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Old 11-10-2012, 15:03   #76
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Voting matters and every vote counts.

Just ask obama and the democrats.
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Old 11-10-2012, 16:05   #77
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November 6th, 2012, changed my view of this nation.

I genuinely believed that with all the various problems and economic despair of the last 4 years, Obama would lose in some form of a historic landslide (of at least modest proportions).

For the last 4 years, I closely followed politics. I tried to educate myself the best I reasonably could to the political affairs of our nation. I tuned into political TV and radio shows, and listened to pundits. I read various print and online media. I listened to pundits I disagreed with, to hear various sides of issues.

As the election drew nearer, I was dismayed at the trivial issues that gained such widespread attention. 'Evil' Bain Capital? Mitt Romney's tax returns, and his supposed tax evasion? Rights of women to free contraceptives from the government?? How 'evil' Mitt Romney was for being wealthy?

All of these things were either trivial, misleading, false, or counter to our traditional way of life.

What about the REAL issues? What about the monumental prospect of Obamacare? What about the staggering unemployment rates, with no prospects of improvement? What about the sluggish economy? What about our massive and increasing annual deficits and federal debt? What about our huge problem with illegal immigration, with no end in sight? What about massively rising fuel and energy costs? What about Obama's failure to respond to the increasingly dangerous Iran nuclear crisis in the middle east? What about his failure to respond to recent embassy attacks? What about... etc etc.

Nope. None of that really mattered, it seemed. Especially not in the blue states, where the situations were worst (ironically). A shocking amount of voters were easily swayed in the last few weeks of the election by 30 second TV "attack ads". A shocking number of people failed to even show up to vote. More shockingly, a shocking number of people were wildly still in support of Obama, especially in the states with the worst economic woes.

I can't wrap my mind around this. As best I can tell, most people in this country are now either:
  • Brainwashed by the liberal media/schools/government.
  • Single issue voters - voting for some form a handout for themselves.
  • Stupid.
  • Ignorant of real issues.
  • Blinded by race.
  • Too lazy to vote.


In any case, if the dire events of 2008-2012 were not enough to persuade the American public to remove a president like Obama from office, I have little faith in the future voting abilities of the American public.

I voted against Obama. Did it matter? Turns out it did not.

I am genuinely angry at people who voted for Obama under some false, emotional, or selfish pretense. I feel that they should have taken more time to educate themselves on the real issues, or at least voted on issues of true national importance.

To make matters worse for conservatives, the shifting demographics of our country will provide the democrats with an even larger voting base in the future (read: more illegal immigrants and offspring)


Although, one part of me never wants to surrender to liberalism.... another part of me questions whether voting even matters anymore. Is our country lost to liberalism?
Nicely written, and evidence of your serious desire to be well informed. But what else did you do?

Did you invest time and money in the actual battle? Did you make phone calls or participate in any grassroots effort? The Ds did all of this stuff in grand form and won with an inferior candidate, a dangerous philosophy and a planless message.

Don't think being an informed citizen is enough. I'm willing to wager that most GT conservatives spent a lot more time here than they devoted to work for conservative causes during this election cycle. I did, and I'm ashamed of it. Part of the blame for this election failure belongs to me. And you.

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Old 11-10-2012, 17:14   #78
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No, voting is not pointless. Part of our problem was not enough of us getting out to vote.

How we managed to lose against an incumbent with this record who should possibly be facing two impeachable offenses is beyond me.

My suggestions for next time, drop abortion and gay marriage, find candidates that are not multi-millionaires, no odd religions, get a minority on the ticket and support student aid.







No it won't. The Ds use fear effectively. Even if the Rs did what you said the Ds would still campaign that the Rs against women's rights, and gays. Note that Romney didn't have a position against either.

Also, note how the Ds still say that the Rs are for big business. They have been saying this since the 1930s.
We still need to try. If I recall correctly Ryan said he was pro life in the debate. I thought Romney was for overturning Roe V Wade, maybe I see too much main stream media.

We are for big business, they create jobs.
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Old 11-11-2012, 06:44   #79
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This country's problems are far beyond repair via the ballot box.
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this country's problems are far beyond repair via the ballot box.
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Old 11-11-2012, 07:13   #81
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The historical cycle seems to be: From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to apathy; from apathy to dependency; and from dependency back to bondage once more.

A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
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Old 11-11-2012, 10:33   #82
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This country's problems are far beyond repair via the ballot box.
The country's problems can be overcome with leadership that puts restoring greatness ahead of political ambition and party base appeasement. Political dogma has to be replaced by pragmatic problem solving.

Strong intellect, leadership skill, vision, character, master of communication and negotiation, credibility based on a lifetime of accomplishment are some of the required attributes.

There are men and women out there who, if motivated to serve, can get us back on track. We have recovered from desperate times in the past and can again. Civil War, world wars, economic collapse, and more have challenged the American spirit. And, we've come back as strong as ever.
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Old 11-11-2012, 10:45   #83
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The country's problems can be overcome with leadership that puts restoring greatness ahead of political ambition and party base appeasement. Political dogma has to be replaced by pragmatic problem solving.

Strong intellect, leadership skill, vision, character, master of communication and negotiation, credibility based on a lifetime of accomplishment are some of the required attributes.

There are men and women out there who, if motivated to serve, can get us back on track. We have recovered from desperate times in the past and can again. Civil War, world wars, economic collapse, and more have challenged the American spirit. And, we've come back as strong as ever.
That sounds swell, but you're missing the point that the takers outnumber the makers now. We are living in a post constitutional society now.

I don't know what else it will take to convince some people that the future of America is bleak.
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According to the Columbus Dispatch, one out of every five registered voters in Ohio is ineligible to vote. In at least two counties in Ohio, the number of registered voters exceeded the number of eligible adults who are of voting age. In northwestern Ohio's Wood County, there are 109 registered voters for every 100 people eligible to vote. An additional 31 of Ohio's 88 counties have voter registration rates over 90%, which most voting experts regard as suspicious. Obama miraculously won 100% of the vote in 21 districts in Cleveland, and received over 99% of the vote where GOP inspectors were illegally removed.

The inflated numbers can't just reflect voters who have moved, because the average voting registration level nationwide is only 70%. The vast majority of voters over the 70% level are not voting because they want to, they are voting because someone is getting them to cast a vote, one way or another. Those 31 counties are most likely the largest counties in Ohio, representing a majority of Ohio voters. This means the number of votes cast above the 70% typical voter registration level easily tops 100,000, the margin Obama won Ohio by.
Also significant evidence of rampant fraud in Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Colorado, Nevada and others.

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That sounds swell, but you're missing the point that the takers outnumber the makers now. We are living in a post constitutional society now.

I don't know what else it will take to convince some people that the future of America is bleak.
Sorry, but I don't subscribe to the notion that "takers outnumber the makers". Somebody made that up as a way of explaining the election loss and demonizing progressives.

I do believe lots of voters are disenchanted with the system, career politicians, dysfunctional Congress, and all the other stuff that goes on in Washington and state capitols. People who don't personally support campaigns of good candidates, and fail to vote, make the country vulnerable to winners like Obama.
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Sorry, but I don't subscribe to the notion that "takers outnumber the makers". Somebody made that up as a way of explaining the election loss and demonizing progressives.

I do believe lots of voters are disenchanted with the system, career politicians, dysfunctional Congress, and all the other stuff that goes on in Washington and state capitols. People who don't personally support campaigns of good candidates, and fail to vote, make the country vulnerable to winners like Obama.
Yeah, good luck with that. More Americans are concerned with what is on TV tonight or what's for lunch than they are saving the country.
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The country's problems can be overcome with leadership that puts restoring greatness ahead of political ambition and party base appeasement. Political dogma has to be replaced by pragmatic problem solving.

Strong intellect, leadership skill, vision, character, master of communication and negotiation, credibility based on a lifetime of accomplishment are some of the required attributes.

There are men and women out there who, if motivated to serve, can get us back on track. We have recovered from desperate times in the past and can again. Civil War, world wars, economic collapse, and more have challenged the American spirit. And, we've come back as strong as ever.
You're asking for too much.
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Yeah, good luck with that. More Americans are concerned with what is on TV tonight or what's for lunch than they are saving the country.
Exactly. Your average voter can probably name the top 10 American Idol contestants, but can't tell you how many senators there are.
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Exactly. Your average voter can probably name the top 10 American Idol contestants, but can't tell you how many senators there are.
Affirmative.
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I will continue to vote, but I will also continue being a 1 or perhaps 2 percenter and thumb my nose at the other 98 percent if they complain.
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Old 11-11-2012, 11:32   #91
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What made America great can never be duplicated on this Earth again.

The people of this continent were free to create a free and democratic republic because it was impossible for the great powers to effectively control them from Europe. Americans learned by trial and error how to govern themselves from the village level up until they were able to forge a nation. Communication is now instant and force can be applied in hours or no more than a day anywhere on the globe. Unless civilization falls to the point that it again takes weeks of arduous effort to cross an ocean there can be no rebirth of liberty and self reliance. Nations, economies and societies are too interlocked.

It was a good 200 years, God bless all of those who made it possible, I'm sorry it ended on our watch due to laziness, selfishness and greed.
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What made America great can never be duplicated on this Earth again.

The people of this continent were free to create a free and democratic republic because it was impossible for the great powers to effectively control them from Europe. Americans learned by trial and error how to govern themselves from the village level up until they were able to for a nation. Communication is now instant and force can be applied in hours or no more than a day anywhere on the globe. Unless civilization falls to the point that it again takes weeks of arduous effort to cross an ocean there can be no rebirth of liberty and self reliance. Nations, economies and societies are too interlocked.

It was a good 200 years, God bless all of those who made it possible, I'm sorry it ended on our watch due to laziness, selfishness and greed.
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I sure do get a good laugh over everybody claiming the world is coming to an end just because a democrat is president. I'm sure this forum was just as funny when Bill got elected too.

Thanks for the laughs guy, keep it up.
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It seems to me voting is every bit as important now as at any time in American history. There will be a breaking point in the future where the people come to realize that the Radical Left Mainstream Media is the greatest threat to freedom and liberty that the United States has ever faced. The Marxist elites in academia and the media --- working with Democrats --- have succeeded in blaming every failure of the Left on conservatives, moderates, Republicans and religion. When the economic recession dives into a depression they will shift the blame onto those, like Paul Ryan, who understand that we can't spend our way to prosperity any more than Western Europe can.

Mitt Romney was absolutely right; America was at the tipping point in the 2012 elections and those millions of Republicans who failed to vote are the reason we've tipped ourselves over onto the downward spiral of history. As disconsolate as I am today I think we were in more peril after the 2008 elections that gave Democrats a veto-proof government. Thank God for Mitch McConnell, the one man in the Senate who had the nerve to speak out about the danger of First Comrade Obama's "vision" for America and who rallied Republicans to an historic win in 2010.

So yes, in 2014 your vote will be as important as it ever was after America suffers the next two years under the corrosive effects of Marxist/Media political and social propaganda.
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I sure do get a good laugh over everybody claiming the world is coming to an end just because a democrat is president. I'm sure this forum was just as funny when Bill got elected too.

Thanks for the laughs guy, keep it up.
This forum, like most of the Internet, didn't exist when Bill got elected.
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This forum, like most of the Internet, didn't exist when Bill got elected.
Sure it did. He went next door and got the internet from Al.
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You're asking for too much.
I think not. It is the most important job in the world. That appeals to personalities who see daunting challenge as an opportunity to conquer, to make history, to achieve world respect. People climb Everest and skydive from 130,000 feet to defy the odds. Rescuing the USA would be the ultimate challenge.

There are people who are qualified to lead us out of this morass. People who fit the necessary model are strong willed individualists who could shake the bonds of conventional pressure from the party base and powerful contributors. The latitude to lead would stem from the severity of need and the power of vision. Maybe an Independent could fill the bill by rallying voters from the right, middle and left.

It can be done. I don't have a list of candidates with the 'right stuff', but he is out there. Maybe the current crisis will draw him into the fray.

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Democrats proved, but they won't realize it, that corporations don't control the vote.

We gave Obama the election. Where was the passion of 2010?
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I think not. It is the most important job in the world. That appeals to personalities who see daunting challenge as an opportunity to conquer, to make history, to achieve world respect. People climb Everest and skydive from 130,000 feet to defy the odds. Rescuing the USA would be the ultimate challenge.

There are people who are qualified to lead us out of this morass. People who fit the necessary model are strong willed individualists who could shake the bonds of conventional pressure from the party base and powerful contributors. The latitude to lead would stem from the severity of need and the power of vision. Maybe an Independent could fill the bill by rallying voters from the right, middle and left.

It can be done. I don't have a list of candidates with the 'right stuff', but he is out there. Maybe the current crisis will draw him into the fray.
Good luck with that.
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