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Old 11-07-2012, 03:42   #51
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obama will "fix" the federal law wont he?
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:47   #52
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BTW, I asked all my Pt.s while I worked in a prison, what drug they started with. They all, to the man said MJ. I don't smoke, it gave me wicked headaches. But I really don't care what you put into yours. Just don't come whining when the check is due for partaking.
I believe you. However, just because everyone that used "hard" drugs started on marijuana does not mean that everybody that uses marijuana moves on to "hard" drugs.
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:07   #53
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I believe you. However, just because everyone that used "hard" drugs started on marijuana does not mean that everybody that uses marijuana moves on to "hard" drugs.
If one wanted to do the homework, I would wager that nearly every mass-shooting in this country was carried out by someone who learned to shoot with a .22,
Would banning .22 caliber weapons have prevented these crimes? Clearly not. Making the same stretch regarding MJ and heroin is a similar thought process.
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:49   #54
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Now we'll see if the governors and legislatures will stand up to the feral goons who'll try and use the feral law trump card.
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Old 11-07-2012, 05:08   #55
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Tobacco plant. Cannabis plant. Opium plant. Coca plant.

The whole "it's just a plant" thing is a naive argument. The fact that it is a PLANT does not make a difference, it is the effects you should be arguing.
The effects were always me and my friends would spend hours on end jamming and recording in a garage. I'm sorry you view beautiful things like creating music as some sort of threat to society.

That being said, I'm extatic about these new laws in both states not just because MJ opens the mind, but because it's a giant leap towards REAL freedom in the form of less Goverment and more individual responsibility.

Also, totally tempted to pack up our gear and roadtrip to Seattle just for the heck of it.

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Old 11-07-2012, 05:17   #56
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It's still illegal on the Federal level as it should be.

What the states want to do or pretend to pass into law hold no weight on the Federal level when it comes to this topic.

Until they get it changed on the Federal level, they're breaking the law.

I can't wait for the DEA to clean house!

And this right here is why there won't ever be peace on this planet. Too many people with closed minds towards anything that isn't familiar to them.

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Old 11-07-2012, 06:34   #57
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What the states want to do or pretend to pass into law hold no weight on the Federal level when it comes to this topic.
I'm a bit surprised you want the Federal government to stomp all over what the states have decided the want on this issue...
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Old 11-07-2012, 06:38   #58
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I'm a bit surprised you want the Federal government to stomp all over what the states have decided the want on this issue...
Statists have no regard for the rights of individuals, cities or states. They want the federal government to enforce their will on everyone.

Of course when it comes to his pet issue he'll be screaming "states rights!"
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Old 11-07-2012, 06:39   #59
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It's still illegal on the Federal level as it should be.

What the states want to do or pretend to pass into law hold no weight on the Federal level when it comes to this topic.

Until they get it changed on the Federal level, they're breaking the law.

I can't wait for the DEA to clean house!

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Old 11-07-2012, 06:44   #60
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That is why I still don't get it. Unless the states are planning on getting together to use their power against the Feds?
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That is why I still don't get it. Unless the states are planning on getting together to use their power against the Feds?
The more states that follow suit and recognize revenues from it, the less power the Fed will have to fight it.
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Every person that I know that's ever smoked weed ended up using Heroin and raping and killing puppies.

Wait, that's not true. They ended up not doing that stuff.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:29   #65
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The more states that follow suit and recognize revenues from it, the less power the Fed will have to fight it.
That's what I think as well. The revenue surplus will be immediate and obvious. Still, businesses drug test so the audience will remain the same. It will just funnel the money more directly to the states without the "court costs" middleman.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:30   #66
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BTW, I asked all my Pt.s while I worked in a prison, what drug they started with. They all, to the man said MJ....
That's because they've come to understand the term "drug" to mean "ILLEGAL drug".
I'll bet you any amount of money you can name that 99% of them had had a beer or a bottle of Night Train before they smoked their first blunt.
And, of course, Coca Colas before that...

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Really? None tried coffee or a caffeinated soda pop first?

I find that REALLY hard to believe.
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And even still, we're using the term "drug" to mean something we take for fun, and overlooking aspirin, penicillin, etc...
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Every person that I know that's ever smoked weed ended up using Heroin and raping and killing puppies.

Wait, that's not true. They ended up not doing that stuff.

Come on right? Four guys drinking beer is a fist fight waiting to happen, four guys smoking weed is a rock band waiting to happen.

Just one more reason we lost the election last night.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:33   #68
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MJ is legal? Isn't he dead? What about other people committing pedophelia? Is that legal now, too?


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You know, if pot got women as horny as that poster indicates, it would be legal in all 50 states and added to the water supply.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:37   #69
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Statists have no regard for the rights of individuals, cities or states. They want the federal government to enforce their will on everyone.

Of course when it comes to his pet issue he'll be screaming "states rights!"
Bingo. This board is full of conservatives who are happy to let the federal government run wild as long as it's an issue they think is important.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:55   #71
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:56   #72
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It's still illegal on the Federal level as it should be.

What the states want to do or pretend to pass into law hold no weight on the Federal level when it comes to this topic.

Until they get it changed on the Federal level, they're breaking the law.

I can't wait for the DEA to clean house!

HA You are aware that 98% of marijuana arrest(about 750,000/yr) occur at the local and state levels right. When states stop enforcing the law the DEA who have what 6,000 agents at most, doesn't stand a chance at meaningful enforcement. Even just targeting the larger players the DEA will still be quickly overwhelmed by shear volume of users and demand. Good luck cleaning house, they are going to be struggling just to keep their heads above water just between CO and Washington. What happens when more states follow the trend?

Personally I hope these two states voting to legalize, will force the issue at the federal level.
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After last night's election, I'm going to need to move to CO just to survive the next four years. :eek:
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Old 11-07-2012, 08:08   #74
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First off, your right. I was wrong.

Second, I don't have anymore right than you.

Third, I don't think legalization of MJ goes far enough. I think all drugs should be legal. With a caveat. If you OD, end of game. The only exceptions is for the very young.

When I worked in the ER we has 9 teens OD at a pill party. A pill party is where everyone brings a bottle of pills to the party and dumps them into a bowl. They mix them up and everyone gets a handful and takes them. We saved them so they could pass on the stupid to their derpa children.

BTW, I asked all my Pt.s while I worked in a prison, what drug they started with. They all, to the man said MJ. I don't smoke, it gave me wicked headaches. But I really don't care what you put into yours. Just don't come whining when the check is due for partaking.

I did a paper when I was working on one of my degrees about the "gateway" aspect. I talked with 3000 alcoholics/addicts in recovery in central and north Florida.

When asked "When was the first time you got high" all but a handful told me about the first time they smoked weed.

When asked " when was the first time you were under the inflence of any substance" All but a handful answered they used alcohol, predating the first use of weed.

It's all in how you ask the question. A couple of the younger people started with cough syrup and a few others started with rx meds from the parents rxs
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I have hold and have heard more than a few times the perspective that this will become a "states rights" issue. There will be a fight by Washington, Colorado and the "medical states" against the Fed. The current and upcoming administrations will have to take note that the citizens of the states desire their own lead.

It will be interesting to watch this play out on the national stage. It has implications that ripple deeply into other areas, including firearms ownership.
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