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11-07-2012, 21:01
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#126
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Location: Round Rock, TX
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Originally Posted by devildog2067
Do you think everything you hate should be illegal?
I hate olives, I think they should be illegal.
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I also hate olives, so I agree that they should be illegal.
So that makes it 2 against 1, so Rabbi is clearly wrong hear. The math doesn't lie...2 >1 
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11-07-2012, 21:51
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#127
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Location: Houston, TX
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Originally Posted by hamster
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11-07-2012, 22:00
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#128
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Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Houston, TX
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Originally Posted by Clutch Cargo
Try and get a job that requires a urine sample.
DOT drivers license? Forget it.
It will create more food stamp recipients 'cause potheads can't get work.
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Why can't they get jobs? Because its illegal. More states change the laws, the more the fed has to deal with it and it'll quickly become a SCOTUS issue. Ending MJ prohibition will allow it to be properly tested in labs and more proof its lack of long term effects and companies will stop testing for MJ usage in the same manner. Companies will begin to blood test and look for high levels that indicate very recent usage, just like the legal system will use to prove impairment.
It'll be fully legalized and treated like alcohol: don't smoke at work or lose your job.
It'll just take time.
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11-07-2012, 22:10
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#129
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Mountain Man
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: California Sierra Mnts
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Originally Posted by Lampshade
Do you hate alcohol and believe it should be illegal?
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Did you read my post? Apparently not.
I hate alcohol and don't think it should be illegal.
1) it should be a state not federal issue
2) MJ inhibits the user for 72 hours after use, alcohol does not.
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11-07-2012, 22:16
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#130
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Join Date: May 2010
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Originally Posted by Cali-Glock
Did you read my post? Apparently not.
I hate alcohol and don't think it should be illegal.
1) it should be a state not federal issue
2) MJ inhibits the user for 72 hours after use, alcohol does not.
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Would it be fair to say that in your estimation, marijuana is a greater threat to public health than alcohol?
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11-07-2012, 22:17
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#131
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The irony is that 'law and order' Joe Friday types like TBO have this lame refain:
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Originally Posted by paraphrase
"If you don't like a law, then vote and change it don't just break it. I'm blameless for all the damage I do enforcing the law, because I'm just a cop and I just enforce the law that people vote on."
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Well guess what, people DID vote and change the law.
Enforcement of simple possession and use of Marijuana has been REMOVED from local LEO authority.
Hypocrites.
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11-07-2012, 22:36
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#132
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00 Buck dude
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Oak Grove, Kentucky
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Originally Posted by Cali-Glock
Wrong:
MJ affects your eyes physiologically: that is why it is used by glaucoma paitents. So what you say? It changes your depth perception. The person can't tell, they feel fine, but the reality is the end result is dramatic: many studies for the 1970s through the 00s confirm the reality of this effect: operating equipment, driving etc are all affected negatively. One example 72 hour after smoking a joint drivers are FAR more likely to rear end another vehicle.
This is not the case for alcohol.
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Are you seriosuly about to suggest that MJ causes more driving fatalities than alcohol? Are you seriously that ignorant?
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11-07-2012, 22:48
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#133
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Mountain Man
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: California Sierra Mnts
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Originally Posted by USArmyFNG
Are you seriosuly about to suggest that MJ causes more driving fatalities than alcohol? Are you seriously that ignorant?
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Who made such a claim? Not me and you know it - stop trolling.
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I may be from Cali, but I ain't no yankee!
"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one." - Mal Reynolds
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11-07-2012, 22:48
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#134
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Boomshakalaka
Join Date: Feb 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by holesinpaper
The irony is that 'law and order' Joe Friday types like TBO have this lame refain:
Well guess what, people DID vote and change the law.
Enforcement of simple possession and use of Marijuana has been REMOVED from local LEO authority.
Hypocrites.
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Huh?
Think about what you wrote. How is anyone a hypocrite? The state law was changed. This is America, people (including Gov employees) are still entitled to their opinions.
Just because Obama was elected does not mean I have to 100% agree with everything he does.
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11-07-2012, 22:58
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#135
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Mountain Man
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: California Sierra Mnts
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampshade
Would it be fair to say that in your estimation, marijuana is a greater threat to public health than alcohol?
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No it is not be a fair representation of my estimation.
Marijuana has its own set of problems; marijuana and alcohol share some of the same problems, but each has their own separate problems. To claim that marijuana allegedly poses fewer problems than alcohol, therefore we should treat marijuana the same as alcohol is an unsupportable argument.
I argue that legalizing and mainstreaming another drug is not a positive, or healthy direction to any society to undertake.
Secondly I argue that should we choose to legalize and mainstream another drug, we need to do so in light of the unique properties of the new drug instead of trying to treat it the same as a completely different drug.
One example being that unlike alcohol marijuana leaves the user with after effects (depth perception) for approximately 72 hours after use.
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I may be from Cali, but I ain't no yankee!
"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one." - Mal Reynolds
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11-08-2012, 00:59
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#136
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Jackson, MS
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Marijuana was legal from 1776 until more or less the 1930s.
The main reason it was made illegal were based on racial reasons.
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11-08-2012, 01:32
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#137
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Join Date: Oct 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RyanBDawg
Marijuana was legal from 1776 until more or less the 1930s.
The main reason it was made illegal were based on racial reasons.
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11-08-2012, 01:46
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#138
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Location: liberalville N. M.
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Laugh but it true, Harrison narcotic act aimed mostly at the black population. Just as concealed weapons laws were directed towards the black people.
Please prove me wrong and correct my ignorance, if you can. If I'm wrong it is from faulty input years ago.
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11-08-2012, 01:55
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#139
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the wrong hands
Join Date: Jan 2012
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Originally Posted by nursetim
Laugh but it true, Harrison narcotic act aimed mostly at the black population. Just as concealed weapons laws were directed towards the black people.
Please prove me wrong and correct my ignorance, if you can. If I'm wrong it is from faulty input years ago.
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You're correct. The black man was the boogyman used to garner support but the motivation was more power for the DEA and financial interests of a newspaper magnate that worried about losing money from the lumber he was invested in to hemp paper.
Just like today, if you want to get something done then find a way for it to save rich people money.
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11-08-2012, 01:58
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#140
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the wrong hands
Join Date: Jan 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Altaris
I also hate olives, so I agree that they should be illegal.
So that makes it 2 against 1, so Rabbi is clearly wrong hear. The math doesn't lie...2 >1 |
My new hobby. Using sarcasm to avoid answering damn good questions.
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11-08-2012, 02:08
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#141
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00 Buck dude
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Oak Grove, Kentucky
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cali-Glock
Who made such a claim? Not me and you know it - stop trolling.
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It was either an obvious, subtle attempt at suggesting it or just another blind argument to fall back on. You can say that mj has negative effects on a users depth perception all you want, it still doesn't change the fact that alcohol causes many more problems on the road than mj ever has or ever will.
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11-08-2012, 02:24
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#142
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'nuff said
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11-08-2012, 04:04
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#143
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I like Macs
Join Date: May 2003
Location: KY Wild =^..^=
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Bong factories = thousands of jobs!
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11-08-2012, 06:02
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#144
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Mountain Man
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: California Sierra Mnts
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Originally Posted by USArmyFNG
It was either an obvious, subtle attempt at suggesting it or just another blind argument to fall back on. You can say that mj has negative effects on a users depth perception all you want, it still doesn't change the fact that alcohol causes many more problems on the road than mj ever has or ever will.
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Adress what i have written and quit making childish insinuations and trying to put words in my mouth.
Who has argued otherwise?! (your point on drunk driving deaths s stoned deaths - no one)
So for sake of debate let us agree that alcohol is currently responsible for more roadway accidents and deaths than stoned driving. So what? How is that a rational argument for the legalization of marijuana? (it isn't)
Your attempted argument is fallacious.
Here is the fact you need to consider:
Have a few drinks over the weekend and there are not after effects which affect your safety performance the following week.
Smoke a joint or two over the weekend and there ARE after effects which dramatically affect your safety performance the following week.
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I may be from Cali, but I ain't no yankee!
"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one." - Mal Reynolds
Last edited by Cali-Glock; 11-08-2012 at 06:07..
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11-08-2012, 06:52
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#145
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NRA Life Member
Join Date: Feb 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cali-Glock
Smoke a joint or two over the weekend and there ARE after effects which dramatically affect your safety performance the following week.
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Alright, then ban driving under the influence. Oh wait... they that law is already on the books.
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11-08-2012, 07:03
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#146
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hamster
Alright, then ban driving under the influence. Oh wait... they that law is already on the books.
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Yeah, but how do you enforce it? THC stays in the bloodstream for as long as over three weeks because it is fat soluable. And, marijuana use proponents usually claim that blood tests shouldn't be used for DWI and marijuana for that reason (otherwise, marijuana users couldn't legally drive for three weeks after using and they don't like that).
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Last edited by series1811; 11-08-2012 at 07:04..
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11-08-2012, 07:05
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#147
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cali-Glock
To claim that marijuana allegedly poses fewer problems than alcohol, therefore we should treat marijuana the same as alcohol is an unsupportable argument.
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To you, maybe.
I think its a pretty obvious truth to most folks.
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11-08-2012, 07:06
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#148
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Quote:
Originally Posted by series1811
Yeah, but how do you enforce it?
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The same way it is currently enforced, duh.
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11-08-2012, 07:07
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#149
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampshade
The same way it is currently enforced, duh.
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So you're okay with blood tests for THC content? I admit I'm surprised.
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Obama's administration did what? President Obama’s going to be angry when he learns about this on the news tonight.
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11-08-2012, 07:12
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#150
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Quote:
Originally Posted by series1811
So you're okay with blood tests for THC content?
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Some of the laws are better than others.
For instance, 'per se' drug laws where you get a DUI for having any detectable amount of THC are stupid, but I don't think that's a reason not to legalize marijuana, its just a reason to revamp the DUI laws.
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