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Old 11-10-2012, 20:57   #1
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Bought a Lower, Now I Need An Upper

I did a little shopping for myself over the past couple of days... I purchased a complete Gen II New Frontier lower, for plinking and range fun. I also bought a stripped Palmetto lower to do a little more serious build on. Anyway.. Looking for an upper. Found a couple of websites with cheap uppers ( oracles and Del-Ton ). MY experience with AR-15s have been in LE/Military only, what they gave us, we used. Now, going out and spending $600 + on an upper right now is not really an option. Looking for a good, reliable upper. Any Tips ?
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Old 11-10-2012, 21:17   #2
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I would not own a Del-Ton; never heard of Oracle. Just goin' off what I've heard/read.

Then again, I'm considred somewhat of a wildcard, sometimes...

I'm sure the BCM crowd will be in soon enough to chime in.
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Old 11-10-2012, 21:18   #3
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Save up and get a BCM upper, and thank me later.
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Old 11-10-2012, 21:31   #4
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I would not own a Del-Ton; never heard of Oracle. Just goin' off what I've heard/read.

Then again, I'm considred somewhat of a wildcard, sometimes...

I'm sure the BCM crowd will be in soon enough to chime in.
Seems like they have heard of "the chart."

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We've found there's a little bit of misconception about our products. People think because we haven't raised our prices, then we're not doing the "upgrades". Well, we'd like to let everyone know that we've upgraded our standards!! These are the things we are now doing to EVERY rifle (or associated part) that leaves here....

- All flat tops have the extended M4 feed ramps
- All bolts are MP/HP tested
- If you order an upper or rifle with a flat top, it will have an F Marked front sight base
- Our carriers are properly staked, and sealed
- All barrels are parkarized under the gas block
- We only use taper pins on our barrels
- All barrels are made of Chrome Moly Vanadium. CMV is an upgrade from the standard chrome moly. We also have the option to chrome line the barrels, or not, and you can chose a 1x7 twist or a 1x9 twist on most profiles.
We offer all of these options to you, as the consumer, so you can chose what you'd like. We don't tell you the options, we let you decide exactly what you'd like.
- As always, each and every upper or rifle that leaves here has been test fired, not a single one leaves the place without having that done

Hopefully this clears things up a little. Please let us know if you ever have any questions!
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Old 11-10-2012, 21:40   #5
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Thanks for the rollyeyes, smartass.

I wasn't aware of the upgrades. (Yet I've yet to read raving reviews.)

An education is nice. A smartass post is not. Implied sarcasm can be fun, too; that one, I don't mind.
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Old 11-10-2012, 21:54   #6
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Thanks for the rollyeyes, smartass.

I wasn't aware of the upgrades. (Yet I've yet to read raving reviews.)

An education is nice. A smartass post is not. Implied sarcasm can be fun, too; that one, I don't mind.
Neither is a post inspired by ignorance and second hand information.
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Neither is a post inspired by ignorance and second hand information.
Will you show me a picture of YOUR Del-Ton upper along with a butter knife and a roll of toilet paper? Or, if you get the newspaper, I reckon a picture of it will suffice, too.

I wanna see a nice, recent build to demonstrate your first-hand experience.
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Old 11-10-2012, 22:09   #8
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Oracle is DPMS. I would put DelTon in the same class as the Oracle.

I wouldn't mess w/ either although I've heard DPMS is good for 19 flawless rounds into the dirt. That does have some merit. Very intriguing indeed.
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Oracle is DPMS. I would put DelTon in the same class as the Oracle.

I wouldn't mess w/ either although I've heard DPMS is good for 19 flawless rounds into the dirt. That does have some merit. Very intriguing indeed.
LOL. I like trading jabs.

FWIW, the upper I have seems to be an older DPMS; not too sure how perceived quality may have lessened/gained over the years...

I'm looking VERY FORWARD to shooting it more (and at targets) so I can prove a point.

Oh...funny thing is -- I just looked: I own an upper made by BCM. Reckon I can consider myself one of the cool kids, now. Funny thing is -- nothing about it has ever made me post raving reviews. Go figure.
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Old 11-10-2012, 22:33   #10
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Yeah, I was going to try to stay away from DPMS and Del-ton.... Just looking more for a price worthy decent upper. If I wanted to spend $1000 + I would've bought an entire rifle.
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Old 11-10-2012, 22:36   #11
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Was considering Palmetto State Armory uppers.I've seen are good, but the one's I've seen are stripped barreled receivers, kind of defeats the point.
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Old 11-10-2012, 22:39   #12
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I don't like trading jabs as you put it. I like leaving behind good factual information so others can be better informed.

What does name have to do w/ anything?

I know, my BCMs are kinda boring as well. So solid they are boring. But then again I'd start an entire thread to praise my DPMS for completing 19 rounds flawlessly.

If it works for you, great. Inexpensive is fun no doubt. But starting a thread to praise your 19 round DPMS while trying to slander a well trusted name like BCM says a lot about you.

Nothing personal but why is it that the most knowledgeable guy has under 1k posts yet the guys putting out the most BS are in the tens of thousands?

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What does name have to do w/ anything?

I know, my BCMs are kinda boring as well. So solid they are boring. But then again I'd start an entire thread to praise my DPMS for completing 19 rounds flawlessly.

If it works for you, great. Inexpensive is fun no doubt. But starting a thread to praise your 19 round DPMS while trying to slander a well trusted name like BCM says a lot about you.

Nothing personal but why is it that the most knowledgeable guy has under 1k posts yet the guys putting out the most BS are in the tens of thousands?
Oh...how I love to prove people wrong. Mind if I bring this thread up in a year from now?

Ignorance really is bliss, isn't it?

Dude, I've probably been shooting/owning/building ARs/M16s since your pre-pubescent stage of life.

And, thanks for the quote. It'll make me even more viable in the upcoming months.
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Oh...how I love to prove people wrong. Mind if I bring this thread up in a year from now?

Ignorance really is bliss, isn't it?

Dude, I've probably been shooting/owning/building ARs/M16s since your pre-pubescent stage of life.

And, thanks for the quote. It'll make me even more viable in the upcoming months.
Dude, time behind the trigger means nothing nor does ownership. And as far as building ARs/M16s I would be willing to bet my house you have never built either. Maybe assembled but never build a complete AR/M16. Ooops. I guess it really is bliss. Isn't it?
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Oh...Dear...Lord...

You are one of those, aren't you?

Sorry, I have not built M16s, I have shot more than I care to lay claim to. I have owned nearly 2 dozen rifles, and have assembled nearly 1/2 that. I don't care to get in a pissing contest here. I state my findings and nothing else; I simply stated I was impressed a rifle worked with a cheap upper and a BCG that would barely move if manipulated by hand... That was all. And here you are, being a total jackass, and blowing it all out of proportion.

I love fanboys. They make such easy targets.

(Ooooh -- that sounded excellent. Maybe I should turn that into a new sig line and reference you?)
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Fanboy? I'm curious as to how you came to that assumption not knowing a thing other than I own 2 BCM's. You have no idea of what other ARs I own or have owned.

By "one of those" do you mean I'm factual?

I'm not being anything. I simply stated fact. It just so happens that the facts undermine your claim to fame. Time of ownership and rounds down range mean nothing. I am quite familiar w/ this as I'm faced w/ it weekly if not daily.

Nothing personal, lets just keep things on track and factual.
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OP- there are a few guys at work that have Del-ton rifles, they bought the entire kit. They seem to fine for what the guys use them for (shooting 80 rounds 3 times a year). I am not saying that in an A hole way.

Here is the issue/something to think about. The price point is just not that much of a difference to justify it, you get a lot more for your money jumping to BCM. I say BCM because it is the brand that you probably get the absolute most for your money. Trust me, I struggled with this concept too. If you came up on a used Delton or DPMS for a bargain then yeah jump on it. But if I am shelling out 5 bills for a Delton or DPMS complete upper why not just spend 100 more dollars and get a standard BCM upper with a BCM bolt carrier group?
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ETA2: Just noticed the butterknife and toilet paper line.What I have already on photobucket will suffice.
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Will you show me a picture of YOUR Del-Ton upper along with a butter knife and a roll of toilet paper? Or, if you get the newspaper, I reckon a picture of it will suffice, too.

I wanna see a nice, recent build to demonstrate your first-hand experience.
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Alright, after reading through that "DOGS" thread, I want to stay a little on track here. I realize that this is definitely an open ended question....The truth is, I've had FTF's and jams on Colt LE M4s after 500 to 600 rounds. Would you put your life on it ? I have before... just looking for decent reliability, and if there's some products that are affordable and people with experience. Want to keep in the $500-$600 range on a complete AR.
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Alright, after reading through that "DOGS" thread, I want to stay a little on track here. I realize that this is definitely an open ended question....The truth is, I've had FTF's and jams on Colt LE M4s after 500 to 600 rounds. Would you put your life on it ? I have before... just looking for decent reliability, and if there's some products that are affordable and people with experience. Want to keep in the $500-$600 range on a complete AR.
I am confused. You bought 2 lowers, one of which is complete and the other is stripped. And your looking for a complete rifle for 500-600 bucks? Whats your plan with the lowers?
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