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Old 11-12-2012, 12:31   #21
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I disagree. If the Republicans had fielded a conservative, he would have gotten enough votes to beat zero.

Remember, zero's performance in the polls wasn't particularly stellar either.
No they wouldn't. If the Republicans were what you call conservative, only conservatives would vote for them, and there just are not enough conservatives of that type. There is probably still, though not for much longer as the demographics continue to develop, a majority for fiscal conservatism, but all the strange baggage that goes with your idea of conservatism frightens too many more than the Democrats do.

If you actually want to gain power, as opposed to moaning about the lack of conservatism in the Republican Party, you need to go with the things that are attainable. That is, stick with fiscal conservatism, and that is hard enough, but stop imposing weird ideas about rape and abortion on the Republican Party and on its selection of candidates via the Primaries. As much as anything, the Tea Party lost this election. This is not a matter of having candidates who are clever and devious enough to hide their beliefs but of having candidates who don't believe those things. Certainly don't select a Mormon as a Presidential candidate, and I say that as someone who was pleasantly surprised with his presentation and think he would have been better than Obama.

Obama should have lost. It was simple incompence on the conservative side that gave him another 4 years.

Your demographic situation, by the way, is a product of long term socialist planning and the Republians did not have the wit to stop it when they could have done so back around the end of the 60s. You are almost certainly doomed to a socialist future.

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Old 11-12-2012, 12:40   #22
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:48   #23
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Republicans are the party of exclusion. That's why they lost.

Poor people: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what...My job is not to worry about those people." Romney

Women: “I struggled with it myself for a long time, and I realized that life is a gift from God, and I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something God intended to happen,” Republican Richard Mourdock said, explaining that he would allow for exceptions to an abortion ban when a mother’s life is in danger.

Homosexuals: The [Republican] platform affirms the rights of states and the federal government not to recognize same-sex marriage. It backs a constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman.

This is just a small sample of how Republicans have gone out of their way to exclude or offend groups of people. Republicans should get out of big government control with social issues and stay on message about fiscal conservativism. They lost because they are hyprocrits, touting that they are the party of small government while at the same time advocating government control in social issues.
I'm sorry but that whole thing about the 47% was taken totally out of context and only a small soundbite was published to make it sound like this.

He was making a point about raising taxes on the Middle class and the rich and pointed out that 40 something % do not currently pay taxes anyway and any raise of such would not effect them and he has not to worry about hurting them.

As far as the rest you wrote those are my believes too and the reason I voted republican across the ticket.
And there are very many people that have the same or similar believes and will not vote for republicans if they change it to more to the left.
So most likely they would lose as many as they would gain if that was changed.
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Old 11-12-2012, 14:46   #24
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I'm sorry but that whole thing about the 47% was taken totally out of context and only a small soundbite was published to make it sound like this.

He was making a point about raising taxes on the Middle class and the rich and pointed out that 40 something % do not currently pay taxes anyway and any raise of such would not effect them and he has not to worry about hurting them.
I know it was spun by the media and is pretty much true, but Romney didn't need to say it. It was low hanging fruit for the liberals. I wonder how many of those 47% would have voted for Romney before hearing the media's spin on it. Enough to determine the outcome of the election? Yes, I think so.

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As far as the rest you wrote those are my believes too and the reason I voted republican across the ticket.
And there are very many people that have the same or similar believes and will not vote for republicans if they change it to more to the left.
So most likely they would lose as many as they would gain if that was changed.
So, you believe in not only those views on abortion, even in the event of rape, and on gay marriage personally, but that the government should enforce your view onto everybody else even if they don't agree with it?

The winning solution doesn't require that the Republicans change their views or that you change your beliefs. It only requires that the Republicans state it isn't a Federal issue and leave it up to the States to decide. If you expect to have your views respected, then at a minimum you need to respect that other people may not share them and move the decision making closer to the people. The Republican approach of Federal mandate for Religious ideals is a far worse slippery slope than allowing abortion in the case of rape or gay marriage. It leads to religious dictatorships like that found in the mid-east. What would you say if the Muslims passed laws to have your wife cover her face?
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Old 11-12-2012, 17:08   #25
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a couple of things. before one can have a logical debate on abortion there needs to be no funding of it with our tax money. after that its a moral issue to be debated.

smoking dope, thats a states rights issue.

illegal immigration, well, thats both a states right and federal concern.

fiscal responsibility is one which neither party has owned up to lately but yes the democrats are far worse at it.

religion, thats for the individual, as is gay marriage.

what Americans want from the federal government is to be left alone, that the feds should focus on national security, foreign trade, national debt, and infrastructure. when the feds start messing about in state issue they lose voters which ever side they are on.
That's all I want from government, just to be left the **** alone. Tax me what you must but stay out of my healthcare and out of my life.
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Old 11-12-2012, 17:28   #26
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That's all I want from government, just to be left the **** alone. Tax me what you must but stay out of my healthcare and out of my life.
Don't you want the government to build highways, defend our shores, control inflation, print, mint, and back our currency? If the government stayed out of your life the quality of your life would deteriorate.
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Old 11-12-2012, 17:31   #27
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Don't you want the government to build highways, defend our shores, control inflation, print, mint, and back our currency? If the government stayed out of your life the quality of your life would deteriorate.

The socialist whine for wealth redistribution but when their argument fails they resort to basic government functions. Typical.
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Old 11-12-2012, 17:33   #28
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Don't you want the government to build highways, defend our shores, control inflation, print, mint, and back our currency? If the government stayed out of your life the quality of your life would deteriorate.
this is hardly what obama has in store for the next 4 years....i notice you left out borders and only said shores.
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All the while those basic government functions are being funded with debt because the leeches consume all the tax revenue
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Old 11-12-2012, 17:35   #30
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All the while those basic government functions are being funded with debt because the leeches consume all the tax revenue
700 billion per year on welfare, 500 billion per year on national security.....you can see where their priorities are.
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700 billion per year on welfare, 500 billion per year on national security.....you can see where their priorities are.
$2 Trillion per year on welfare my friend. All revenue spent on welfare
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Don't you want the government to build highways, defend our shores, control inflation, print, mint, and back our currency? If the government stayed out of your life the quality of your life would deteriorate.
No, I don't.
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Old 11-12-2012, 17:51   #33
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1/2 the "eggspurts' are saying the Republicans should be more like the Democrats. the other 1/2 are saying the Republicans should have stuck more to conservative principles.


Since there are two distinctly different opinions on the suject, I have a third.

The first group can kiss my ^$$ because I roundly disagree with the "liberalization".

If you find anyone who didn't vote for Romney because they didn't think he was "Conservative enough" ask them if they are going to be happier with Obama and tell them to look me up so they can kiss my ^$$.
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$2 Trillion per year on welfare my friend. All revenue spent on welfare
if you do not include social security and medicare it is just above 700 billion. this is food stamps and other welfare type hand outs.

ssi people paid in to their whole life for the most part, thats not an entitlement thats their money, medicare is paid for by retirees, this is not the same as medicaid.
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Old 11-12-2012, 18:03   #36
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...niether of you get it. The reason you lost is because you don't appeal to women or Latinos.
Why should there be different messages based on race and gender?
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Old 11-12-2012, 18:41   #37
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Why should there be different messages based on race and gender?
Well, when the messages being portrayed are "We hate women." And "We want to make life as tough as possible for the illegals already in our country." And Republicans need the votes of women and minorities, when the minorities tend vote based on immigration policies a lot of the time, don't you think the messages need to be different?
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Don't you want the government to build highways, defend our shores, control inflation, print, mint, and back our currency? If the government stayed out of your life the quality of your life would deteriorate.
More sarcastic wit from GTPI? Or are you serious?
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if you do not include social security and medicare it is just above 700 billion. this is food stamps and other welfare type hand outs.

ssi people paid in to their whole life for the most part, thats not an entitlement thats their money, medicare is paid for by retirees, this is not the same as medicaid.
Uh no. It's all the same money. If it was their money, it would be their money.
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this is hardly what obama has in store for the next 4 years....i notice you left out borders and only said shores.
OK, borders and shores. Happy now? The point was that all of us depend on the government for something.
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