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Old 11-08-2012, 03:08   #141
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Who made such a claim? Not me and you know it - stop trolling.
It was either an obvious, subtle attempt at suggesting it or just another blind argument to fall back on. You can say that mj has negative effects on a users depth perception all you want, it still doesn't change the fact that alcohol causes many more problems on the road than mj ever has or ever will.

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Old 11-08-2012, 03:24   #142
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:02   #144
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It was either an obvious, subtle attempt at suggesting it or just another blind argument to fall back on. You can say that mj has negative effects on a users depth perception all you want, it still doesn't change the fact that alcohol causes many more problems on the road than mj ever has or ever will.

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Adress what i have written and quit making childish insinuations and trying to put words in my mouth.

Who has argued otherwise?! (your point on drunk driving deaths s stoned deaths - no one)
So for sake of debate let us agree that alcohol is currently responsible for more roadway accidents and deaths than stoned driving. So what? How is that a rational argument for the legalization of marijuana? (it isn't)

Your attempted argument is fallacious.

Here is the fact you need to consider:

Have a few drinks over the weekend and there are not after effects which affect your safety performance the following week.

Smoke a joint or two over the weekend and there ARE after effects which dramatically affect your safety performance the following week.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:52   #145
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Smoke a joint or two over the weekend and there ARE after effects which dramatically affect your safety performance the following week.
Alright, then ban driving under the influence. Oh wait... they that law is already on the books.
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Alright, then ban driving under the influence. Oh wait... they that law is already on the books.
Yeah, but how do you enforce it? THC stays in the bloodstream for as long as over three weeks because it is fat soluable. And, marijuana use proponents usually claim that blood tests shouldn't be used for DWI and marijuana for that reason (otherwise, marijuana users couldn't legally drive for three weeks after using and they don't like that).
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:05   #147
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To claim that marijuana allegedly poses fewer problems than alcohol, therefore we should treat marijuana the same as alcohol is an unsupportable argument.
To you, maybe.

I think its a pretty obvious truth to most folks.
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Yeah, but how do you enforce it?
The same way it is currently enforced, duh.
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The same way it is currently enforced, duh.
So you're okay with blood tests for THC content? I admit I'm surprised.
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So you're okay with blood tests for THC content?
Some of the laws are better than others.

For instance, 'per se' drug laws where you get a DUI for having any detectable amount of THC are stupid, but I don't think that's a reason not to legalize marijuana, its just a reason to revamp the DUI laws.
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Some of the laws are better than others.

For instance, 'per se' drug laws where you get a DUI for having any detectable amount of THC are stupid, but I don't think that's a reason not to legalize marijuana, its just a reason to revamp the DUI laws.
That's what I thought. Now, we're getting somewhere. So how many ppm of THC do you thing should constitute driving while impaired?
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That's what I thought. Now, we're getting somewhere. So how many ppm of THC do you thing should constitute driving while impaired?
I don't have an offhand answer, I think the issue should be researched by an unbiased party and guidelines created.
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I don't have an offhand answer, I think the issue should be researched by an unbiased party and guidelines created.
Wouldn't you think we would have that research by now? We do, it's just a political hot potato for the reasons I stated.

So, you do see the problem?
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Wouldn't you think we would have that research by now?
I'm sure such research is out there, however, getting the gov. to pay attention to it and adopts its lessons is another story entirely.
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I'm sure such research is out there, however, getting the gov. to pay attention to it and adopts its lessons is another story entirely.
Well, then you finally see my point.

So, now that we are back to where we started, how do you keep people from driving while impaired after marijuana use?
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Yeah, but how do you enforce it? THC stays in the bloodstream for as long as over three weeks because it is fat soluable. And, marijuana use proponents usually claim that blood tests shouldn't be used for DWI and marijuana for that reason (otherwise, marijuana users couldn't legally drive for three weeks after using and they don't like that).
Simple: If someone is driving erratically, field sobriety test.

If someone causes an accident and is suspected to be under the influence test their blood and throw the book at them if they are proven to be.

Really no different than drunk driving enforcement. BTW there are literally hundreds of prescription drugs that are currently legal and have some remnants remain in the system for weeks as well. Enforcement of driving under the influence is the same for all.
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So, now that we are back to where we started, how do you keep people from driving while impaired after marijuana use?
"The same way it is currently enforced, duh."

Or better still, revamp the laws.

We just had this entire conversation dude.

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This is going to drive the Insurance Companies nuts.
I'm sure we will all pay higher premiums because of it.
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"The same way it is currently enforced, duh."

Or better still, revamp the laws.

We just had this entire conversation dude.
Yes, we did. If you had just admitted you didn't have a clue in the first post, it would have been okay. I already knew the answer.
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