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Old 11-08-2012, 12:23   #181
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Quite smoking dope and you might remember things like that.

But, you know what they are, right?
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:37   #182
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It's quite simple, erratic driving/MVA = drug recognition expert + field sobriety test= PC for.. Crap, what's the term for obtaining evidence from the body called? Anyway, search warrant for blood sample. Positive for any impairing substance = jail time upon conviction.

Non- testimonial court order, that's it. No I haven't been rocking the ganj, just out of the swing of things.
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:37   #183
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But, you know what they are, right?
I'm not even going to try. Even if the audience was open minded & willing to partake in a spirit of openness/cooperation, they are so uninformed on the topic of DUI law/enforcement it would be near impossible to have reasoned discourse.
Add to that they know so much that simply isn't true...

A drawing point to leave on. My state (MN) treats marijuana DUI differently than any other controlled substance DUI. It's a much tougher burden to get a mj DUI than an alcohol DUI or opiate/loratab/script/coke DUI. If you're interested Google MN State Statutes & start with chapter 169A

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Old 11-08-2012, 12:55   #184
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Well, then you finally see my point.

So, now that we are back to where we started, how do you keep people from driving while impaired after marijuana use?
You can't. Just like you can't keep drunks from driving. Just like you can't keep felons from obtaining fire arms.

Laws don't prevent behavior, they just punish those caught and you hope they act as a deterrent.

Heck, prescription pain killers are a bigger problem now with driving than drunks. How do you stop that? You don't. You deal with it. It's called life on planet earth and idiots will always be idiots.
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:56   #185
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You can't. Just like you can't keep drunks from driving. Just like you can't keep felons from obtaining fire arms.

Laws don't prevent behavior, they just punish those caught and you hope they act as a deterrent.

Heck, prescription pain killers are a bigger problem now with driving than drunks. How do you stop that? You don't. You deal with it. It's called life on planet earth and idiots will always be idiots.
Okay, what are the legal standards for DWI or DUI for marijuana?
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Old 11-08-2012, 13:41   #186
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The data is clear: MJ users have a significantly higher incident of vegicle accidents, workplace accidents, and workplace injuries.
Really?

I'd like to see this data you claim to have.



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Old 11-08-2012, 13:45   #187
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YNS. The way LEOs on Glocktalk present arguments really seems to shine a light on how effing stupid they think people are.

They think that for one reason - experience.

Like the GNG Lounge, the world of law enforcement is a constant exercise in dealing with and assisting stupid people.
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"A provider of free online auto insurance quotes says it has conducted a study that concludes marijuana uses are safer drivers."

http://m.propertycasualty360.com/201...-safer-drivers

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Old 11-08-2012, 14:07   #189
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For any impairment while operating a motor vehicle, you have to show a mix of SFSTs, poor driving, physical behaviors exhibited and finally, the scientific test (which is usually challenged by defense attorneys). Impairment via narcotics while driving will be handled as before: DRE and blood tests.

However, what has been lacking in Washington state is how much THC constitutes impairment as defined by both scientists and the state. Now that the law is passed, it will be up to a gaggle of scientists, supporters, attorneys and the state to come to a standard deemed appropriate.

Considering how truly screwed up the Washington state legislature is when coming to making coherent laws, it will be awhile.

And, the law, for all it was touted to be, won't slow illegal marijuana production. The law for Washington will go through several evolutions and be tinkered with for some time to come. It is a start, not the end all and certainly a panacea.
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I didn't say whether it should be legalized or not, I asked, how you would enforce DUI with marijuana. You said, someone will figure out something.
Actually I presented two options, the first of which is simply to continue enforcing drugged driving laws as they currently exist.

The second choice would be to do away with current per se laws and decide upon a more reasonable intoxication level as is the case with alcohol.

"Someone will figure something out" is a grossly oversimplified and completely intellectually dishonest representation of my position.

Shame on you.

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Old 11-08-2012, 15:18   #191
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Actually I presented two options, the first of which is simply to continue enforcing drugged driving laws as they currently exist.

The second choice would be to do doing away with current per se laws and decide upon a more reasonable intoxication level as is the case with alcohol.

So no, I never said "someone will figure out something" and that is an intellectually dishonest representation of my position.
Whatever. Sorry, I've lost interest.
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...the world of law enforcement is a constant exercise in dealing with and assisting stupid people.
...and then you graduate from the academy.


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Okay, what are the legal standards for DWI or DUI for marijuana?
Depends on the state, duh.
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Old 11-08-2012, 15:21   #194
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Whatever. Sorry, I've lost interest.
So incredibly convenient.
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Old 11-08-2012, 15:21   #195
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imho:

The "feds must be challenged" guys are well, the kind of people who just want to see the world burn.

The "Yay liberal argument".... well, you're an idiot.

Quality of life just took a huge dump.... Seriously, no racial profiling here just talking truth, I can't wait for "Tron" to be on the corner blazing up and acting a fool or Tatiayna to rear end someone with her 28" spinners because her 11 babies were crying in the back seat and she lost her grasp on reality for a moment due to some plant.


Third worlds are looking better and better by the minute...

Woosah.
*facepalm* the face of blind ignorance right here.

Colorado and Washington just took a major leap in guaranteeing ACTUAL personal freedom among Americans. Any real American would be proud.
Not to mention this whole pathetic doomsday mentality that there's going to be a pandemic of stoned driving accidents is ****ing retarded and very much deserving of the silent facepalm meme.

Anyone with any actual experience driving blazed knows that bud typically only makes you paranoid as hell while driving and thus a safer driver. I can't tell you how many times driving as a kid I was almost crushed in my 93 corolla by some dip **** who was SOBER but not paying attention/texting/just being a typical dip ****; Funny thing is I pretty much never drove as a kid unless I was blazed and yet I was able to avoid every single one of those accidents.

To this day I havnt stopped that 'threat to society' habit and to this day I've yet to be in a collision. This is personal experience, not blind bias.

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imho:

The "feds must be challenged" guys are well, the kind of people who just want to see the world burn.

The "Yay liberal argument".... well, you're an idiot.

Quality of life just took a huge dump.... Seriously, no racial profiling here just talking truth, I can't wait for "Tron" to be on the corner blazing up...
Its currently legal to drink, that doesn't mean you can drink in public anywhere you want.

Same with marijuana.

Someone is an idiot, that's for sure.

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If we allow adults to own guns the streets will flow red with blood.
If we allow adults to consume narcotics like alcohol or marijuana the streets will be full of stoned and drunk drivers.
If we allow gays to marry, people will start marrying animals next.

All of these arguments follow the same stupid logic.
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I foresee an surge of DUII drugs and related crashes. Since it is now legal in these places more people will smoke and drive, just like alcohol. Any judiciary savings from dropping PCS/DCS will be negated by these increased DUII arrests. I think its a poor idea.
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I foresee an surge of DUII drugs and related crashes. Since it is now legal in these places more people will smoke and drive, just like alcohol. Any judiciary savings from dropping PCS/DCS will be negated by these increased DUII arrests. I think its a poor idea.
A study came out last year that demonstrated that areas which had relaxed their marijuana laws saw a decrease in traffic fatalities.

The hypothesis being that people were forgoing alcohol in favor of marijuana, leading to less serious accidents.

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I foresee an surge of DUII drugs and related crashes. Since it is now legal in these places more people will smoke and drive, just like alcohol. Any judiciary savings from dropping PCS/DCS will be negated by these increased DUII arrests. I think its a poor idea.
Yeah, except like I already said, weed only makes you a more cautious driver with an augmented sense of awareness. You might be dumb when you're stoned, but when you're stoned and driving, your brain knows what it needs to do.

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