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Old 11-08-2012, 21:24   #126
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First off, you do realize CF is libertarian right?

Secondly, its very telling you are willing "tax everyone" into poverty, for something that quite bluntly isn't my problem.

How about we take responsibility for ourselves? Why must we use the force of the government to confiscate wealth to what you feel is a just cause?

What makes you entitled to my money? Sounds selfish to me.

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If CF is libertarian then he effectively voted for the same guy I did. So what's his problem?

And if I don't mind paying more taxes but you do than that quite bluntly isn't my problem either so we're even. If you expect me to feel worse for your slight tax burden than I do for my girlfriends illness then you have a lot more convincing to do. Better make some coffee because you'll be up late.

I'm not entitled to your money. It's not your money. It's everyone's and when it comes to the point where some people are facing death or extreme poverty and others are swimming in cash I don't mind leveling the playing field a bit.

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Old 11-08-2012, 21:26   #127
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You sir are a patriot.
Thanks. I've been audited twice in the last three years. I refuse to play the game.
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Old 11-08-2012, 21:27   #128
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Look at it this way. If you have 3000 bushels of corn and someone else is starving then you can give them some damn corn and not really even miss it. If you think they should just starve, regardless of how they got in that situation, then you're just a selfish **** and I would vote that you give up some damn corn. If you then want to cry about it I will find that amusing as hell and enjoy the suffering that you've convinced yourself that you've been forced into so please carry on.
That can happen without the federal government doing it by force. Read my sig if you have a minute
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Old 11-08-2012, 21:34   #129
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That can happen without the federal government doing it by force. Read my sig if you have a minute
What is the enforcers cut? We're spending $61,000 per leech, how much goes to the leech?
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Old 11-08-2012, 21:38   #130
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If CF is libertarian then he effectively voted for the same guy I did. So what's his problem?

And if I don't mind paying more taxes but you do than that quite bluntly isn't my problem either so we're even. If you expect me to feel worse for your slight tax burden than I do for my girlfriends illness then you have a lot more convincing to do. Better make some coffee because you'll be up late.

I'm not entitled to your money. It's not your money. It's everyone's and when it comes to the point where some people are facing death or extreme poverty and others are swimming in cash I don't mind leveling the playing field a bit.
BS. It's not everyone's money when I earned every penny through hard work. Nobody is entitled to what I've worked for. Nobody.
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Old 11-08-2012, 21:41   #131
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BS. It's not everyone's money when I earned every penny through hard work. Nobody is entitled to what I've worked for. Nobody.
You didn't build that, you didn't earn that. Someone else made that happen.
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Old 11-08-2012, 21:46   #132
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If some people don't paying more in taxes, what's stopping them from writing an extra check to the .gov?
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Old 11-08-2012, 21:49   #133
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You're a thief. Plain and simple.

If you were a man, you would make some extra jewelry, work an extra job, do what you have to do to pay for her her drug yourself. Instead, you let her turn into a welfare case. Your girlfriend isn't my problem. You try to make it my problem and I hope she's denied treatment....rationed out. Her life isn't worth the expense. Your President won't be in office forever.
I disagreed with you on many L.E. related issues...but I'm with you on this one Certifiedfunds...

Gunhaver, you are a first-rate COMMUNIST and don't deserve to live in this country..
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Old 11-08-2012, 22:49   #134
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Democraps won because they are the party of the free cheese!

Free cheese and obamaphones for those who won't even use work in their language.

Now 30 million who won't pay a dime for health insurance will be standing in free clinic with health care better then yours.

We lost because our side didn't take this election seriously. You can't play nice guy with the socialists.
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Old 11-08-2012, 23:42   #135
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Talk is hot when, "The Gimmee Train" Rolls. But let that Train derail.

Then watch them head for the, "Cryin Barn!" I can still hear em from Katrina and now the Whole lib East Coast..

I've been Paying for the "Gimmee Train" For over fifty years. Most of the time working two and three jobs at once.... !!!!

It is said the White man in America is now the Minority.
Well, Fine!

GIMMEE MINE!!!!!!!
Bwaaaaaaa HAHAHAHAHA!
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:37   #136
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BS. It's not everyone's money when I earned every penny through hard work. Nobody is entitled to what I've worked for. Nobody.
Tell it to the tax man.
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:05   #137
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:27   #138
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That can happen without the federal government doing it by force. Read my sig if you have a minute
On a large scale? Not really. Most people are inherently selfish. I agree with you that it's not the government's job, but to say that donations and charity are enough to supply the whole country with some type of safety net is simply unrealistic.
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:32   #139
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Yeah, that sort of hypocrisy is unbelievable.
The real hypocrisy would be the thread in general chat where certifiedfunds said he didn't want to pay any taxes at all, yet he wants to partake in all of the benefits of living in a civilized society. Talk about entitlement, certified is as entitled as they come.
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:41   #140
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On a large scale? Not really. Most people are inherently selfish. I agree with you that it's not the government's job, but to say that donations and charity are enough to supply the whole country with some type of safety net is simply unrealistic.
How do you think it was done before all the socialism was in place?
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:45   #141
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Disagree. We (not you guys) lost because there are now more parasites than hosts in this country. I only hope it accelerates from here so that I am still able to contribute to the end result and see a rebuild begin.
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Plus a media that would not tell the truth on Barry and threw any mud they could at Romney.
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:47   #142
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That is exactly the kind of rhetoric that is going to drive the final nail in the GOP coffin. Rather than look inward, you blame the electorate. Rather than reexamine the party stance on social issues, you proclaim that the problem is that Mitt wasn't conservative enough. Good luck with that.
So if the gop supports abortion, gays, etc explain how will they differ from the dems?
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:51   #143
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How do you think it was done before all the socialism was in place?
The country has changed dramatically in population, infrastructure, culture and the value that's placed in personal wealth.

I am in agreement with you that the entitlements have gotten way out of control, but I do think there should be some type of safety net.
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:52   #144
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Disagree. We (not you guys) lost because there are now more parasites than hosts in this country. I only hope it accelerates from here so that I am still able to contribute to the end result and see a rebuild begin.
This is fundamentally false. Keep telling yourself this, it will just cost the GOP another election.
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:15   #145
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It's not your money. It's everyone's...
Omg.

This philosophy is where monstrosity begins.
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:18   #146
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Until someone with the courage to state the obvious comes along, we're doomed:

We have to CUT spending and RAISE taxes to balance the budget and pay off the Baby Boomer's spending party of the 1980s-2010s.

Yes, I expect this will be popular in a land of everyone else's government benefit being called "welfare" taken by "mooches".

We are godless and selfish. Until this changes, the butt warming the seat means little.
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:19   #147
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So if the gop supports abortion, gays, etc explain how will they differ from the dems?
Bingo! You're right: they differ not a bit in political or economic philosophy, not to mention their approaches to individual liberty. So the GOP remains the party of controversial social issues and big government and will continue to lose elections.
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:21   #148
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Omg.

This philosophy is where monstrosity begins.

Yup -- can't get much more Marxist than that...


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Old 11-09-2012, 05:24   #149
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It isn't a matter of getting those that do agree with you out to vote. It's because you can't convince anyone new to vote on your side. In short, you guys suck at debate.

Take a look at some of the threads on the religious issues forum and see how ineffective the arguments from the religious conservatives are. Take a look at this forum and see how anyone is treated when they express a left leaning opinion on anything. Even the third party voters weren't convinced and they lined up with you Romney supporters on many issues.

As long as abortion is always murder, gays have an agenda to destroy the traditional family, women should have rape babies and planned parenthood (which is directly responsible for many of you not making child support payments) is the major drain of tax dollars in this country, black people are the main users of welfare, and your golden boy candidate honestly believes in talking salamanders, getting his own planet and magic holy underwear then very, very few new voters are going to take you seriously.

Think about it. Who do republicans rail against? Anyone that disagrees with them. That's a whole lot of people and that was just proven to you last night. Women, gays, minorities, atheists, libertarians, poor people, sick people... that's a whole lot of people. Romney flat out said that 47% of us were worthless. Who do democrats rail against? Republicans, the rich, people that think their bible should be a guide to the law. Not nearly so many people and the points they make against those people are so much better than anything your side is saying about your enemies.

When someone comes here, or to any forum where conservatives are the majority, and expresses an opinion that differs from your own the correct response is not, "Yer jist a damned liberal!" or, "You're looking for a free ride!"

You might want to consider dumping the religious insanity that so many of us are sick of and start making some damned sense. You could stick to the fiscal matters and relay that info to the fence sitters while dumping anyone from your party that opens his stupid mouth about gays or taxpayer funded birth control.

Or you could just run Rick Santorum in 2016 on the NO MORE PORN ticket, hope for the best in one hand and frothy mix in the other and see which one fills up first.
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We will figure it out or maybe not.

Mexico, California, Detroit and much of the 3rd World have a one party system; its working out real well for them so you just might want to keep the Republicans around.

Gunhaver - You will find you and your kind are the losers in this. You will be stuck with Obama Care Pelosi exempted herself from.
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:25   #150
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Omg.

This philosophy is where monstrosity begins.
About a generation after, they get the big earth movers out to dig trenches to push the bodies into.

Folks like gunhaver always assume they'll be on the right side of those trenches when they're covered up but they're often sadly mistaken.
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