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Old 11-09-2012, 19:33   #21
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I guess anyone on the losing side of an election could have said this from day one.
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Old 11-09-2012, 19:40   #22
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If that is true, then it would seem to say that voting IS pointless from here on out.
Does it cost you anything to vote? Does it take a lot of time to vote?

Keep voting otherwise they will become emboldened and keep taking from you until they have taken everything.

Never underestimate the other guy's greed.
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Old 11-09-2012, 19:40   #23
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Have the mindset that you are now living in a foreign country.
More like occupied territory.
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Old 11-09-2012, 19:43   #24
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More like occupied territory.
Yes, this more accurately describes the situation.
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Old 11-09-2012, 20:02   #25
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Yes.

And the republican party is way, way to narrow in it's membership. All of the other groups together now go to the dems. Old, rich white guys is no longer enough to carry the republican party.
What message does the Democratic Party have that draws these people in?

Should the Republican Party have a bidding war with the Democrats?
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Old 11-09-2012, 20:07   #26
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Re: OP. Yes. It is pointless. The demokrats don't have to worry about the minorities or women, etc. They've got them by the hair. Republicans don't have to worry about conservatives, etc. They've got no viable alternative. The indecisive middle of the roaders... they are up for grabs. The swing states are the only ones where candidates really have to work for votes.
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Old 11-09-2012, 20:09   #27
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No, never. You don't vote, you don't have a right to complain.
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Old 11-09-2012, 20:18   #28
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Embrace the collapse,

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Old 11-09-2012, 20:20   #29
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I can't wrap my mind around this. As best I can tell, most people in this country are now either:
  • Brainwashed by the liberal media/schools/government.
  • Single issue voters - voting for some form a handout for themselves.
  • Stupid.
  • Ignorant of real issues.
  • Blinded by race.
  • Too lazy to vote.
In any case, if the dire events of 2008-2012 were not enough to persuade the American public to remove a president like Obama from office, I have little faith in the future voting abilities of the American public.
Add to that an intrinsic bias against a successful white man who advanced the family fortune, rather than spend it on a His Grill and 24" gold spinners for his whip, (or the Caucasian version of a Ford F-250 with a lift kit and air horn.)

If we all start at age 18 with H.S. Diploma, what will the 10th or 20th high school reunion look like?

Some will have gone to college, some into the trades, others become prolific partiers, while others professional dope-fiends. Some living high on the hog, others saving and investing, rather than spending foolishly. Each will have a lifestyle they have justly earned, save some unforeseeable happenstance.

The making and accumulating of wealth is a sore issue for many. For too many, it forces one to hard look in the mirror.

Barak 'Robin Hood' Obama will take from the achievers and give to the non-achievers, after all, they really don't deserve it. They merely got lucky.
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Old 11-09-2012, 20:24   #30
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I think it is time to do away with the archaic electoral college. For most of us, there was no real vote in the presidential state. For example, in KY, I knew Romney would win by 15 percent or more, so my vote REALLY doesn't count.

If we had a national vote it would make more sense. We'd have more incentive to hit the polling places if our votes were added into a big national count. The scenerios (which we've seen recently, and could have seen this week) where one candidate wins the popular vote yet loses the electoral college, makes no sense to me. Do away with it.

But that doesn't address the OP's concerns. My advice to him is to listen to less pundits, on either side. They don't cancel out. They add up. And they add up to more BS in your head. Do your own independent research, from a variety of sources. I know it is tough for most people, especially without higher level training in weeding out the BS. Get more education. As much as you can. Take political science classes. History classes. Add to your perspective. Travel to foreign countries. Do all that, and I think you'll have a very different take on the system the next election cycle. Good luck.

P.S. I'll be in Berlin for part of December, adding to my "education."
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Old 11-09-2012, 20:30   #31
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IMHO, it's pointless now.

I personally will only vote libertarian from here on out, if I decide to vote anymore.

This country has failed. Miserably.


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Old 11-09-2012, 20:31   #32
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Vote so you can slow down the decline.

You can not stop it.

You can not reverse it.

Get what you can out of the system.
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Old 11-09-2012, 20:34   #33
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You should vote to cancel an illegal alien's vote.

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Old 11-09-2012, 20:44   #34
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What message does the Democratic Party have that draws these people in?
I experienced it growing up. "The Democrats is fur da workin man. Republicans look out for the rich.", as my father used to say.

He bought into what the working class had been taught for a few generations. Time and time again he pushed the lever for the 'D'.

In 1969 he made $9.65 per hour as a machinist. He retired in 1983 making $13.50.

He experienced 20% inflation rates, 22% interest rates and bragged about getting 6.5% on his savings account.

He never could comprehend Fiat money, its influences. He was under the belief the we were still back our paper money with gold.

He couldn't comprehend why the new car he looked today, cost twice as much as the same model four or five years ago.

He never could get his head around the Macro Economics of the late 1960's through the 1980's, driving the process that was slowly stripping him of his standard of living.

For some strange reason, he hung on to every silver coin that crossed his path...
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Old 11-09-2012, 20:48   #35
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Nice find...Good read.

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Old 11-09-2012, 20:52   #36
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It won't happen.

It hasn't happened in Europe - yet.

The USA is Europe at about 1980. But we have a larger defense budget; which will be cut in the years to come.
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Old 11-09-2012, 21:20   #37
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I think it is time to do away with the archaic electoral college. For most of us, there was no real vote in the presidential state. For example, in KY, I knew Romney would win by 15 percent or more, so my vote REALLY doesn't count.

If we had a national vote it would make more sense. We'd have more incentive to hit the polling places if our votes were added into a big national count. The scenerios (which we've seen recently, and could have seen this week) where one candidate wins the popular vote yet loses the electoral college, makes no sense to me. Do away with it.

But that doesn't address the OP's concerns. My advice to him is to listen to less pundits, on either side. They don't cancel out. They add up. And they add up to more BS in your head. Do your own independent research, from a variety of sources. I know it is tough for most people, especially without higher level training in weeding out the BS. Get more education. As much as you can. Take political science classes. History classes. Add to your perspective. Travel to foreign countries. Do all that, and I think you'll have a very different take on the system the next election cycle. Good luck.

P.S. I'll be in Berlin for part of December, adding to my "education."
You need to educate yourself on the reasoning behind the electoral college. Its as relevant today--maybe moreso--as it was 230 years ago.

The electoral college keeps the heavily populated eastern and western coastal states--NY, NJ, CA, MA, etc from dominating the Federal elections. If you turn the presidency into a popular election all the person running for president has to do is pander to a few large population centers on the east and west coast and you can forget having any influence at all with the presidential elections in Kentucky.
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Old 11-09-2012, 21:20   #38
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November 6th, 2012, changed my view of this nation.

I genuinely believed that with all the various problems and economic despair of the last 4 years, Obama would lose in some form of a historic landslide (of at least modest proportions).

For the last 4 years, I closely followed politics. I tried to educate myself the best I reasonably could to the political affairs of our nation. I tuned into political TV and radio shows, and listened to pundits. I read various print and online media. I listened to pundits I disagreed with, to hear various sides of issues.

As the election drew nearer, I was dismayed at the trivial issues that gained such widespread attention. 'Evil' Bain Capital? Mitt Romney's tax returns, and his supposed tax evasion? Rights of women to free contraceptives from the government?? How 'evil' Mitt Romney was for being wealthy?

All of these things were either trivial, misleading, false, or counter to our traditional way of life.

What about the REAL issues? What about the monumental prospect of Obamacare? What about the staggering unemployment rates, with no prospects of improvement? What about the sluggish economy? What about our massive and increasing annual deficits and federal debt? What about our huge problem with illegal immigration, with no end in sight? What about massively rising fuel and energy costs? What about Obama's failure to respond to the increasingly dangerous Iran nuclear crisis in the middle east? What about his failure to respond to recent embassy attacks? What about... etc etc.

Nope. None of that really mattered, it seemed. Especially not in the blue states, where the situations were worst (ironically). A shocking amount of voters were easily swayed in the last few weeks of the election by 30 second TV "attack ads". A shocking number of people failed to even show up to vote. More shockingly, a shocking number of people were wildly still in support of Obama, especially in the states with the worst economic woes.

I can't wrap my mind around this. As best I can tell, most people in this country are now either:
  • Brainwashed by the liberal media/schools/government.
  • Single issue voters - voting for some form a handout for themselves.
  • Stupid.
  • Ignorant of real issues.
  • Blinded by race.
  • Too lazy to vote.


In any case, if the dire events of 2008-2012 were not enough to persuade the American public to remove a president like Obama from office, I have little faith in the future voting abilities of the American public.

I voted against Obama. Did it matter? Turns out it did not.

I am genuinely angry at people who voted for Obama under some false, emotional, or selfish pretense. I feel that they should have taken more time to educate themselves on the real issues, or at least voted on issues of true national importance.

To make matters worse for conservatives, the shifting demographics of our country will provide the democrats with an even larger voting base in the future (read: more illegal immigrants and offspring)


Although, one part of me never wants to surrender to liberalism.... another part of me questions whether voting even matters anymore. Is our country lost to liberalism?
TL;DR

But you should not assume that voting is pointless just because you didn't get the outcome you wanted.
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Old 11-09-2012, 23:02   #39
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November 6th, 2012, changed my view of this nation.
I agree, this election was different than 2008. This time, we've had the chance to see him attempt to lead our nation for 4 years -- and boy has it been ugly. After watching his actions during his first term, it is simply unfathomable how any rational, responsible person could vote for him. Amazingly, he still won anyway.

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I genuinely believed that with all the various problems and economic despair of the last 4 years, Obama would lose in some form of a historic landslide (of at least modest proportions).
You weren't the only one. Unfortunately, we underestimated how much this country has changed demographically, and how firmly the carelessness of the entitlement culture has been rooted in the younger generation.

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I am genuinely angry at people who voted for Obama under some false, emotional, or selfish pretense. I feel that they should have taken more time to educate themselves on the real issues, or at least voted on issues of true national importance.
If you want to get really angry, think about this -- people who can't speak English, and who have never worked a day in their life, were the ones who cast the deciding votes for who became YOUR leader, the leader of the most powerful nation on Earth. All they care about is their "free" government handouts, and having a "cool" President.

Obama and his policies are downright un-American, and so I am also genuinely angry at those who voted for him. I have posted this elsewhere, but I'll repeat it here: "The only excuse anyone has for voting for this scum is pure ignorance, fear of losing their government handouts, a double-digit IQ, or all of the above."

That is how I feel, and I will absolutely stick with that, even if it angers friends and family members. And it has. Thankfully, virtually everyone I know did vote for Romney -- even single women. Make no mistake about it, there are some rational people still left in this country. But they are a dying breed.

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Is our country lost to liberalism?
Yes. At least for the foreseeable future. Once cancer starts spreading, it's very hard to stop. We can't ignore the grim truth. Only a revolution of epic proportions would change that, but at this point it doesn't seem likely anytime soon.

I am very proud to have been able to cast a vote for Mitt Romney, and I will continue to vote for those who I believe to be the best leaders for our country. I hope you'll do the same.

In the end, responsibility is a concept that completely eludes these Obama supporters. Voting for Barack Hussein Obama is one of the most irresponsible things that any America could have possibly done.
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Old 11-09-2012, 23:10   #40
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No, voting is not pointless. Part of our problem was not enough of us getting out to vote.

How we managed to lose against an incumbent with this record who should possibly be facing two impeachable offenses is beyond me.

My suggestions for next time, drop abortion and gay marriage, find candidates that are not multi-millionaires, no odd religions, get a minority on the ticket and support student aid.
WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER! Failure to do THIS will be the death of the party and likely the nation. Lets just pray that our nation and SC justices can hold out to 2016.
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