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Old 11-08-2012, 08:55   #161
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Yes, we did. If you had just admitted you didn't have a clue in the first post, it would have been okay. I already knew the answer.
I'm not sure how naming two potential courses of action (that I didn't see you rebut in any way) equates to not having a clue, but you're free to jump ship from the thread I guess if that's what you want to do.
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:59   #162
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I'm not sure how naming two potential courses of action (that I didn't see you rebut in any way) equates to not having a clue, but you're free to jump ship from the thread I guess if that's what you want to do.
What's your answer to the problem?

Tell somebody to come up with a solution.

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Old 11-08-2012, 09:01   #163
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What's your answer to the problem?

Tell somebody to come up with a solution.

Great answer.
I would like actual scientists to perform the research and provide their interpretation of it, yes.

You have officially jumped ship, as that is one of the most laughable attempts to grasp at straws I have ever seen.

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Old 11-08-2012, 09:16   #164
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... And yet so many dispute the science of current laws, because they don't suit their world view/wants.

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Old 11-08-2012, 09:17   #165
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I would like actual scientists to perform the research and provide their interpretation of it, yes.

You have officially jumped ship, as that is one of the most laughable attempts to grasp at straws I have ever seen.
And, you think that's how it's going to be determine? No politics involved?

How old are you?
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Old 11-08-2012, 09:24   #166
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What's your answer to the problem?

Tell somebody to come up with a solution.

Great answer.

You are conflating the issues of driving under the influence and legalization of a substance. It just isn't feasible to expect there to be a test for every single substance someone could potentially be intoxicated with.

How do officers currently handle people driving while on prescription medication?
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Old 11-08-2012, 09:28   #167
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And, you think that's how it's going to be determine? No politics involved?

How old are you?
The imperfectness of our legislative process is not a reason not to legalize marijuana, nor a reason to give up on improving current DUI law.

Not to mention the fact that I also suggested, though did not prefer, the option of maintaining the status quo.

You have no argument and have sunk to name calling.

Good day.

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Old 11-08-2012, 09:46   #168
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To you, maybe.

I think its a pretty obvious truth to most folks.
It is unsupportable for anyone who understands logic. There are logical arguments to be made on your side, but the one you are making is fallacious. The physical magnifications and effects of each of these drugs are very different: perhaps a case can be made that MJ is less harmful than Alcohol and another case that MJ should be legal: but your argument does not support either case.

If you want legalize MJ then how do we regulate and test for exposure over the prior 72 hours? If you dob't have such a mechanism then driving, operating heavy equipment, and many other tasks should be illegal for MJ users to perform. At a minimum, it will have to be legal for businesses (including insurance companies) to discriminate against MJ users as they pose a health and liabily exposure which would otherwise not be there.
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This is going to drive the Insurance Companies nuts.
I'm sure we will all pay higher premiums because of it.
The data is clear: MJ users have a significantly higher incident of vegicle accidents, workplace accidents, and workplace injuries. Insurance companies already address this issue very tightly. For example some insurance companies refuse to insure companies which do not have tight pre-hire, post-hire random, for-cause, and post-accident drug testing; and virtually every insurance carrier gives preferential underwriting credit to companies who have such drug & alcohol policies/programs.

This is NOT arbitrary on the part of insurance companies, but rather it is based on experience.
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The data is clear: MJ users have a significantly higher incident of vegicle accidents, workplace accidents, and workplace injuries. Insurance companies already address this issue very tightly. For example some insurance companies refuse to insure companies which do not have tight pre-hire, post-hire random, for-cause, and post-accident drug testing; and virtually every insurance carrier gives preferential underwriting credit to companies who have such drug & alcohol policies/programs.

This is NOT arbitrary on the part of insurance companies, but rather it is based on experience.
Good, you've just pointed out why and how the free market handles problems better than government. Government needs to get out of the substance banning business.
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The imperfectness of our legislative process is not a reason not to legalize marijuana, nor a reason to give up on improving current DUI law.

Not to mention the fact that I also suggested, though did not prefer, the option of maintaining the status quo.

You have no argument and have sunk to name calling.

Good day.
I didn't say whether it should be legalized or not, I asked, how you would enforce DUI with marijuana. You said, someone will figure out something.

I asked you how old you were because I though I might taylor my explanation better if I knew your age. It wasn't an insult.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:16   #172
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... And yet so many dispute the science of current laws, because they don't suit their world view/wants.

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Funny. Now the law isn't on your side and you want to appeal to 'science.'

BS. If we went by science, then MJ would NOT be a schedule 1 drug, period. Supposedly 'Worse' than cocaine and heroin -- not as per science, but as per political edict.

Your bias is showing. Absolute, utter, BS.

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Funny. Now the law isn't on your side and you want to appeal to 'science.'

BS. If we went by science, then MJ would NOT be a schedule 1 drug, period. 'Worse' than cocaine and heroin.

Your bias is showing. Absolute, utter, BS.
I forget, what are the names of the 400 chemicals in marijuana?
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I didn't say whether it should be legalized or not, I asked, how you would enforce DUI with marijuana. You said, someone will figure out something.

I asked you how old you were because I though I might taylor my explanation better if I knew your age. It wasn't an insult.
It's called "driving under the influence" and not "drunk driving" because LEO can CURRENTLY enforce impaired driving laws against MJ users.

Dur.

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The data is clear: MJ users have a significantly higher incident of vegicle accidents, workplace accidents, and workplace injuries.
So do MEN compared to WOMEN.

Crap, we might need to ban men from driving, for the children.

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I forget, what are the names of the 400 chemicals in marijuana?
Quite smoking dope and you might remember things like that.

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It's called "driving under the influence" and not "drunk driving" because LEO can CURRENTLY enforce impaired driving laws against MJ users.

Dur.

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Not to mention the fact that somehow police officers are able to enforce driving under the influence laws with all of the 600,000 legal drugs doctors prescribe to their patients. I don't see why this one drug is any different in regards to intoxicated driving.
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Not to mention the fact that somehow police officers are able to enforce driving under the influence laws with all of the 600,000 legal drugs doctors prescribe to their patients. I don't see why this one drug is any different in regards to intoxicated driving.
YNS. The way LEOs on Glocktalk present arguments really seems to shine a light on how effing stupid they think people are.

What intelligent person would buy the illogical, hypocritical, indefensible, BS they are trying to peddle.

If they CAN enforce current DUI laws, then legalizing MJ will have zero impact on their ability to enforce DUi laws.

If they CANNOT enforce current DUI laws, then exactly WTF do they do? How can they 'honestly' arrest someone under current law for driving under the influence of drugs.

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Old 11-08-2012, 12:19   #179
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The "feds must be challenged" guys are well, the kind of people who just want to see the world burn.

The "Yay liberal argument".... well, you're an idiot.

Quality of life just took a huge dump.... Seriously, no racial profiling here just talking truth, I can't wait for "Tron" to be on the corner blazing up and acting a fool or Tatiayna to rear end someone with her 28" spinners because her 11 babies were crying in the back seat and she lost her grasp on reality for a moment due to some plant.


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YNS. The way LEOs on Glocktalk present arguments really seems to shine a light on how effing stupid they think people are.

What intelligent person would buy the illogical, hypocritical, indefensible, BS they are trying to peddle.

If they CAN enforce current DUI laws, then legalizing MJ will have zero impact on their ability to enforce DUi laws.

If they CANNOT enforce current DUI laws, then exactly WTF do they do? How can they 'honestly' arrest someone under current law for driving under the influence of drugs.
Well we are all well aware of the legal standards for DUI, and for DWI in respect to alcohol. Pretend for a second that we don't know them for marijuana, and tell us what they are.
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