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Old 11-07-2012, 19:34   #26
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Romney lost because the other side had more folks pull the D lever

If you give enough free stuff to stupid people, you win the election
DING! DING! DING!

We have a winner!
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Old 11-07-2012, 19:44   #27
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I agree with Ryan.

Barry is a giant hypocrite.

Romney was a flip-flopper.

And yes I am happy. Fedzilla will not keep me down.
Trouble is, Fedzilla (with Hussein at the helm) is about to run over the cliff. When that happens, his re-organization plan is gonna use communism as the template...and your dope will still be illegal. As much as you'd wish otherwise, pure anarchy...with all its "freedom"...never lasts long.
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:10   #28
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Trouble is, Fedzilla (with Hussein at the helm) is about to run over the cliff. When that happens, his re-organization plan is gonna use communism as the template...and your dope will still be illegal. As much as you'd wish otherwise, pure anarchy...with all its "freedom"...never lasts long.
Trouble is we are still heading off a cliff if Mitt won. You old bastards(I mean that in the nicest way possible) and Barry and Mitt wont be around or in office when the bill is due. So why would I think they or you(general) even give a damn. And neither of their plans let the market correct itself. It's all about keeping the *******s that have voted for the demise and further despotism of America from feeling any pain through debt.



Ah, the old dope line. Well done. How much beer you drink?



And no, I'm not an anarchist. The fact that you equate Libertarianism with Anarchism tells me one thing for sure. You don't know anything about political philosophy do you?

Is there a problem with voluntary action, "freedom" for you?

Don't worry though, the police state is in firm control. Crazy libertarian, anarchist(? ) are the least of your worries.
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:17   #29
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Don't worry though, the police state is in firm control. Crazy libertarian, anarchist(? ) are the least of your worries.
They were never much more than an annoyance really. The left won't embrace fiscal responsibility and without that the Libertarians of today are nothing more than liberal democrats anyway,with goofier candidates.
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:27   #30
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They were never much more than an annoyance really. The left won't embrace fiscal responsibility and without that the Libertarians of today are nothing more than liberal democrats anyway,with goofier candidates.
Liberty.......it's so annoying.
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:32   #31
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Liberty.......it's so annoying.
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:33   #32
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Liberty.......it's so annoying.
Funny nobody ever mentions responsibility when they throw that word around. I guess some folks don't connect the two.
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Old 11-07-2012, 21:51   #33
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Great summary Ruble.
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Old 11-07-2012, 21:58   #34
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Latino vote. On the morning of the election, I read an article written by a latino that he believed 78% of Latino's would be voting for Obama. When I read that, that's when I felt it would no longer be a close election, and that's what happened. I don't know how Romney could have missed that, but I hope in the future, the Republicans do not make that mistake again. Just my two cents ...
This is so wrong on so many levels.

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Old 11-07-2012, 22:34   #35
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Many of my friends that are Republican did not vote for Romney (they voted third party, did write ins, or simply stayed home) so I think the lack of voting killed Romney. If your base is not coming out then there is a problem.

I think the best quote from one of my Republican friends was "the GOP sold out to the Tea Party and for that they are not getting my vote." Now I hear the Tea Party wants to put forth even more conservative people, or as they put it, "true conservatives" and none of these moderates like Romney, McCain, or Christie. I find this insane.

Kick the tea party out and give Rubio or someone like him a shot. The old guard of the Republican party needs to retire and let its members that are in touch with reality lead the party instead.
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Old 11-07-2012, 22:50   #36
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Many of my friends that are Republican did not vote for Romney (they voted third party, did write ins, or simply stayed home) so I think the lack of voting killed Romney. If your base is not coming out then there is a problem.

I think the best quote from one of my Republican friends was "the GOP sold out to the Tea Party and for that they are not getting my vote." Now I hear the Tea Party wants to put forth even more conservative people, or as they put it, "true conservatives" and none of these moderates like Romney, McCain, or Christie. I find this insane.

Kick the tea party out and give Rubio or someone like him a shot. The old guard of the Republican party needs to retire and let its members that are in touch with reality lead the party instead.
One thing is certain, the spin is on heavy to affect the minds of Republicans right now to move the party even further left.
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Old 11-07-2012, 22:54   #37
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One thing is certain, the spin is on heavy to affect the minds of Republicans right now to move the party even further left.
I would vote Republican again if they would just drop abortion and religion from the ticket. I am voting for a politician, not a minister. I expect my minister to care about my soul, not my governor.
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Old 11-07-2012, 22:54   #38
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Romney lost because he's OBAMA LITE and a lot of people just aren't into "LITE".

ruble noon's assertion that "conservatism" means you need to be pro-abortion, pro-"whatever" marriage, is wrong. Last I checked being a conservative meant having some basic moral values. You want no morals - the democrats will welcome you with open arms! Just leave those 20oz. soda's at the door....
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Old 11-07-2012, 23:05   #39
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Romney lost because he's OBAMA LITE and a lot of people just aren't into "LITE".

ruble noon's assertion that "conservatism" means you need to be pro-abortion, pro-"whatever" marriage, is wrong. Last I checked being a conservative meant having some basic moral values. You want no morals - the democrats will welcome you with open arms! Just leave those 20oz. soda's at the door....
I am an atheist but am a moral person. A person's political affiliation is not indicative of a moral person. If you are a Christian and follow the teachings of Christ it should not matter what party that person is in because all decisions should be made according to their belief system. However, as a politician you should vote in accordance what is best for your country and constituents, not what he or she believes. Of course, it would be nice if a politician put what they believed out into the public and they were elected based upon those beliefs -- this is often not the case.

To say the Democrats are immoral is ignorant. I can point to a list of immoral Republicans. A person's political affiliation has nothing to do with morals. Oskar Schindler was a Nazi but many would argue a moral person when it mattered most. I look at the person, not the title they hold or the party the are a member of.
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Old 11-07-2012, 23:15   #40
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The future of the republican party its to become more libertarian. Smaller goverment, more freedom, less taxes.

Leave abortion, gay marriage, and Marijuana to the states.

Look at how many states voted to make Marijuana legal? Popular opinion is quickly changing towards making the substance legal.

The GOP better make a change, and quickly or go the way of past parties.



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Old 11-07-2012, 23:35   #41
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It's all about keeping the *******s that have voted for the demise and further despotism of America from feeling any pain through debt.
My, my...we're a little testy the morning after the election. I guess that tsunami of write-in votes for Ron Paul didn't carry him into the White House.

I'm thinking that Johnson split the doper vote. RP was robbed, I tell ya.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:34   #42
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:39   #43
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Why Romney lost
Because the American people saw right through him. Just the stupid comments alone about women and rape lost him votes.

He didn't even win in his own states ..what the hell does that tell ya?
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Why Romney lost
Because the American people saw right through him. Just the stupid comments alone about women and rape lost him votes.

He didn't even win in his own states ..what the hell does that tell ya?
Ever since Romney set his sights on the White House his views became ever more extreme. As my friend from Massachusetts said, the Mitt in the first two years as Governor would not recognize the Mitt in the last two years as Governor. That is how much he flip-flopped on himself while in office and hence led to his departure. The fact that he was never going to win a second term as Governor should have been the Republican's first clue to not back him. The people saw the goods and did not like them -- why in the hell would the American people want Massachusetts's crappy leftovers.
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Old 11-08-2012, 05:59   #45
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Romney lost because he's OBAMA LITE and a lot of people just aren't into "LITE".

ruble noon's assertion that "conservatism" means you need to be pro-abortion, pro-"whatever" marriage, is wrong. Last I checked being a conservative meant having some basic moral values. You want no morals - the democrats will welcome you with open arms! Just leave those 20oz. soda's at the door....
You don't have to be pro abortion, pro gay, to be conservative you have to be pro small government. Using the government to enforce social issues is not small government.
You can have all the morals you want. You can even run around with Fred Phelps and shout god hates fags at military funerals if that's what trips your trigger, just keep social issues out of politics on a national level.
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:14   #46
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Republicans said repeatedly that they would vote for a "ham sandwich" against Obama. So that's exactly what they got as a leader: a ham sandwich. The GOP changes one way, an one way only: when they must earn your vote. You give it away for nothing, hence no change coming.
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:32   #47
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Funny nobody ever mentions responsibility when they throw that word around. I guess some folks don't connect the two.
I am responsible for myself and my family. What other responsibilites are you referring to? Paying for some old stranger's retirement?

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Old 11-08-2012, 06:34   #48
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2) The GOP did not correctly gauge a rapidly changing demographic
Ding ding ding... We have a winner right here.

Everyone thought the large Hispanic, black and youth vote that turned out in 2008 for 0bama was a one time thing. He was new, fresh and promised a lot. But they'd be disappointed and stay home this time was the conventional wisdom. WRONG!

What this election showed is that the larger turn out of these groups is the new normal. The number of Hispanics that voted this time was up 2% and will continue to grow. Every year, more young people that have spent their lives being indoctrinated by left wing liberal educators become eligible to vote. And the older conservative voters are just dying off.

Sadly, the die is cast and the numbers favor a move to socialism. That someone like 0bama, with his record of the last four years could win so decisively, hammered the point home.
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Great post, Ruble. But the moral conservative base is so strong in the GOP, is there any way to make that shift without losing that support?
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if anyone thinks the last 4 years america lost values/freedoms... wait for the results of the next 4 years of the kenyan negro that wants to be a king.. the last 4 years will look like a walk in the park..
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