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Old 11-10-2012, 20:50   #1
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What Kinda Ammo do you prefer?

I hope to take my new rifle out to the range some time this coming week.

I went to the local Walmart they had Tula for 4.89 a box of 20. It seems to be pretty basic stuff 55gr nothing special. I have used Tula in my glock with very few problems other then the occasional dud. I also went ahead and ordered some PMC 55gr offline just waiting for it to ship.

What do you guys use and prefer what have you had good luck with? I keep seeing this stuff called "Lake City" That looks to be military surplus. I have seen some marked ADI which looks to be Australasian Military surplus.

I don't have any issues using non corrosive military surplus if its safe.
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Old 11-10-2012, 20:55   #2
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I like XM193. Good for range use as well as self defense ammo.
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Old 11-10-2012, 21:00   #3
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I like XM193. Good for range use as well as self defense ammo.
Same here.
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Call me cheap, but I keep thousands of rounds of Wolf on hand.

Good enough for the range... If needed for anything for more than just the range, it'll do the job just fine, IMHO.
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Old 11-10-2012, 21:18   #5
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XM-193, or my reloaded version of it, is my standard plinking ammo. Since steel cased ammo can't be reloaded, I have no use for it. Also, in my experience, extractors don't last long with steel cased ammo but plenty of people shoot it.
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Old 11-10-2012, 21:24   #6
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XM-193, or my reloaded version of it, is my standard plinking ammo. Since steel cased ammo can't be reloaded, I have no use for it. Also, in my experience, extractors don't last long with steel cased ammo but plenty of people shoot it.
An extractor is, what, $0.90?
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Old 11-10-2012, 21:30   #7
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Call me cheap, but I keep thousands of rounds of Wolf on hand.

Good enough for the range... If needed for anything for more than just the range, it'll do the job just fine, IMHO.
Wolf shoots very well from some rifles. M193 is quite consistent in its Federal and Winchester iterations. 50 gr vmax loaded by Fiochi is extremely accurate from several of our rifles.

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Old 11-10-2012, 21:33   #8
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An extractor is, what, $0.90?
That $0.90 extractor is worth a whole lot more when you don't have a spare in the middle of nowhere hog hunting. I have since stopped shooting steel ammo and started carrying spare parts with me everywhere. On top of that, I can shoot high quality brass cased ammo for cheaper than low quality steel ($0.17/round vs $0.25/round). I wont tell anyone not to steel cased ammo, I just personally do not.
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Old 11-10-2012, 21:35   #9
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The Tula you saw at Walmart is what I'm shooting the most of as of late. Before then Wolf Military classic. I have yet to see any adverse side effects from shooting steel cased ammunition. I did shoot XM193 when shooting 3gun at a range that didn't allow steel cased ammunition. Why did they not allow it? Who knows. I shoot my 1/4" AR500 w/ steel cased 55gr FMJ as close as 20 yards and it does nothing more take off the paint. Accuracy is well w/i the range of exceptable as compared to American Eagle and Privi brass cased 55gr.
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[QUOTE=Travclem;19617865]...when you don't have a spare ...QUOTE]

Yeah... That's why I keep spare parts in my Magpul MOE grip or Vltor stock.

Spings and peices can be invaluable.

Granted, I don't have all sorts of spares in every rifle...so I could easily be just as ____ed.
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Yeah... That's why I keep spare parts in my Magpul MOE grip or Vltor stock.

Spings and peices can be invaluable.

Granted, I don't have all sorts of spares in every rifle...so I could easily be just as ____ed.
My main rifles all get one of these.
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My main rifles all get one of these.
That is cute.

Is that a "kit"?

Don't think I've ever seen it marketed that way.

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Old 11-11-2012, 09:18   #13
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That is cute.

Is that a "kit"?

Don't think I've ever seen it marketed that way.

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It's a Magpul MIAD grip core modified to hold the cam pin, firing pin retainer, and a BCM bolt.


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One other thing I thought about. Be aware that some ranges do not allow steel core/penatrator ammunition. If you plan on shooting steel plates you won't want to use it either.
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Old 11-11-2012, 11:46   #15
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Range use - Federal XM193 and Wolf or Tula 55gr. All of my optics get zeroed with Federal, and I generally plink with cheap crap. If you do this, keep a chamber brush and a good cleaner handy - you'll probably need it. My SBR started short stroking recently, most likely due to a fouled chamber from all the steel case.

HD/SD mags currently loaded with Hornady TAP 75gr 5.56 (8126N), but I'm looking at a switch to Federal TRU T223S 55gr TSX loads. Got a couple boxes for accuracy testing later this week.
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Old 11-11-2012, 12:43   #16
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I shoot M193 clones simply because that's the cheapest stuff I can find easily. I'd shoot Wolf/Silver Bear if I could get it (I did manage to snag a case of Silver Bear last year - it's good stuff).

A range may not allow steel-CASED simply because they don't want to deal with the hassle of sorting out the cases and want only brass. Ranges that don't allow steel-CORES is because they are dangerous for metal targets and backstops.

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Let's not start the brass/steel or the cleaning/maintenance debate but shooting steel cased ammunition doesn't require any special tools or extra maintenance. Well that is my experience after shooting thousands of rounds of Tula and through classes and regular range outings in ARs that went 12months w/o any sort of cleaning or maintenance. I just don't think people should worry unnecessarily.

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Let's not start the brass/steel or the cleaning/maintenance debate but shooting steel cased ammunition doesn't require any special tools or extra maintenance. Well that is my experience after shooting thousands of rounds of Tula and through classes and regular range outings in ARs that went 12months w/o any sort of cleaning or maintenance. I just don't think people should worry unnecessarily.

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I have had several barrels what would disagree with you on that. Both of the Colt M4A1 barrels I have had had issues running steel cased ammo. It seemed to be a combination of chamber fouling and weak ammo. My current LMT upper decided this week it would start short stroking with everything, even though no parts had changed. I did discover some noticable carbon fouling in the chamber, which I think was the culprit, since I have been shooting a decent amount of Tula lately. There was also noticeable carbon residue on any cases that were ejected.

While there are plenty of rifles out there that will gladly eat steel cased ammo, not all of them will. In my experience, it tends to be less of an issue in uppers that are either over-gassed or cut with a loose chamber.
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M-855. The twist on my DD M4 doesn't like the lighter stuff when accuracy counts.

Then again my ALL TIME FAVORITE AMMO? but of course, FREE ammo
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I have had several barrels what would disagree with you on that. Both of the Colt M4A1 barrels I have had had issues running steel cased ammo. It seemed to be a combination of chamber fouling and weak ammo. My current LMT upper decided this week it would start short stroking with everything, even though no parts had changed. I did discover some noticable carbon fouling in the chamber, which I think was the culprit, since I have been shooting a decent amount of Tula lately. There was also noticeable carbon residue on any cases that were ejected.

While there are plenty of rifles out there that will gladly eat steel cased ammo, not all of them will. In my experience, it tends to be less of an issue in uppers that are either over-gassed or cut with a loose chamber.
Who knows. Maybe my BCMs, DD, Spikes, White Oaks, and LWRC ( well that we know is probably over gassed ) are all over gassed w/ very loose tolerances. I have a friend who only shoots Tula out of his 6720 w/o failure.

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