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Old 11-09-2012, 05:45   #141
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Disagree. We (not you guys) lost because there are now more parasites than hosts in this country. I only hope it accelerates from here so that I am still able to contribute to the end result and see a rebuild begin.
This^^^^^


Plus a media that would not tell the truth on Barry and threw any mud they could at Romney.
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:47   #142
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That is exactly the kind of rhetoric that is going to drive the final nail in the GOP coffin. Rather than look inward, you blame the electorate. Rather than reexamine the party stance on social issues, you proclaim that the problem is that Mitt wasn't conservative enough. Good luck with that.
So if the gop supports abortion, gays, etc explain how will they differ from the dems?
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:51   #143
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How do you think it was done before all the socialism was in place?
The country has changed dramatically in population, infrastructure, culture and the value that's placed in personal wealth.

I am in agreement with you that the entitlements have gotten way out of control, but I do think there should be some type of safety net.
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:52   #144
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Disagree. We (not you guys) lost because there are now more parasites than hosts in this country. I only hope it accelerates from here so that I am still able to contribute to the end result and see a rebuild begin.
This is fundamentally false. Keep telling yourself this, it will just cost the GOP another election.
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:15   #145
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It's not your money. It's everyone's...
Omg.

This philosophy is where monstrosity begins.
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:18   #146
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Until someone with the courage to state the obvious comes along, we're doomed:

We have to CUT spending and RAISE taxes to balance the budget and pay off the Baby Boomer's spending party of the 1980s-2010s.

Yes, I expect this will be popular in a land of everyone else's government benefit being called "welfare" taken by "mooches".

We are godless and selfish. Until this changes, the butt warming the seat means little.
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:19   #147
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So if the gop supports abortion, gays, etc explain how will they differ from the dems?
Bingo! You're right: they differ not a bit in political or economic philosophy, not to mention their approaches to individual liberty. So the GOP remains the party of controversial social issues and big government and will continue to lose elections.
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:21   #148
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Omg.

This philosophy is where monstrosity begins.

Yup -- can't get much more Marxist than that...


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Old 11-09-2012, 06:24   #149
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It isn't a matter of getting those that do agree with you out to vote. It's because you can't convince anyone new to vote on your side. In short, you guys suck at debate.

Take a look at some of the threads on the religious issues forum and see how ineffective the arguments from the religious conservatives are. Take a look at this forum and see how anyone is treated when they express a left leaning opinion on anything. Even the third party voters weren't convinced and they lined up with you Romney supporters on many issues.

As long as abortion is always murder, gays have an agenda to destroy the traditional family, women should have rape babies and planned parenthood (which is directly responsible for many of you not making child support payments) is the major drain of tax dollars in this country, black people are the main users of welfare, and your golden boy candidate honestly believes in talking salamanders, getting his own planet and magic holy underwear then very, very few new voters are going to take you seriously.

Think about it. Who do republicans rail against? Anyone that disagrees with them. That's a whole lot of people and that was just proven to you last night. Women, gays, minorities, atheists, libertarians, poor people, sick people... that's a whole lot of people. Romney flat out said that 47% of us were worthless. Who do democrats rail against? Republicans, the rich, people that think their bible should be a guide to the law. Not nearly so many people and the points they make against those people are so much better than anything your side is saying about your enemies.

When someone comes here, or to any forum where conservatives are the majority, and expresses an opinion that differs from your own the correct response is not, "Yer jist a damned liberal!" or, "You're looking for a free ride!"

You might want to consider dumping the religious insanity that so many of us are sick of and start making some damned sense. You could stick to the fiscal matters and relay that info to the fence sitters while dumping anyone from your party that opens his stupid mouth about gays or taxpayer funded birth control.

Or you could just run Rick Santorum in 2016 on the NO MORE PORN ticket, hope for the best in one hand and frothy mix in the other and see which one fills up first.
Rule 1: Never take advice from your opponent.

We will figure it out or maybe not.

Mexico, California, Detroit and much of the 3rd World have a one party system; its working out real well for them so you just might want to keep the Republicans around.

Gunhaver - You will find you and your kind are the losers in this. You will be stuck with Obama Care Pelosi exempted herself from.
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:25   #150
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Omg.

This philosophy is where monstrosity begins.
About a generation after, they get the big earth movers out to dig trenches to push the bodies into.

Folks like gunhaver always assume they'll be on the right side of those trenches when they're covered up but they're often sadly mistaken.
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:34   #151
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About a generation after, they get the big earth movers out to dig trenches to push the bodies into.

Folks like gunhaver always assume they'll be on the right side of those trenches when they're covered up but they're often sadly mistaken.
They come face to face with reality when they are kneeling in front of the trench with a gun to the back of their head.
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:35   #152
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Have a little faith, man. We'll get through this.

We've endured worse although not recently and I believe that we can come outta this once the error of these "gimme summa theirs 'cause they have more than me" policies is realized. One way or another it will have to come to a stop.

Just remember M. Thatcher's words-

"The problem with Socialism is that eventually, you run out of other people's money."

It (money) is a finite resource. Sure we can always print more, but eventually we'll demonetize the currency and even then the Left will still be handing it out for use as toilet paper to both constituencies reduced to living in the woods and under highway overpasses. Rest assured, I don't wish to see it come to that, but it very well may have to before Americans realize that "free stuff" ain't.

I don't think so. The demographics have changed and the predominant cultures are takers not producers. They have been told that the white man has kept them down when in fact it is their own culture that has limited their progress. Has any group been hated more then the Jews? Yet their culture of hard work and education has allowed them to overcome the prejudice. And what about the Indians who come to this country and are successful? Arent they dark skinned too? Its their culture that allows them to succeed over prejudice.

The gop want you to succeed the dems want you on the teat.
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:48   #153
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or maybe it's the media repeating the lies over and over and over again without any fear of being challenged.

- mitt wants to kill grandma
- mitt will make abortion illegal
- mitt will only help the rich
- mitt's budget will wipe out all social programs
- when mitt ran bain capital, he sent jobs overseas
- mitt hates gays
- the economy is recovering
- fast & furious? Never heard of it
- fast & furious? Bush started it
- embassy killings, was because of a hate film
- embassy killing? There was no prior about an attack.
- obama has improved the economy
- unemployment is down
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:51   #154
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"Seize money under threat of violence"?

You mean, "pay taxes as part of the social contract, like in every civilized society that has ever existed on earth"?
But just under 50% are not paying income tax and in fact many are receiving "refunds" on taxes they didn't pay.

That aint in my social contract.
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:57   #155
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What a terrible thing to say to someone.
He spoke the truth. How many jobs are YOU working to take care of your sick girlfriend???
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Old 11-09-2012, 07:17   #156
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It doesn't matter who it was. We passed the tipping point in 2008, we just didn't realize it. Who doesn't realize it now?

You can't outpromise the Democrats. They invented it and are masters at it.

Sometimes, things really can go past the point of being fixed.
It also ha a lot to do with identity politics. It would have been interesting to watch Heman Cain take a stab at it, but he proved not to be so bright running with that many skeletons in his closet.
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Old 11-09-2012, 07:31   #157
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The real hypocrisy would be the thread in general chat where certifiedfunds said he didn't want to pay any taxes at all, yet he wants to partake in all of the benefits of living in a civilized society. Talk about entitlement, certified is as entitled as they come.
You challenged my statistic that 100% of federal tax revenue is spent on social welfare and not infrastructure or common good services.

I provided you with a chart and math that shows just that.

Do you agree or disagree with this fact?


Without exception I have found that people who believe as you do aren't net payers into the system. No, they may not be the out and out leeches who are drawing checks but they aren't carrying a full tax load. I suspect that is the case with you too. It makes it easy to point at people like me and ridicule but the truth is you need people like me or your entire house of cards will come tumbling down.

I guess I should take comfort in the fact that it WILL come tumbling down. In fact, your election of Obama just brought it nearer.
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Old 11-09-2012, 08:01   #158
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True. The only way to win now is to pander. Are you Hispanic? We'll give you amnesty. Like leeching off society? Welfare for all. Female? Abortions on-demand up to 9 months and free birth control. Underwater on your home because you were stupid and greedy? We'll bail you out. Too much student loan debt because you picked a worthless education? We'll wipe out your debt. Etc. Gimme gimme gimme.

I can't wait until the dollar collapses and the whole thing implodes. Don't come crying to me when it does.

Right on the money. All you bleeding hearts should be careful of what you ask for.
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On a large scale? Not really. Most people are inherently selfish. I agree with you that it's not the government's job, but to say that donations and charity are enough to supply the whole country with some type of safety net is simply unrealistic.
Supplying the whole country with a safety net, or spending trillions of dollars to destroy health care, education and everything else they touch? That's what those programs have done. Why are higher education costs leaving most of a generation as indentured servants hopelessly indebted for the rest of their lives? Why do textbooks cost $150? Because the feds guaranteed money to everybody and corrupted the market. Schools charge more because they know the government is paying for it. The kids say we can't afford it, so the politicians promise more. The schools charge even more. Endless repeat, until they are charging $150 for a frickin book.

The exact same thing with the housing market- government backs mortgages that shouldn't have been made, so everybody can buy a house- prices inflate- reality eventually sets in, housing crash.

Same thing in health care. Medicare and other programs inflate prices and distort the market- an aspirin tablet costs $20 at the hospital. People ask the politicians to help them pay, even though the government created the horrible situation in the first place. Even more programs- obamacare. Even worse situation, eventually- reality will set in there too.

It's always the same. Always. More government is never the right answer. You can't save all the people, not in the real world. You say it's not realistic to think charity would be able to supply a safety net to the whole country. Who knows? Maybe if everybody didn't feel like half their money was already being confiscated by force for that safety net, more would be willing to donate some. Maybe it would only be enough to cover those who really need it, instead of being used to buy votes from leeches that won't work. God forbid. You say people are selfish- how is not selfish to take money from the government for people that could be working but won't? How is keeping what you have worked for more selfish than taking money from somebody else?

What kind of person believes they have a right to live at another's expense, from another's labor? A thief. Using the government as intermediary, as muscle, just makes one a thief by proxy. CF is right, obviously. Maybe gunhaver should pause to consider why health care is so expensive in the first place. The root of the problem is always the same.

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The real hypocrisy would be the thread in general chat where certifiedfunds said he didn't want to pay any taxes at all, yet he wants to partake in all of the benefits of living in a civilized society. Talk about entitlement, certified is as entitled as they come.
The federal government is society? We need to send trillions of dollars to washington DC to be civilized? Say what? Think about what you are saying. Please take 15 minutes and read the link in my sig.
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