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Old 11-09-2012, 08:12   #101
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We're going to have another Recession or a Depression starting in 2013,but Obama will call it a "bump in the road".
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Old 11-09-2012, 08:42   #102
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Why do you ignore what I should tell people on the 30% I am sent home on the 16th to cut them loose before two major holidays because of how the election went and people not wanting to leave the money in the USA?
No one shed a tear when 600,000 oilfield workers lost their jobs in the Eighties and small businesses went broke. No one shed a tear when the Republicans bailed out the savings and loans because the people who lost their jobs or went broke couldn't pay for their houses, but did nothing for the people who were losing their houses. We were told to suck it up and deal with it while the rest of the nation celebrated our losses. Pardon me for being jaundiced.

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So what should I tell these people?
Tell them the truth. Tell them your company's bottom line is more important their their fiscal and emotional well being.

This wouldn't happen in a well run socialists government. It happens all the time in capitalistic systems and happens more often and more intensely in unregulated capitalist systems. That's because the Plutocrats are always goring each other's oxes. The Plutocrats may suffer a little, but the serfs bear most of the brunt. Did you lose your job? Did anyone in upper management lose a job? That usually doesn't happen and if it does they usually have a bonus package that allows them to continue living much better than their serfs.

Recessions are commonplace in capitalists systems. When everyone's broke the Plutocrats buy cheap. When everyone has money the Plutocrats sell high. Next recession they will buy back from the same people they sold to at much less than they paid. Too bad if someone loses his job or his house. Too bad if he goes into a state of depression and begins acting irrationally. If it doesn't affect them directly they don't care. They see nothing wrong with this. It's just, "good business". That's just an excuse for greed, selfishness, and megalomania. The only way it changes is through elections or revolutions.
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Old 11-09-2012, 08:45   #103
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This wouldn't happen in a well run socialists government. .
oxymoron. Never has been and never will be a well run socialist government. The only way a socialist country can survive is by implementing limited capitalism. Of course that eventually brings down the socialist government. Socialism always leads to misery and economic collapse, always.
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Old 11-09-2012, 08:49   #104
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...Socialism always leads to misery and economic collapse, always.
The absolute truth, proven throughout history.
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Old 11-09-2012, 08:53   #105
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No one shed a tear when 600,000 oilfield workers lost their jobs in the Eighties and small businesses went broke. No one shed a tear when the Republicans bailed out the savings and loans because the people who lost their jobs or went broke couldn't pay for their houses, but did nothing for the people who were losing their houses. We were told to suck it up and deal with it while the rest of the nation celebrated our losses. Pardon me for being jaundiced.

Tell them the truth. Tell them your company's bottom line is more important their their fiscal and emotional well being.

This wouldn't happen in a well run socialists government. It happens all the time in capitalistic systems and happens more often and more intensely in unregulated capitalist systems. That's because the Plutocrats are always goring each other's oxes. The Plutocrats may suffer a little, but the serfs bear most of the brunt. Did you lose your job? Did anyone in upper management lose a job? That usually doesn't happen and if it does they usually have a bonus packed that allows them to continue living much better than their serfs.

Recessions are commonplace in capitalists systems. When everyone's broke the Plutocrats buy cheap. When everyone has money the Plutocrats sell high. Next recession they will buy back from the same people they sold to at much less than they paid. Too bad if someone loses his job or his house. Too bad if he goes into a state of depression and begins acting irrationally. If it doesn't affect them directly they don't care. They see nothing wrong with this. It's just, "good business". That's just an excuse for greed, selfishness, and megalomania. The only way it changes is through elections or revolutions.
If you keep muscogee in the conversation long enough the Marxist mask comes off eventually.

Upthread wasn't he telling us he was a "staunch conservative" when he worked at a university?

Then didn't he tell us he wasn't a leftist?

Is it any surprise he was a business failure and now leeches off the government?
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Old 11-09-2012, 09:12   #106
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oxymoron. Never has been and never will be a well run socialist government. The only way a socialist country can survive is by implementing limited capitalism. Of course that eventually brings down the socialist government. Socialism always leads to misery and economic collapse, always.
That's what the Plutocrats want you to believe. Do you realize people used to say the same thing about self government? After the English Civil war the Roundheads tried to establish a self ruled government. It dissolved into anarchy until Oliver Cromwell had himself declared King. France was a nightmare for several years after their revolution. The monarchists smugly looked down their noses and said, "we told you so" and many of the peasants believed them. It wasn't until the U.S. broke the mold that self government began to seem like a workable alternative to monarchy.

Communism was a disaster, but socialism is working well in several countries right now. It's not perfect, but it's working. Germany survived the recent economic mess better than many countries. It's working in spite of the fact that they absorbed massive immigration from the collapsing Soviet Union and are currently absorbing massive immigration from Turkey. We should take a hard look at what Germany is doing.
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Old 11-09-2012, 09:14   #107
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This wouldn't happen in a well run socialists government.


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Old 11-09-2012, 09:37   #108
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That's what the Plutocrats want you to believe. Do you realize people used to say the same thing about self government? After the English Civil war the Roundheads tried to establish a self ruled government. It dissolved into anarchy until Oliver Cromwell had himself declared King. France was a nightmare for several years after their revolution. The monarchists smugly looked down their noses and said, "we told you so" and many of the peasants believed them. It wasn't until the U.S. broke the mold that self government began to seem like a workable alternative to monarchy.

Communism was a disaster, but socialism is working well in several countries right now. It's not perfect, but it's working. Germany survived the recent economic mess better than many countries. It's working in spite of the fact that they absorbed massive immigration from the collapsing Soviet Union and are currently absorbing massive immigration from Turkey. We should take a hard look at what Germany is doing.
No. We should model Hong Kong, not Europe
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Old 11-09-2012, 10:26   #110
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Communism was a disaster, but socialism is working well in several countries right now. It's not perfect, but it's working. Germany survived the recent economic mess better than many countries. It's working in spite of the fact that they absorbed massive immigration from the collapsing Soviet Union and are currently absorbing massive immigration from Turkey. We should take a hard look at what Germany is doing.
Socialism cannot work well without capitalism paying the bill.

Just ask Cuba
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Old 11-09-2012, 11:58   #111
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Germany survived the recent economic mess better than many countries.ng Soviet U It's working in spite of the fact that they absorbed massive immigration from the collapsinion and are currently absorbing massive immigration from Turkey. We should take a hard look at what Germany is doing.
It works there because a permanent slacker class i.e. (single mothers, bastard womb turds, ghetto slugs and Honey Boo Boo Mamas) are not catered to.

Germany needed to absorb all those 'Guest Workers' to replace manpower lost during WWII.
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:14   #112
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It works there because a permanent slacker class i.e. (single mothers, bastard womb turds, ghetto slugs and Honey Boo Boo Mamas) are not catered to.
You mean the national economy is, now, going the way of our former Judeo-Christian jurisprudence, civic and personal morality? Actually I'm not surprised. It's a formerly well known biblical principle: God does NOT, and will NOT bless any reprobate society of men. America is NOT exempt from this divine principle of godship and divine blessing. It's that simple.
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:23   #113
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God does NOT, and will NOT bless any reprobate society of men. America is NOT exempt from this divine principle of godship and divine blessing. It's that simple.
I had to look up "reprobate."

If you want to live in a theocracy, go right ahead. The Middle East is full of them. America is a secular country with religious freedom.
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:38   #114
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I had to look up "reprobate."

If you want to live in a theocracy, go right ahead. The Middle East is full of them. America is a secular country with religious freedom.
Agreed 100%
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:43   #115
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Socialism cannot work well without capitalism paying the bill.

Just ask Cuba
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I had to look up "reprobate."

If you want to live in a theocracy, go right ahead. The Middle East is full of them. America is a secular country with religious freedom.
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I grew up hearing this. It is referring to sexual deviance.
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:48   #117
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It works to the extent it does in Germany only because they have what most Americans would consider an "authoritarian" society.

I'm told by a German friend that if you need public assistance you can receive it, but you are expected to get a job, regardless of whether the employment available is acceptable to you.

The time you are allowed that assistance is strictly limited.

They have means of monitoring your progress toward that end, and if you are found to be slacking then you will never again be eligible for public assistance of any kind.


Even so, there are ever-increasing problems with the German welfare system.
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I'm told by a German friend that if you need public assistance you can receive it, but you are expected to get a job, regardless of whether the employment available is acceptable to you.
Not only that--if they find you a job (they have a career office that works in conjunction with the unemployment office) and you refuse to take it, they end your benefits.

There was a weird situation a few years ago with a woman who refused a job as a prostitute (which is legal in Germany) and they ended her unemployment because she didn't take a job that she was qualified for.
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It works to the extent it does in Germany only because they have what most Americans would consider an "authoritarian" society.

I'm told by a German friend that if you need public assistance you can receive it, but you are expected to get a job, regardless of whether the employment available is acceptable to you.
That's true. They give you a job if you can't find one. They're all in it together. I'm OK with that.

I would say the government is more authoritative than authoritarian. Germans don't have the right to drive 40 in the left hand while talking on their cell phones. A driver's license is expensive but unnecessary because of the mass transportation and bicycle lanes they have. I'm OK with all of that too. I have know many elderly people who continued to drive even though they were a danger to themselves and others.
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The entire world is socialized. All you have is Germany? Maybe Switzerland ? Socialism is in full meltdown around the world, including the US. It doesn't work.
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