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Old 11-07-2012, 16:26   #101
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I want all drugs legalized. Protecting people from themselves is the source of our problems now. I want less protection and the type of people who are apparently the majority in this country will sort themselves out within a couple of years.

Our best chance of getting back on track is more freedom and less safety - make me free and let the people who need government-provided safety kill themselves/each other.
And, giving it out free, in unlimited and very pure amounts.

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Old 11-07-2012, 16:36   #102
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Old 11-07-2012, 17:08   #103
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We need more stoned/drunk useless people dragging on the system.

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Old 11-07-2012, 17:28   #104
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As opposed to citizens working for government -- leeching off tax payers and bolstering the system that drags on us all.

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Old 11-07-2012, 17:32   #105
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Yes, by a state supreme court court ruling. All the U.S. Supreme Court said is they aren't taking the case. Everything I said above applies.
Sure, but in OR LEO must respect the 2A rights of a MMJ user.

Name 5 people in the last 10 years busted by the Feds solely for possession of personal use marijuana (under 1oz) + weapon possession (of a firearm that was legal under state law).

Hell, name 1 person.

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Old 11-07-2012, 19:07   #106
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Sure, but in OR LEO must respect the 2A rights of a MMJ user.

Name 5 people in the last 10 years busted by the Feds solely for possession of personal use marijuana (under 1oz) + weapon possession (of a firearm that was legal under state law).

Hell, name 1 person.
I did in another thread, a year or two back, but I'm not searching for that again right now. Why? Because this is the first time we've had the feds as the sole anti-marijuana law enforcement within a state. If a new president decides to pursue the war on drugs, it will be a whole new ballgame for dope smokers in Washington and Colorado.

That assumes, of course, there will be some future president after this one.
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Old 11-07-2012, 19:17   #107
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Stupid making pot illegal, but alcohol legal. Just stupid. And I don't use pot ever.
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:00   #108
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For the fed supporters, a serious question: where do the feds get their authority to police it? The interstate commerce clause? What if you grow and consume in your own home, or hell, plant in your back yard and use just the sun and water from your tap. From where is their authority authorized in the constitution?
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:06   #109
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Well, based on their vitriolic replies, marijuana has done nothing to mellow out the dispositions of some posters.

I don't much care either way about the legalization of marijuana, but I think it will be a good thing if it eliminates the medical marijuana system, which was a joke. No doubt some people with legitimate problems were helped by medical marijuana, but I suspect that the majority of it was ingested by people who had "chronic" conditions, and not chronic conditions.

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Old 11-07-2012, 20:16   #110
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:20   #111
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I don't smoke pot or cigarettes, and I don't consume alcohol, and I don't care if you do none, any or all three of them.
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:27   #112
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From where is their authority authorized in the constitution?
It's not.
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:48   #113
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A) I hate Mj and believe it should be illegal.
B) federal law does NOT trump State law
C) this will be an interesting battle
D) where Feds effectively trump State law in the lives of individuals are things like Federal
contract work.
E) Near as I can tell these MJ laws don't prevent employers from testing for MJ and discriminating against MJ users. It has to be this way for at least three reasons:
1) Employers rights (it is a legitimate safety issue)
2) more and more contacts require clients to have drug and alcohol programs to provide services to them
3) Federal contracts, commercial drivers and anyone handling paperwork for these folks are subject to Fed drug laws.
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:52   #114
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Federal Law trumps state law. Look for these guys shutting down the places selling it, and arresting the individuals using it-

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Oh, and if you purchase a gun after smoking it, look for these guys to be taking you into custody, as you just committed a felony-

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Yep! I tried explaining this to a pot-headed friend of mine who has a Medical MJ card, but he just doesn't get it. He refuses to believe he's even remotely wrong. Moron.

Me, I still believe MJ is nothing but trouble. Sure, I smoked it when I was younger, but I've grown up, and I'm better able to view it objectively now, rather than when I was younger and making poor choices. And my PO: it's nothing but trouble.
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:55   #115
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I get tired of hearing the "gateway drug" argument about weed. People seem to think weed stops being enough for people so they have to step up to harder drugs to get high. It doesn't work that way, different drugs are completely different highs. When weed stops being enough for a guy, more weed cures that, not cocaine which is a completely different drug all together.

The only thing "gateway" about weed is the fact that you have to deal with criminals to get it. These criminals likely have other drugs and you've already taken the leap into being a criminal by smoking weed, the step up from that to harder drugs isn't much of a step. This gateway effect is completely neutralized when it's made legal.
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:56   #116
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Stupid making pot illegal, but alcohol legal. Just stupid. And I don't use pot ever.
Wrong:

MJ affects your eyes physiologically: that is why it is used by glaucoma paitents. So what you say? It changes your depth perception. The person can't tell, they feel fine, but the reality is the end result is dramatic: many studies for the 1970s through the 00s confirm the reality of this effect: operating equipment, driving etc are all affected negatively. One example 72 hour after smoking a joint drivers are FAR more likely to rear end another vehicle.

This is not the case for alcohol.
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A) I hate Mj and believe it should be illegal.
Do you hate alcohol and believe it should be illegal?
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Do you hate alcohol and believe it should be illegal?
I do. Wanna debate it with me? Both parents and my sister were HORRIBLE alcoholics, and I've had 6 run-ins with Drunk Drivers since I was 16; one of whom almost killed me. I hate that crap with a passion, and I believe I am completely within my rights to hate it, based on what I've seen it do personally, physically, and emotionally.
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I do. Wanna debate it with me?
No, I asked the question to Cali-Glock, not you.

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No, I asked the question to Cali-Glock, not you.
Ask it on a Public Forum, then it's everyone's right to engage in the topic.
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