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Old 11-09-2012, 19:07   #26
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Re: OP. Yes. It is pointless. The demokrats don't have to worry about the minorities or women, etc. They've got them by the hair. Republicans don't have to worry about conservatives, etc. They've got no viable alternative. The indecisive middle of the roaders... they are up for grabs. The swing states are the only ones where candidates really have to work for votes.
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Old 11-09-2012, 19:09   #27
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Old 11-09-2012, 19:18   #28
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Old 11-09-2012, 19:20   #29
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I can't wrap my mind around this. As best I can tell, most people in this country are now either:
  • Brainwashed by the liberal media/schools/government.
  • Single issue voters - voting for some form a handout for themselves.
  • Stupid.
  • Ignorant of real issues.
  • Blinded by race.
  • Too lazy to vote.
In any case, if the dire events of 2008-2012 were not enough to persuade the American public to remove a president like Obama from office, I have little faith in the future voting abilities of the American public.
Add to that an intrinsic bias against a successful white man who advanced the family fortune, rather than spend it on a His Grill and 24" gold spinners for his whip, (or the Caucasian version of a Ford F-250 with a lift kit and air horn.)

If we all start at age 18 with H.S. Diploma, what will the 10th or 20th high school reunion look like?

Some will have gone to college, some into the trades, others become prolific partiers, while others professional dope-fiends. Some living high on the hog, others saving and investing, rather than spending foolishly. Each will have a lifestyle they have justly earned, save some unforeseeable happenstance.

The making and accumulating of wealth is a sore issue for many. For too many, it forces one to hard look in the mirror.

Barak 'Robin Hood' Obama will take from the achievers and give to the non-achievers, after all, they really don't deserve it. They merely got lucky.
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Old 11-09-2012, 19:24   #30
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I think it is time to do away with the archaic electoral college. For most of us, there was no real vote in the presidential state. For example, in KY, I knew Romney would win by 15 percent or more, so my vote REALLY doesn't count.

If we had a national vote it would make more sense. We'd have more incentive to hit the polling places if our votes were added into a big national count. The scenerios (which we've seen recently, and could have seen this week) where one candidate wins the popular vote yet loses the electoral college, makes no sense to me. Do away with it.

But that doesn't address the OP's concerns. My advice to him is to listen to less pundits, on either side. They don't cancel out. They add up. And they add up to more BS in your head. Do your own independent research, from a variety of sources. I know it is tough for most people, especially without higher level training in weeding out the BS. Get more education. As much as you can. Take political science classes. History classes. Add to your perspective. Travel to foreign countries. Do all that, and I think you'll have a very different take on the system the next election cycle. Good luck.

P.S. I'll be in Berlin for part of December, adding to my "education."
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Old 11-09-2012, 19:30   #31
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IMHO, it's pointless now.

I personally will only vote libertarian from here on out, if I decide to vote anymore.

This country has failed. Miserably.


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Old 11-09-2012, 19:31   #32
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Vote so you can slow down the decline.

You can not stop it.

You can not reverse it.

Get what you can out of the system.
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Old 11-09-2012, 19:34   #33
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You should vote to cancel an illegal alien's vote.

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Old 11-09-2012, 19:44   #34
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What message does the Democratic Party have that draws these people in?
I experienced it growing up. "The Democrats is fur da workin man. Republicans look out for the rich.", as my father used to say.

He bought into what the working class had been taught for a few generations. Time and time again he pushed the lever for the 'D'.

In 1969 he made $9.65 per hour as a machinist. He retired in 1983 making $13.50.

He experienced 20% inflation rates, 22% interest rates and bragged about getting 6.5% on his savings account.

He never could comprehend Fiat money, its influences. He was under the belief the we were still back our paper money with gold.

He couldn't comprehend why the new car he looked today, cost twice as much as the same model four or five years ago.

He never could get his head around the Macro Economics of the late 1960's through the 1980's, driving the process that was slowly stripping him of his standard of living.

For some strange reason, he hung on to every silver coin that crossed his path...
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Old 11-09-2012, 19:52   #36
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It won't happen.

It hasn't happened in Europe - yet.

The USA is Europe at about 1980. But we have a larger defense budget; which will be cut in the years to come.
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Old 11-09-2012, 20:20   #37
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I think it is time to do away with the archaic electoral college. For most of us, there was no real vote in the presidential state. For example, in KY, I knew Romney would win by 15 percent or more, so my vote REALLY doesn't count.

If we had a national vote it would make more sense. We'd have more incentive to hit the polling places if our votes were added into a big national count. The scenerios (which we've seen recently, and could have seen this week) where one candidate wins the popular vote yet loses the electoral college, makes no sense to me. Do away with it.

But that doesn't address the OP's concerns. My advice to him is to listen to less pundits, on either side. They don't cancel out. They add up. And they add up to more BS in your head. Do your own independent research, from a variety of sources. I know it is tough for most people, especially without higher level training in weeding out the BS. Get more education. As much as you can. Take political science classes. History classes. Add to your perspective. Travel to foreign countries. Do all that, and I think you'll have a very different take on the system the next election cycle. Good luck.

P.S. I'll be in Berlin for part of December, adding to my "education."
You need to educate yourself on the reasoning behind the electoral college. Its as relevant today--maybe moreso--as it was 230 years ago.

The electoral college keeps the heavily populated eastern and western coastal states--NY, NJ, CA, MA, etc from dominating the Federal elections. If you turn the presidency into a popular election all the person running for president has to do is pander to a few large population centers on the east and west coast and you can forget having any influence at all with the presidential elections in Kentucky.
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Old 11-09-2012, 20:20   #38
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November 6th, 2012, changed my view of this nation.

I genuinely believed that with all the various problems and economic despair of the last 4 years, Obama would lose in some form of a historic landslide (of at least modest proportions).

For the last 4 years, I closely followed politics. I tried to educate myself the best I reasonably could to the political affairs of our nation. I tuned into political TV and radio shows, and listened to pundits. I read various print and online media. I listened to pundits I disagreed with, to hear various sides of issues.

As the election drew nearer, I was dismayed at the trivial issues that gained such widespread attention. 'Evil' Bain Capital? Mitt Romney's tax returns, and his supposed tax evasion? Rights of women to free contraceptives from the government?? How 'evil' Mitt Romney was for being wealthy?

All of these things were either trivial, misleading, false, or counter to our traditional way of life.

What about the REAL issues? What about the monumental prospect of Obamacare? What about the staggering unemployment rates, with no prospects of improvement? What about the sluggish economy? What about our massive and increasing annual deficits and federal debt? What about our huge problem with illegal immigration, with no end in sight? What about massively rising fuel and energy costs? What about Obama's failure to respond to the increasingly dangerous Iran nuclear crisis in the middle east? What about his failure to respond to recent embassy attacks? What about... etc etc.

Nope. None of that really mattered, it seemed. Especially not in the blue states, where the situations were worst (ironically). A shocking amount of voters were easily swayed in the last few weeks of the election by 30 second TV "attack ads". A shocking number of people failed to even show up to vote. More shockingly, a shocking number of people were wildly still in support of Obama, especially in the states with the worst economic woes.

I can't wrap my mind around this. As best I can tell, most people in this country are now either:
  • Brainwashed by the liberal media/schools/government.
  • Single issue voters - voting for some form a handout for themselves.
  • Stupid.
  • Ignorant of real issues.
  • Blinded by race.
  • Too lazy to vote.


In any case, if the dire events of 2008-2012 were not enough to persuade the American public to remove a president like Obama from office, I have little faith in the future voting abilities of the American public.

I voted against Obama. Did it matter? Turns out it did not.

I am genuinely angry at people who voted for Obama under some false, emotional, or selfish pretense. I feel that they should have taken more time to educate themselves on the real issues, or at least voted on issues of true national importance.

To make matters worse for conservatives, the shifting demographics of our country will provide the democrats with an even larger voting base in the future (read: more illegal immigrants and offspring)


Although, one part of me never wants to surrender to liberalism.... another part of me questions whether voting even matters anymore. Is our country lost to liberalism?
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But you should not assume that voting is pointless just because you didn't get the outcome you wanted.
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November 6th, 2012, changed my view of this nation.
I agree, this election was different than 2008. This time, we've had the chance to see him attempt to lead our nation for 4 years -- and boy has it been ugly. After watching his actions during his first term, it is simply unfathomable how any rational, responsible person could vote for him. Amazingly, he still won anyway.

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I genuinely believed that with all the various problems and economic despair of the last 4 years, Obama would lose in some form of a historic landslide (of at least modest proportions).
You weren't the only one. Unfortunately, we underestimated how much this country has changed demographically, and how firmly the carelessness of the entitlement culture has been rooted in the younger generation.

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I am genuinely angry at people who voted for Obama under some false, emotional, or selfish pretense. I feel that they should have taken more time to educate themselves on the real issues, or at least voted on issues of true national importance.
If you want to get really angry, think about this -- people who can't speak English, and who have never worked a day in their life, were the ones who cast the deciding votes for who became YOUR leader, the leader of the most powerful nation on Earth. All they care about is their "free" government handouts, and having a "cool" President.

Obama and his policies are downright un-American, and so I am also genuinely angry at those who voted for him. I have posted this elsewhere, but I'll repeat it here: "The only excuse anyone has for voting for this scum is pure ignorance, fear of losing their government handouts, a double-digit IQ, or all of the above."

That is how I feel, and I will absolutely stick with that, even if it angers friends and family members. And it has. Thankfully, virtually everyone I know did vote for Romney -- even single women. Make no mistake about it, there are some rational people still left in this country. But they are a dying breed.

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Yes. At least for the foreseeable future. Once cancer starts spreading, it's very hard to stop. We can't ignore the grim truth. Only a revolution of epic proportions would change that, but at this point it doesn't seem likely anytime soon.

I am very proud to have been able to cast a vote for Mitt Romney, and I will continue to vote for those who I believe to be the best leaders for our country. I hope you'll do the same.

In the end, responsibility is a concept that completely eludes these Obama supporters. Voting for Barack Hussein Obama is one of the most irresponsible things that any America could have possibly done.
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No, voting is not pointless. Part of our problem was not enough of us getting out to vote.

How we managed to lose against an incumbent with this record who should possibly be facing two impeachable offenses is beyond me.

My suggestions for next time, drop abortion and gay marriage, find candidates that are not multi-millionaires, no odd religions, get a minority on the ticket and support student aid.
WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER! Failure to do THIS will be the death of the party and likely the nation. Lets just pray that our nation and SC justices can hold out to 2016.
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Old 11-09-2012, 22:13   #41
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I agree, this election was different than 2008. This time, we've had the chance to see him attempt to lead our nation for 4 years -- and boy has it been ugly. After watching his actions during his first term, it is simply unfathomable how any rational, responsible person could vote for him. Amazingly, he still won anyway.



You weren't the only one. Unfortunately, we underestimated how much this country has changed demographically, and how firmly the carelessness of the entitlement culture has been rooted in the younger generation.



If you want to get really angry, think about this -- people who can't speak English, and who have never worked a day in their life, were the ones who cast the deciding votes for who become YOUR leader, the leader of the most powerful nation on Earth. All they care about is their "free" government handouts, and having a "cool" President.

Obama and his policies are downright un-American, and so I am also genuinely angry at those who voted for him. I have posted this elsewhere, but I'll repeat it here: "The only excuse anyone has for voting for this scum is pure ignorance, fear of losing their government handouts, a double-digit IQ, or all of the above."

That is how I feel, and I will absolutely stick with that, even if it angers friends and family members. And it has. Thankfully, virtually everyone I know did vote for Romney -- even single women. Make no mistake about it, there are some rational people still left in this country. But they are a dying breed.



Yes. At least for the foreseeable future. Once cancer starts spreading, it's very hard to stop. We can't ignore the grim truth. Only a revolution of epic proportions would change that, but at this point it doesn't seem likely anytime soon.

I am very proud to have been able to cast a vote for Mitt Romney, and I will continue to vote for those who I believe to be the best leaders for our country. I hope you'll do the same.

In the end, responsibility is a concept that completely eludes these Obama supporters. Voting for Barack Hussein Obama is one of the most irresponsible things that any America could have possibly done.
You summed up my feelings excellently. Great post!
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No, voting is not pointless. Part of our problem was not enough of us getting out to vote.

How we managed to lose against an incumbent with this record who should possibly be facing two impeachable offenses is beyond me.

My suggestions for next time, drop abortion and gay marriage, find candidates that are not multi-millionaires, no odd religions, get a minority on the ticket and support student aid.
You're basically saying that conservatives must abandon very important parts of their core values.

Well, guess what: The problem is NOT the values that conservatives stand for. The problem is an ignorant, irresponsible, and careless populace. Something needs to be done to get these people to see that they must start becoming more responsible if this nation is to have a future.
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I really don't understand why people are so surprised Romney lost, he's a moron. "Oh why yes I do believe in Problem A." "What do you mean I said I believe in Problem A? That's total crap." "Well, yes, I did say I believe in Problem A, but now you're trying to take it out of context." "No, I never said I believed in Problem A, I said I believed in Problem B."

The guy had such a terrible time keeping his story straight that a cop would accuse him of being intoxicated if he gave that story during a traffic stop. He's just a horrible, horrible candidate that never should have won the Republican nomination. It's not at all a surprise that he lost. Quit trying to blame everybody else and step back and take a look at the candidate, and you'll realize why Obama won another four years.

Your disdain for women and letting other people make their own decisions also doesn't help.
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You're basically saying that conservatives must abandon very important parts of their core values.

Well, guess what: The problem is NOT the values that conservatives stand for. The problem is an ignorant, irresponsible, and careless populace. Something needs to be done to get these people to see that they must start becoming more responsible if this nation is to have a future.
Sorry but that ship has sailed. Theres no selling anti abortion anti gay or anti contraception to the bulk of the populace anymore and this election proves it. We need to give that up or we wont have a country at all and then what does all that **** matter anyway?
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You're basically saying that conservatives must abandon very important parts of their core values.

Well, guess what: The problem is NOT the values that conservatives stand for. The problem is an ignorant, irresponsible, and careless populace. Something needs to be done to get these people to see that they must start becoming more responsible if this nation is to have a future.
I think he's basically saying the conservatives need to abandon all the stupid **** they keep going on, and on, and on about, where their view is radically different from the general population, and start worrying about stuff that matters.

It's no surprise more republicans don't get elected when they keep spreading anti-women and anti-gay messages to all of the women and gay people of the country.

Want to get elected? Drop the crap nobody agrees with, and speak to the people, tell them what they want to hear, not what you want to hear, and then more republicans might get elected.

Keep telling all the gay people how evil and horrible they are, and they'll keep voting democrat.

Start accepting them, tell them they're good people and they should be able to be happy and live their life how they want to live it, and they might start voting for you.

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Sorry but that ship has sailed. Theres no selling anti abortion anti gay or anti contraception to the bulk of the populace anymore and this election proves it. We need to give that up or we wont have a country at all and then what does all that **** matter anyway?
Note that I did not say it was a solvable problem (the general ignorance of our population) -- I just said that this is what the *real* problem is.

Being forced to choose between failure or abandoning your beliefs is an extraordinarily difficult choice. It is something that many are unwilling to do... which is why I wish there was another way to attempt to educate these people. Stupid is as stupid does, though...
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Note that I did not say it was a solvable problem (the general ignorance of our population) -- I just said that this is what the *real* problem is.

Being forced to choose between failure or abandoning your beliefs is an extraordinarily difficult choice. It is something that many are unwilling to do... which is why I wish there was another way to attempt to educate these people. Stupid is as stupid does, though...
I couldnt agree more but I see no other way for us to even remain relevant.
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November 6th, 2012, changed my view of this nation.

I genuinely believed that with all the various problems and economic despair of the last 4 years, Obama would lose in some form of a historic landslide (of at least modest proportions).

For the last 4 years, I closely followed politics. I tried to educate myself the best I reasonably could to the political affairs of our nation. I tuned into political TV and radio shows, and listened to pundits. I read various print and online media. I listened to pundits I disagreed with, to hear various sides of issues.

As the election drew nearer, I was dismayed at the trivial issues that gained such widespread attention. 'Evil' Bain Capital? Mitt Romney's tax returns, and his supposed tax evasion? Rights of women to free contraceptives from the government?? How 'evil' Mitt Romney was for being wealthy?

All of these things were either trivial, misleading, false, or counter to our traditional way of life.

What about the REAL issues? What about the monumental prospect of Obamacare? What about the staggering unemployment rates, with no prospects of improvement? What about the sluggish economy? What about our massive and increasing annual deficits and federal debt? What about our huge problem with illegal immigration, with no end in sight? What about massively rising fuel and energy costs? What about Obama's failure to respond to the increasingly dangerous Iran nuclear crisis in the middle east? What about his failure to respond to recent embassy attacks? What about... etc etc.

Nope. None of that really mattered, it seemed. Especially not in the blue states, where the situations were worst (ironically). A shocking amount of voters were easily swayed in the last few weeks of the election by 30 second TV "attack ads". A shocking number of people failed to even show up to vote. More shockingly, a shocking number of people were wildly still in support of Obama, especially in the states with the worst economic woes.

I can't wrap my mind around this. As best I can tell, most people in this country are now either:
  • Brainwashed by the liberal media/schools/government.
  • Single issue voters - voting for some form a handout for themselves.
  • Stupid.
  • Ignorant of real issues.
  • Blinded by race.
  • Too lazy to vote.


In any case, if the dire events of 2008-2012 were not enough to persuade the American public to remove a president like Obama from office, I have little faith in the future voting abilities of the American public.

I voted against Obama. Did it matter? Turns out it did not.

I am genuinely angry at people who voted for Obama under some false, emotional, or selfish pretense. I feel that they should have taken more time to educate themselves on the real issues, or at least voted on issues of true national importance.

To make matters worse for conservatives, the shifting demographics of our country will provide the democrats with an even larger voting base in the future (read: more illegal immigrants and offspring)


Although, one part of me never wants to surrender to liberalism.... another part of me questions whether voting even matters anymore. Is our country lost to liberalism?
Regardless of the conclusions you have drawn from your research, there are just as many people who disagree with you. Enough in fact that Obama was re-elected. Obviously, a great many people who voted for Obama did so having no real articulable reason for doing so. A lot of other people did so having plenty of reasons which were important to them-my mother being one of them.

My mother is a highly educated, highly intelligent person who never does anything without considerable research and thought. She is, and has always been Liberal. She can argue her beliefs quite well.

Ultimately the real issues as you say, are only real because you believe them to be. What is your reality is far different than someone else's and that's fine.

Most of the real issues-regardless of how one views them-are far to complex for 99.99% of the population to fathom so both sides attack each other on little issues more easily spoon fed to the American people.

Your question about whether voting is pointless is silly at best.

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Being forced to choose between failure or abandoning your beliefs is an extraordinarily difficult choice. It is something that many are unwilling to do...
Which is why Republicans keep losing. Learn how to let the small fish go and worry about the big fish. Keep worrying about forcing your beliefs upon others, and you'll keep losing elections. Start worrying about what the voters want, and you might start winning, eventually.
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I really don't understand why people are so surprised Romney lost, he's a moron. "Oh why yes I do believe in Problem A." "What do you mean I said I believe in Problem A? That's total crap." "Well, yes, I did say I believe in Problem A, but now you're trying to take it out of context." "No, I never said I believed in Problem A, I said I believed in Problem B."

The guy had such a terrible time keeping his story straight that a cop would accuse him of being intoxicated if he gave that story during a traffic stop. He's just a horrible, horrible candidate that never should have won the Republican nomination. It's not at all a surprise that he lost. Quit trying to blame everybody else and step back and take a look at the candidate, and you'll realize why Obama won another four years.

Your disdain for women and letting other people make their own decisions also doesn't help.
+1 I couldn't have said it better and people need to stop blaming Obama for the state that our country is in. George Bush is the reason for all of this. People need to wake up and face the cold hard facts and stop the hate, handout this handout that lol that's all I'm hearing. We do not need another greedy republican at the wheel causing us all this damage, look how hard it is to recover from it. Even 4 years wasn't enough time to repair the damage that BUSH caused and no man could've gotten us back to the state we was in back when Clinton was in office republican or democrat White or Black.

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