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Old 11-12-2012, 20:14   #51
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Somewhere in there it says Republicans hate women?
When you try to force your ideals upon women, and try to make their choices for them, it certainly sends a very strong message that you don't view women as equals, and don't think they're mentally capable to make important decisions for themselves. Which women tend to view as extremely negative. "Hate" might not be the exact word to use, but you can choose whatever word you like, republicans dislike women, republicans think women are inferior, or however you think it should be worded. But the impression I've been getting is that Republicans are all about men being superior, the bread winners, the political leaders, and women are there to tag along and look pretty.

It seems very 50's-esque to me, where the women are expected to sit there and smile, but not actually open their mouth, or even form an opinion.
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Old 11-12-2012, 20:17   #52
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Because you might want to actually win a Presidential election.
So you think it would be better to pander to specific groups?

Obama offers phones, Repubs could counter with high speed internet.

Would a message of smaller government, lower taxes and personal responsibility go over well?.... not that that is what the Repubs are offering.
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Old 11-12-2012, 20:18   #53
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The fact of the matter is that Planned Parenthood was founded to get rid of society's undesirables (read minorities) before they exited the womb. It was part of the whole racial purification movement of the early 20th century.

Why do democrats hate minorities so much that they'd prefer to kill their children and/or keep them enslaved to the state if they somehow manage to slip past the abortion safety net?
Because those kinds of democrats have grown up believing that the government is there to support them, to give them free food and money, and that they don't have to do anything in return. And they're the kind of people who will stand in line for hours to get something for free, instead of walking down the block and standing in line for 2 minutes to buy the exact same thing for $5. It's the whole mentality they grow up with and live around. They think it's easier to sit back and let the government give it to them, rather than actually working for it.

Granted, that's not the way all democrats are, just enough of them that the system keeps giving them free stuff in return for their votes.
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Old 11-12-2012, 20:21   #54
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So you think it would be better to pander to specific groups?
I think it would be better to do what it takes to actually win, instead of sticking to outdated ideals that keep pissing off the voters and causing the republicans to lose. Romney would have had a fairly decent chance if Mourdock and that other moron, who's name escapes me, would have kept their traps shut. Republicans need to learn that if they want to win, they need to shut up about women and abortion, and take a stance that minorities will view as favorable. Otherwise, it will be loss after loss at the polls.
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Old 11-12-2012, 20:27   #55
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Because those kinds of democrats have grown up believing that the government is there to support them, to give them free food and money, and that they don't have to do anything in return. And they're the kind of people who will stand in line for hours to get something for free, instead of walking down the block and standing in line for 2 minutes to buy the exact same thing for $5. It's the whole mentality they grow up with and live around. They think it's easier to sit back and let the government give it to them, rather than actually working for it.

Granted, that's not the way all democrats are, just enough of them that the system keeps giving them free stuff in return for their votes.
By "those kinds of democrats" you mean blacks and hispanics I take it.
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Old 11-12-2012, 20:30   #56
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So you think it would be better to pander to specific groups?

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That's Politics. Do you want to win or lose (again)??
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Old 11-12-2012, 20:30   #57
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By "those kinds of democrats" you mean blacks and hispanics I take it.
No, I don't specifically mean any particular race, I mean democrats in general who have grown up with that sort of mentality. Yes, it's generally found in urban areas where cheap housing is found, because that's where there seems to be a greater congestion of welfare people. But there are also white people on welfare, or people who need some extra money to help pay for groceries and the like. Blacks and mexicans aren't the only ones accepting money from the government, I'm pretty sure at least some people of all races are.
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That's Politics. Do you want to win or lose (again)??
I want a very limited federal government.
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I think it would be better to do what it takes to actually win, instead of sticking to outdated ideals that keep pissing off the voters and causing the republicans to lose.
Spoken like a true Democrat.
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Romney would have had a fairly decent chance if Mourdock and that other moron, who's name escapes me, would have kept their traps shut. Republicans need to learn that if they want to win, they need to shut up about women and abortion, and take a stance that minorities will view as favorable. Otherwise, it will be loss after loss at the polls.
Would you vote Republican if this was the case?... or would you find some other issue to dangle out there like a carrot on a stick.

Are you a woman?

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Who wants to win if you have to become what you despise in order to do it?
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Old 11-12-2012, 20:54   #61
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Spoken like a true Democrat.


Would you vote Republican if this was the case?... or would you find some other issue to dangle out there like a carrot on a stick.

Are you a woman?
Oh trust me, I'd love to vote Republican, and I would be more than happy to, if they could actually nominate someone who could win. I'd prefer to vote republican, and never vote democrat. But it's not even worth my time if they just keep nominating idiots who can't bother to keep their mouth shuts and get elected.

All I'm saying is that if you need women and minority voters, and you keep nominating people who will push political agendas that end up pissing off the women and the minorities, it doesn't matter what you claim, whether you think it's moralistically right, or whether you think it's the right direction your party needs to take, you're never going to get elected. Republicans need to accept the fact that either they appease to the voters and make them happy, or they just close up shop and let the democrats win forever.

If the republicans want to win, then they need to suck it up, appease to the voters, and maybe they'll win. If you never appease to the voters, then they'll never vote for you, it's honestly just that simple.
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I want a very limited federal government.
Well you're not gonna get that if you keep letting the democrats win.
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The Dems won because half the country wants to sit on their ass and receive free stuff. And they're the same people that are too stupid to understand that sitting on your ass waiting for free stuff only works as long as there are more people working than sitting on their asses. Which, thanks to the Dems, there isn't anymore. Simple.

But as we all know, except the Dems, socialism has never worked. Isn't working. And will never work. So the system will eventually implode on itself. And that day is 4 years closer than it was before Nov. 6.

Yeah, there's a small base of communist, American hating tree huggers out there, buy they don't count for much. It's the wellfare babies that won the election.
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Well you're not gonna get that if you keep letting the democrats win.
I will agree with you on that.

I think abortion on demand is a dirty business. Abortion shouldn't be thought of as just another form of birth control.

But... I do find it ironic that by fighting this issue we have ended up with what may be the most PRO_abortion President ever.

Obama may have been the most pro-abortion candidate of all the Democrat choices in 2008. Who else would find it acceptable to let a baby who survived an attempted abortion, lay without care until dead?

Roe v. Wade will NOT be overturned anyway, so the abortion issue is a dream come true for Democrats, and I will agree Republicans may want to rethink the strategy on this.

Don't ask me to pay for abortions. I want no part of it.
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Who wants to win if you have to become what you despise in order to do it?
The two party system?
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Old 11-12-2012, 21:25   #67
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I will agree with you on that.

I think abortion on demand is a dirty business. Abortion shouldn't be thought of as just another form of birth control.

But... I do find it ironic that by fighting this issue we have ended up with what may be the most PRO_abortion President ever.

Obama may have been the most pro-abortion candidate of all the Democrat choices in 2008. Who else would find it acceptable to let a baby who survived an attempted abortion, lay without care until dead?

Roe v. Wade will NOT be overturned anyway, so the abortion issue is a dream come true for Democrats, and I will agree Republicans may want to rethink the strategy on this.

Don't ask me to pay for abortions. I want no part of it.
I'm with you on the not paying for abortions, that's not the responsibility of the government. We're spending too much as it is, people need to start manning up and accepting responsibility for what they do, and pay for it too. However, trying to outlaw abortion is completely asinine, when the voter base is okay with abortion, and doesn't want to vote for someone who tries to take that away from them. Abortion is here to stay, the sooner we accept it and move on, the sooner we're that much closer to getting a republican in the white house again.

And like I said, the same thing with the immigration issue. We need the minority vote to win an election. Having a flat out anti-illegal political agenda, when the minorities tend to favor candidates who have a pro-illegal political agenda, again is completely asinine.

You might not like it, but keeping firm on the positions people don't like and don't want to hear about is what's keeping the republican party out of the white house.

Respect women, let them make their own decisions, try to figure out a way to appear friendly to illegals while still actually trying to get them out of the country, and we'll have a better chance at getting elected than flat out saying no illegals and no abortion.
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The two political parties are perfectly willing to become what they despise in order to win. Didn't mean to be cryptic. My bad.
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I'm with you on the not paying for abortions, that's not the responsibility of the government. We're spending too much as it is, people need to start manning up and accepting responsibility for what they do, and pay for it too. However, trying to outlaw abortion is completely asinine, when the voter base is okay with abortion, and doesn't want to vote for someone who tries to take that away from them. Abortion is here to stay, the sooner we accept it and move on, the sooner we're that much closer to getting a republican in the white house again.

And like I said, the same thing with the immigration issue. We need the minority vote to win an election. Having a flat out anti-illegal political agenda, when the minorities tend to favor candidates who have a pro-illegal political agenda, again is completely asinine.

You might not like it, but keeping firm on the positions people don't like and don't want to hear about is what's keeping the republican party out of the white house.

Respect women, let them make their own decisions, try to figure out a way to appear friendly to illegals while still actually trying to get them out of the country, and we'll have a better chance at getting elected than flat out saying no illegals and no abortion.
I posted before that while I don't agree with granting amnesty to illegals. If it does happen, it should be with the condition that they will not be allowed to vote.

I heard Rush Limbaugh saying something similar last week, but he said something like no voting for twenty years.

I know Democrats would not go along with that, for the same reason they oppose voter ID.

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Respect women,
Is that what Bill Clinton does?
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I posted before that while I don't agree with granting amnesty to illegals. If it does happen, it should be with the condition that they will not be allowed to vote.

I heard Rush Limbaugh saying something similar last week, but he said something like no voting for twenty years.

I know Democrats would not go along with that, for the same reason they oppose voter ID.
I don't agree with amnesty for illegals either. I personally think every illegal needs to be kicked out of the country and sent to the back of the line. Want to come into our country? We'd be more than happy to have you, as long as you do it legally. However, if amnesty is granted to illegals, I agree with you, they shouldn't be allowed to vote. They'd be given amnesty, not citizenship. If they are given actual citizenship, then I do think they should be allowed to vote, and they should also have to pay taxes, just like every other citizen out there.
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Is that what Bill Clinton does?
At least he didn't try to take away her choice to do what she wants with her body when he was done with her.
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The socialist whine for wealth redistribution but when their argument fails they resort to basic government functions. Typical.
What line of work are you in? Which taxpayer funded benefits do you think you could do without?
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What line of work are you in? Which taxpayer funded benefits do you think you could do without?
Every single one that seizes money from one person and gives it to another.

Social Security
Medicare
Medicad
Section 8 housing assistance
Obamacare
School lunch program
"Food Stamps"

..........for example

Which ones of those do you utilize?
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Is that what Bill Clinton does?


Move voted for him than Mittens.

You can go around in circles for many pages on this (and you will) but without the woman and Hispanic vote y'all will always be in 2nd place.
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