[Morris]

The not-so secret was that a majority of LE in Washington actually supported I-502 (Marijuana legalization) because it brought the industry under tighter controls, while hopefully gaining additional revenue for the state and establishing some base line for impairment when operating a vehicle.

In fact, much of those who opposed 53 were "co-op" growers who feared that their ability to deal would be curtailed by tighter controls. In reality, pre-53 was looser and somewhat more Libertarian in orientation, even if possession was more controlled for non green card holders.

So while legalized, it also is more tightly controlled by the state. It blows Libertarian minds.

[Bren]

Originally Posted by RyanBDawg

To bad that in CA the courts already ruled since MJ is legal (with a prescription) your 2nd Amendment right aren't at all affected.

Which carries the same weight with the feds as the states legalizing marijuana...NONE. If you are a marijuana smoker, you ARE a "prohibited person" under 18 USC § 922(g) and it is no more legal for you to possess a gun than a convicted felon, illegal alien, person committed to a mentaol institution or person convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence. Same law. State courts have no say in it. At best, they can exempt you from some of CA's state gun laws, but you could just move and not have to deal with state regulation of gun purchases anyhow.

I support the legalization of all drugs, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with people who don't understand either the law or the practical effect of the changes in it.

[holesinpaper]

Originally Posted by Bren

Which carries the same weight with the feds as the states legalizing marijuana...NONE. If you are a marijuana smoker, you ARE a "prohibited person" under 18 USC § 922(g) and it is no more legal for you to possess a gun than a convicted felon, illegal alien, person committed to a mentaol institution or person convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence. Same law. State courts have no say in it. At best, they can exempt you from some of CA's state gun alws, but you could just move and not have to deal withg state regulation of gun purchases anyhow.

I support the legalization of all drugs, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with people who don't understand either the law or the practical effect of the changes in it.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...declines-cert/

SCOTUS declines.

OR must issue CCW to MMJ patients as per COURT ruling.

[ocjackel]

What are all the medical MJ dispensers gonna do now that their government protected monopoly no longer exists?

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[Morris]

Good question. It was fairly fluid to begin with and many operated without proper business permits, floating in a gray area of business versus co-op private clubs.

Many of the dispensers were split over Washington's laws. The more business oriented ones (that had business licenses, kept real books, etc.) were supporting while the ones that were literally "fly by night" were opposed.

Of course, the federals have already indicated that they will press on, regardless of a state law. Which, of course, flies in the ointment of the current federal occupiers as they don't want to offend two states that voted Democrat.

Will be interesting to see the case laws that develop from this.

[SC Tiger]

Originally Posted by Dubble-Tapper

wow. this is huge. discuss.

Why is it huge? Personally I don't care what they do.

Just so long as I have the right to fire someone for coming to work under the influence of it, and if you drive under the influence of it you can go to jail.

[Deanster]

Originally Posted by Saber99

HA You are aware that 98% of marijuana arrest(about 750,000/yr) occur at the local and state levels right. When states stop enforcing the law the DEA who have what 6,000 agents at most, doesn't stand a chance at meaningful enforcement. Even just targeting the larger players the DEA will still be quickly overwhelmed by shear volume of users and demand. Good luck cleaning house, they are going to be struggling just to keep their heads above water just between CO and Washington. What happens when more states follow the trend?

Personally I hope these two states voting to legalize, will force the issue at the federal level.

This - while it remains a Federal crime, there are truly profound limits on what the Feds can do in terms of enforcement.

There must be a half-dozen medical MJ stores within two miles of my house, all technically illegal under federal law, and subject to ATF action, but they're operating every day with a big green cross out front on a lit sign.

The VAST majority of MJ prosecutions are at the local and state levels, and it's awfully tough for the ATF/FBI, etc. to work when they're getting zero support from local LEO's.

Washington State's decision isn't the final word, and the Feds are clearly on the other side of the table from the state at this point, but for 99% of tokers, the effect will be that MJ is legal.

FWIW, I hate the stuff - my parents were both cigarette and MJ smoking hippies, and as a small child I learned to hate the smell of smoked anything, from incense to pot. Still do, in my early forties.

[Glocksanity]

Originally Posted by NEOH212

It's still illegal on the Federal level as it should be.

What the states want to do or pretend to pass into law hold no weight on the Federal level when it comes to this topic.

Until they get it changed on the Federal level, they're breaking the law.

I can't wait for the DEA to clean house!

Ha ha ha. You are just a short sighted nanny state apologist. Wait til the Feds come for your guns and you try to assert States rights.

[Clutch Cargo]

Try and get a job that requires a urine sample.
DOT drivers license? Forget it.
It will create more food stamp recipients 'cause potheads can't get work.

[Clutch Cargo]

I'll be waiting on the news about a future showdown between the feds and the state police protecting it's citizens.

[Gunhaver]

Originally Posted by ocjackel

What are all the medical MJ dispensers gonna do now that their government protected monopoly no longer exists?

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Ummm, sell to everyone instead of just those that have a card? It will be more like Wal-Mart than Costco. Plus up to 6 plants are legal so many more people will be growing their own.

This is happening people. No way around it just like gay marriage. I would personally like to thank the religious right for making this possible.

[Gunhaver]

Originally Posted by Clutch Cargo

Try and get a job that requires a urine sample.
DOT drivers license? Forget it.
It will create more food stamp recipients 'cause potheads can't get work.

I found a way around that. Started my own business. **** working for people that think they have control of me in my free time. It will be so ironic if this is the thing that finally turns our economy around in a few years.

[Berto]

I don't recall the Prohibition being a flaming success, nor the War on Drugs....or Gun Control.
Legalize the stuff, tax it, and create industry.....there's tons of folks already set up for business.

[ocjackel]

I was being sarcastic. I find it funny that the medical MJ dispensers used basically the same arguments that the supporters of these propositions used, when they wanted medical pot legalized. This will greatly reduce their profit margins.

They claimed that medical MJ use was not the governments business but then want the government to protect their profit margins by prohibiting competition.

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[Mayhem like Me]

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ummm nevermind I forgot...

[TBO]

We need more stoned/drunk useless people dragging on the system.

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[bikerdog]

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[tat2guy]

Originally Posted by Clutch Cargo

...
It will create more food stamp recipients 'cause potheads can't get work.

BAH ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!


You funny.

I'll mention that to the surgeons, dentists, lawyers and cops I know who smoke... As well as damn near every restaurant employee I've ever met... And, well, heck, at least the last three Presidents of the United States of America... and so on, and so on, and so on...

[Bren]

Originally Posted by holesinpaper

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...declines-cert/

SCOTUS declines.

OR must issue CCW to MMJ patients as per COURT ruling.

Yes, by a state supreme court court ruling. All the U.S. Supreme Court said is they aren't taking the case. Everything I said above applies.

[Bren]

Originally Posted by TBO

We need more stoned/drunk useless people dragging on the system.

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I want all drugs legalized. Protecting people from themselves is the source of our problems now. I want less protection and the type of people who are apparently the majority in this country will sort themselves out within a couple of years.

Our best chance of getting back on track is more freedom and less safety - make me free and let the people who need government-provided safety kill themselves/each other.

[method]

Originally Posted by NEOH212

It's still illegal on the Federal level as it should be.

What the states want to do or pretend to pass into law hold no weight on the Federal level when it comes to this topic.

Until they get it changed on the Federal level, they're breaking the law.

I can't wait for the DEA to clean house!

I bet you consider yourself some sore of patriot, don't you?

[ocjackel]

Originally Posted by TBO

We need more stoned/drunk useless people dragging on the system.

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What a joke. The last 40 years of pot prohibition has been a huge drag on the system. It's basically been a jobs program for cops, DEA agents, prison guards, lawyers, and bail bondsmen.

It's truly depressing to think how much money has been spent "fighting" this silliness over the last few decades, not to mention what it's done to personal property rights.


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[NeverMore1701]

Originally Posted by Bren

I want all drugs legalized. Protecting people from themselves is the source of our problems now. I want less protection and the type of people who are apparently the majority in this country will sort themselves out within a couple of years.

Our best chance of getting back on track is more freedom and less safety - make me free and let the people who need government-provided safety kill themselves/each other.

[Lampshade]

Originally Posted by TBO

We need more stoned/drunk useless people dragging on the system.

Clearly the answer is more stringent and more comprehensive prohibition.

The War on Drugs to date has been nothing but an appetizer!

[series1811]

Originally Posted by Dubble-Tapper

wow. this is huge. discuss.

It's not as huge as you think to people who don't smoke dope.