[Landmonster]

Originally Posted by Goldendog Redux

Regardless of the conclusions you have drawn from your research, there are just as many people who disagree with you. Enough in fact that Obama was re-elected. Obviously, a great many people who voted for Obama did so having no real articulable reason for doing so. A lot of other people did so having plenty of reasons which were important to them-my mother being one of them.

My mother is a highly educated, highly intelligent person who never does anything without considerable research and thought. She is, and has always been Liberal. She can argue her beliefs quite well.

Ultimately the real issues as you say, are only real because you believe them to be. What is your reality is far different than someone else's and that's fine.

Most of the real issues-regardless of how one views them-are far to complex for 99.99% of the population to fathom so both sides attack each other on little issues more easily spoon fed to the American people.

Your question about whether voting is pointless is silly at best.

MF

First of all, I challenge your assertion that any truly, "highly intelligent" person can be liberal. Thus, if a person is liberal, he or she therefore cannot be "highly intelligent". Liberalism is the ideology of the stupid. It is also the ideology of the evil. Take your pick.

Second, the real issues are not too complex for "99.99% of the population to fathom". You're saying only 1 in 10,000 people has the capability to understand these things. I disagree. Most educated people should be able to understand fundamentally sound economic concepts, basic business concepts, and historical reviews of what has worked and what hasn't. This is what we are talking about, mostly. This isn't rocket science here.

Third, I say that reality is reality. Reality doesn't depend on who's context you're taking. It's like truth. People can perceive it in different ways, but there is one correct way.

[podwich]

Originally Posted by vdub804

+1 I couldn't have said it better and people need to stop blaming Obama for the state that our country is in. George Bush is the reason for all of this. People need to wake up and face the cold hard facts and stop the hate, handout this handout that lol that's all I'm hearing. We do not need another greedy republican at the wheel causing us all this damage, look how hard it is to recover from it. Even 4 years wasn't enough time to repair the damage that BUSH caused and no man could've gotten us back to the state we was in back when Clinton was in office republican or democrat White or Black.

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Well, we found one of the double-digit IQ people.

[Andrewsky]

Originally Posted by Goldendog Redux

Regardless of the conclusions you have drawn from your research, there are just as many people who disagree with you. Enough in fact that Obama was re-elected. Obviously, a great many people who voted for Obama did so having no real articulable reason for doing so. A lot of other people did so having plenty of reasons which were important to them-my mother being one of them.

My mother is a highly educated, highly intelligent person who never does anything without considerable research and thought. She is, and has always been Liberal. She can argue her beliefs quite well.

Ultimately the real issues as you say, are only real because you believe them to be. What is your reality is far different than someone else's and that's fine.

Most of the real issues-regardless of how one views them-are far to complex for 99.99% of the population to fathom so both sides attack each other on little issues more easily spoon fed to the American people.

Your question about whether voting is pointless is silly at best.

MF

No rational person who has put in "considerable research and thought" would ever support the socialist policies of the democrats, unless the ultimate goal is destroying the country.

[Goldendog Redux]

Originally Posted by Landmonster

First of all, I challenge your assertion that any truly, "highly intelligent" person can be liberal. Thus, if a person is liberal, he or she therefore cannot be "highly intelligent". Liberalism is the ideology of the stupid. It is also the ideology of the evil. Take your pick.

Second, the real issues are not too complex for "99.99% of the population to fathom". You're saying only 1 in 10,000 people has the capability to understand these things. I disagree. Most educated people should be able to understand fundamentally sound economic concepts, basic business concepts, and historical reviews of what has worked and what hasn't. This is what we are talking about, mostly. This isn't rocket science here.

Third, I say that reality is reality. Reality doesn't depend on who's context you're taking. It's like truth. People can perceive it in different ways, but there is one correct way.

Again, your views are just that, your views. You are entitled to them. I am not even arguing whether you are right or wrong.

But like my opinions, no one really cares about yours.

MF

[Andrewsky]

Originally Posted by Goldendog Redux

Again, your views are just that, your views. You are entitled to them. I am not even arguing whether you are right or wrong.

But like my opinions, no one really cares about yours.

MF

Is this some kind of half-hearted existential nihilism? Why not go all the way and say nothing matters?

[vdub804]

Originally Posted by podwich

Well, we found one of the double-digit IQ people.

If that's the case I was smart enough to make myself rich so I'm pretty happy with my double digit IQ :D

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[Goldendog Redux]

Originally Posted by Andrewsky

Is this some kind of half-hearted existential nihilism? Why not go all the way and say nothing matters?

You are reading way too much into it.

[Hef]

Originally Posted by arizona_andy

You're basically saying that conservatives must abandon very important parts of their core values.

Well, guess what: The problem is NOT the values that conservatives stand for. The problem is an ignorant, irresponsible, and careless populace. Something needs to be done to get these people to see that they must start becoming more responsible if this nation is to have a future.

Yeah, good luck with that. Most people are shortsighted fools who survive to adulthood solely because no predator has come along to remove them from the gene pool.

There was a reason why the right to vote was reserved to land owners when our country was founded. They had something to lose. Today, you have the 47% whose vote can be bought with the fruits of the labor of the 53%, though it seems since Tuesday that it is now a majority whose vote can be bought.

[frizz]

Originally Posted by Highspeedlane

Voting is promoted as a symbol of "democracy", but it does little good when the candidates you have to choose from are 1) evil and 2) lesser of two evils, one election after another.

I was going to say this, but also...

Voting has been pointless for quite some time.

[Roger1079]

For anyone that said voting isn't pointless, you obviously don't have to vote in Florida. When was the count officially done here for this election? It is the same type of garbage here every time there is an election. The saddest part about that is we actually have enough electoral votes to really matter.

Aside from that, until Republican politicians learn to STFU about sensitive issues like rape, abortion, and a few other things, we are going to be screwed. How about keeping your beliefs to yourself when they are about issues sensitive enough to swing voters in large amounts?

The saying my parents used to tell me was "Children are better seen and not heard." Apparently so are certain republican politicians.

[cowboywannabe]

the genes which fostered freedom over dependence have been bred out of Americans by the brainwashing media, the intellectually inept, the dregs of society which mooch all they can. the American spirit is broken and Stalin's dream is becoming reality. get use to it drone and get back to work.

[2@low8]

Originally Posted by TK-421

I think he's basically saying the conservatives need to abandon all the stupid **** they keep going on, and on, and on about, where their view is radically different from the general population, and start worrying about stuff that matters.

It's no surprise more republicans don't get elected when they keep spreading anti-women and anti-gay messages to all of the women and gay people of the country.

Want to get elected? Drop the crap nobody agrees with, and speak to the people, tell them what they want to hear, not what you want to hear, and then more republicans might get elected.

Keep telling all the gay people how evil and horrible they are, and they'll keep voting democrat.

Start accepting them, tell them they're good people and they should be able to be happy and live their life how they want to live it, and they might start voting for you.

Yeah, right. We can drop all that and then we can be just like the Democrats. Good plan.

[Restless28]

Originally Posted by 2@low8

Yeah, right. We can drop all that and then we can be just like the Democrats. Good plan.

The GOP needs a big dose of libertarianism.

A big dose of true liberty and freedom is the cure. If Democrats knew that the Libertarian platform espouses more freedom than the Democratic platform, maybe they would vote GOP.

Of course, this is a pipe dream now. The big money in the GOP will never allow this to happen. They shun libertarians and embrace the very powerful religious right.

All this being said, I feel that the ship has sailed on regaining power for republicans. The takers outnumber the makers and the number of them are growing faster than ever.

[NJ1911]

I have or should I say had a couple of very liberal friends. One spewed a bunch of lies about Republicans prior to the election and when I countered with facts she became more enraged and we no longer speak. Recently I was involved in a debate with her sister when I mentioned being less free after this election. She asked how I was less free, and countered with "well at least my uterus is free and my gay friends right to have a relationship recognized by the .gov". These issues lost the election for Romney, but the bigger problem is people like these two girls would rather watch the country burn down around them then admit the country/economy doesn't run on a free uterus or a gay marriage. The even bigger problem is there are millions who feel the exact same way.

[Restless28]

Originally Posted by NJ1911

I have or should I say had a couple of very liberal friends. One spewed a bunch of lies about Republicans prior to the election and when I countered with facts she became more enraged and we no longer speak. Recently I was involved in a debate with her sister when I mentioned being less free after this election. She asked how I was less free, and countered with "well at least my uterus is free and my gay friends right to have a relationship recognized by the .gov". These issues lost the election for Romney, but the bigger problem is people like these two girls would rather watch the country burn down around them then admit the country/economy doesn't run on a free uterus or a gay marriage. The even bigger problem is there are millions who feel the exact same way.

Yes. Americans by and large, are stupid about the real world.

[PaulMason]

Originally Posted by arizona_andy

I agree, this election was different than 2008. This time, we've had the chance to see him attempt to lead our nation for 4 years -- and boy has it been ugly. After watching his actions during his first term, it is simply unfathomable how any rational, responsible person could vote for him. Amazingly, he still won anyway.

I agree fully with both of you said.

[PaulMason]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SunsetMan
No, voting is not pointless. Part of our problem was not enough of us getting out to vote.

How we managed to lose against an incumbent with this record who should possibly be facing two impeachable offenses is beyond me.

My suggestions for next time, drop abortion and gay marriage, find candidates that are not multi-millionaires, no odd religions, get a minority on the ticket and support student aid.

Originally Posted by NickC50310

WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER! Failure to do THIS will be the death of the party and likely the nation. Lets just pray that our nation and SC justices can hold out to 2016.

No it won't. The Ds use fear effectively. Even if the Rs did what you said the Ds would still campaign that the Rs against women's rights, and gays. Note that Romney didn't have a position against either.

Also, note how the Ds still say that the Rs are for big business. They have been saying this since the 1930s.

[PaulMason]

Originally Posted by vdub804

+1 I couldn't have said it better and people need to stop blaming Obama for the state that our country is in. George Bush is the reason for all of this. People need to wake up and face the cold hard facts and stop the hate, handout this handout that lol that's all I'm hearing. We do not need another greedy republican at the wheel causing us all this damage, look how hard it is to recover from it. Even 4 years wasn't enough time to repair the damage that BUSH caused and no man could've gotten us back to the state we was in back when Clinton was in office republican or democrat White or Black.

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Sad - it is neither of them. Whatever you think he problems are that Bush caused - read history to find their origins.

[PaulMason]

Originally Posted by cowboywannabe

the genes which fostered freedom over dependence have been bred out of Americans by the brainwashing media, the intellectually inept, the dregs of society which mooch all they can. the American spirit is broken and Stalin's dream is becoming reality. get use to it drone and get back to work.

Good insight.

[PaulMason]

Originally Posted by NJ1911

I have or should I say had a couple of very liberal friends. One spewed a bunch of lies about Republicans prior to the election and when I countered with facts she became more enraged and we no longer speak. Recently I was involved in a debate with her sister when I mentioned being less free after this election. She asked how I was less free, and countered with "well at least my uterus is free and my gay friends right to have a relationship recognized by the .gov". These issues lost the election for Romney, but the bigger problem is people like these two girls would rather watch the country burn down around them then admit the country/economy doesn't run on a free uterus or a gay marriage. The even bigger problem is there are millions who feel the exact same way.

Feelings Vs Reasoning

[Paul7]

Just out of principle, I will continue to vote every two years, with low expectations.

[Paul7]

Originally Posted by Restless28

The GOP needs a big dose of libertarianism.

A big dose of true liberty and freedom is the cure. If Democrats knew that the Libertarian platform espouses more freedom than the Democratic platform, maybe they would vote GOP.

Of course, this is a pipe dream now. The big money in the GOP will never allow this to happen. They shun libertarians and embrace the very powerful religious right.

All this being said, I feel that the ship has sailed on regaining power for republicans. The takers outnumber the makers and the number of them are growing faster than ever.

If the voters rejected the candidate this time around who offered more freedom, why would they vote for a candidate that offered even more freedom?

The leeches are much more into dependency than freedom.

[SevenSixtyTwo]

Maybe we could go back to the primaries and do it all over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQwrB1vu74c&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQwrB1vu74c&feature=related

[norton]

Originally Posted by Restless28

The GOP needs a big dose of libertarianism.

A big dose of true liberty and freedom is the cure. If Democrats knew that the Libertarian platform espouses more freedom than the Democratic platform, maybe they would vote GOP.

Of course, this is a pipe dream now. The big money in the GOP will never allow this to happen. They shun libertarians and embrace the very powerful religious right.

All this being said, I feel that the ship has sailed on regaining power for republicans. The takers outnumber the makers and the number of them are growing faster than ever.

Libertarians aren't going to win anything until they stop putting up clowns for election. In my state, Rupert, the doofus from Survivor was the L candidate for Governor. It was a complete joke.
If you flushed all of the religious right, who would take their place at the voting booth? The R/R would start their own third party- or just not bother to vote. Either way is not a path to success for the Republicans.

[onebigelf]

Extensive double registering and voting in the swing states. Organized registration of one person by their first and last names and by their middle and last names, both to the same address. One absentee or early vote, one on election day. Early estimates by the GOP and True the Vote are in the 1.5 to 1.75 MILLION vote range. Not even sure they're going to make a stink about it because 1) The dems and the media will paint it as sour grapes, 2) the damage to voter confidence has repercussions beyond this election, 3) in most states, including Florida, vote fraud, even if proven, doesn't overturn the election.

John