwesi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2012, 20:24   #17
njl
Senior Member
 
njl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: :noitacoL
Posts: 9,499
I've almost entirely used CCI so far. I've sampled Magtech and Wolf LP.

I just picked up quantities of Fiocchi SP and Federal LP. I've loaded some rounds with them, but not been to the range with them yet. Loading the Federals, I don't know if it was just coincidence, or what, but I had one or more primers turn sideways and jam in the Dillon pickup tube tip (a few primers in). I ended up removing the tip, dumping the loose ones out, and still had to poke one last one out.

The Fiocchi and Federals seem to seat well enough. I remember when I loaded some Wolf LP, they were definitely more work to seat.

I'll update here in a few days when I've tested the above mentioned ammo/primers.
__________________
what guns?
Lifetime GSSF & NRA.
njl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2012, 21:06   #18
Jayman
Big Dummy
 
Jayman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Chantilly, VA
Posts: 1,862
Send a message via AIM to Jayman
I too have had some issues with Winchester primers, although it was early in my reloading career and so maybe I was at fault? That said, I have had excellent results with CCI and Federal both.
Jayman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2012, 21:24   #19
JBnTX
JB in Tx
 
JBnTX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Texas
Posts: 14,595
I've used Winchester large and small pistol, and small rifle primers for many years and I've never had a problem.
JBnTX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2012, 00:50   #20
sns3guppy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,865
I've long used CCI, but they're getting harder to pick up, and I've been finding more Federal.
sns3guppy is offline   Reply With Quote

 
  
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 22:36.




Homepage
FAQ
Forums
Calendar
Advertise
Gallery
GT Wiki
GT Blogs
Social Groups
Classifieds


Users Currently Online: 1,084
278 Members
806 Guests

Most users ever online: 2,672
Aug 11, 2014 at 2:31