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Old 11-17-2012, 23:28   #21
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The closest WalMart has ammunition in stock all the time. People are over-thinking things and in the long run screwing themselves.
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Old 11-17-2012, 23:29   #22
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That was before the 1952 Guidelines and Rules were put into place.
What are the 1952 rules and guidelines?
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Old 11-17-2012, 23:45   #23
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What are the 1952 rules and guidelines?
I cannot find a list of them but before 1952 an Executive Order could do or be anything, after 1952 they could only be used to clarify or act to further a law passed by Congress or the Constitution, so Congress would have to pass a Weapons ban of some sort before the President could make further that law.
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Old 11-17-2012, 23:48   #24
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I cannot find a list of them but before 1952 an Executive Order could do or be anything, after 1952 they could only be used to clarify or act to further a law passed by Congress, so Congress would have to pass a Weapons ban of some sort before the President could make further that law.
So Obama can't make an assault weapons ban himself and get it approved by making an executive order instead of trying to get it passed through congress?
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Old 11-17-2012, 23:55   #25
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The level of paranoia and the behavior of ammo hoarders is beyond ridiculous, and is the main reason why I've pretty much not purchased any significant amounts of any ammo is a long, long time.

I think it's possible that we're approaching or near the top of what is an irrational ammunition bubble, but bubbles can persist for far longer than many ever thought possible.
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Old 11-18-2012, 00:01   #26
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So Obama can't make an assault weapons ban himself and get it approved by making an executive order instead of trying to get it passed through congress?
Thats right
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:59   #27
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The level of paranoia and the behavior of ammo hoarders is beyond ridiculous, and is the main reason why I've pretty much not purchased any significant amounts of any ammo is a long, long time.

I think it's possible that we're approaching or near the top of what is an irrational ammunition bubble, but bubbles can persist for far longer than many ever thought possible.
6 months ago ammo prices reflected the input costs + the mark up margin historically seen in the industry. Bobbles are characterized by margin levels that far exceed what is normal. In the past 6 months, prices have risen about 35% for the least expensive loads, while mid range and costlier load pricing has remained constant.

Furthermore, the administration can cause ammuntion input costs to rise simply by requiring military brass be shredded before being recycled. Half of the brass cased centerfire ammo fired in the US each year is loaded in recycled military brass. The administration can also restrict supply by defining bimetal jacketed bullets as armor piercing, which would prohibit import, have the EPA find that lead bullets harm the environment to prohibit lead bullets under the clean water act, and use money already apprpropriated to buy all domestic production of military and law enforcement calibers.

I certainly hope that you are right, but to remain in business as a firearns instructor, I have to hedge. This year my hedge has been to stock up on ammo in case retail availability dries up. In 2009, avaiability recovered by years end. I hope the same occurs, because I only have a 2 year supply.
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:00   #28
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The level of paranoia and the behavior of ammo hoarders is beyond ridiculous, and is the main reason why I've pretty much not purchased any significant amounts of any ammo is a long, long time.

I think it's possible that we're approaching or near the top of what is an irrational ammunition bubble, but bubbles can persist for far longer than many ever thought possible.

Look how long the housing bubble lasted...
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Old 11-18-2012, 09:41   #29
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It is not going to get cheaper. It goes up a good deal every year and recently thanks to the internet when ATK and other big ammo manufacturers send out a letter about a big price hike it is viral right then. Paranoid hoarder or someone that really wants to shoot and is in it for the long haul?

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Old 11-18-2012, 09:42   #30
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Yea I stopped into my LGS yesterday when I noticed I was under my min for LR primers. And what does he have -8 or 9 cases of PMC 55gr FMJ!! First time I saw cases in the shop. So unfortunately my wallet got alot lighter as I walked out with a case. Can never have enough ammo!


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Old 11-18-2012, 13:08   #31
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So Obama can't make an assault weapons ban himself and get it approved by making an executive order instead of trying to get it passed through congress?
It's not a matter of whether he can or cannot. It's more a matter of if he tries to do it anyway, who will stop him?

If he needs a law to adjust, why not use the one Reagan the original RINO signed in 1986?

Four years ago, I told the chicken littles here that the demorats didn't have the political will to give the repubicans gun control as an issue, that they remembered what happened in 1994 and their plans were much broader than just gun control. I was right.

Now, I am saying that even though we don't think Obama can legally use Executive Orders, don't be surprised if he does or tries. If he does, does it take an act of Congress, including the Senate to reverse it? Or will it take the SCOTUS? Either way, if he does, it won't go well for us.
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Old 11-18-2012, 13:49   #32
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It's not a matter of whether he can or cannot. It's more a matter of if he tries to do it anyway, who will stop him?

If he needs a law to adjust, why not use the one Reagan the original RINO signed in 1986?

Four years ago, I told the chicken littles here that the demorats didn't have the political will to give the repubicans gun control as an issue, that they remembered what happened in 1994 and their plans were much broader than just gun control. I was right.

Now, I am saying that even though we don't think Obama can legally use Executive Orders, don't be surprised if he does or tries. If he does, does it take an act of Congress, including the Senate to reverse it? Or will it take the SCOTUS? Either way, if he does, it won't go well for us.
Even if he tried, who the hell would enforce it? I highly doubt local cops will start knocking on doors to enfore an executive order. The federal agencies don't have the manpower to do it, and I'm not so sure they WOULD do it. In the end it would be an action with no legal weight and no muscle to make it stick.
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Old 11-18-2012, 14:04   #33
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Just stopped at Cabela's in Hartford, Connecticut. They are LOADED with ammo. Cases, boxes, all calibers. They even have 9mm on sale.

20 minutes away, the Walmart has virtually empty ammo shelves, and for ammo that is more expensive...
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Old 11-18-2012, 14:28   #34
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Just stopped at Cabela's in Hartford, Connecticut. They are LOADED with ammo. Cases, boxes, all calibers. They even have 9mm on sale.

20 minutes away, the Walmart has virtually empty ammo shelves, and for ammo that is more expensive...

It seems at least some of the Wal-Mart warehouses are low or out of common calibers, and that's drastically affecting supplies in the stores. I guess they havent been buying enough to keep up with demand.

It does seem like there has been somewhat of a run, but nowhere near as bad as 08. I haven't seen the nasty examples of price gouging I saw in 08, either.
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Old 11-18-2012, 14:45   #35
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Even if he tried, who the hell would enforce it? I highly doubt local cops will start knocking on doors to enfore an executive order. The federal agencies don't have the manpower to do it, and I'm not so sure they WOULD do it. In the end it would be an action with no legal weight and no muscle to make it stick.
I want some of what you've been smoking.

Do you really think that BCM, SW, DPMS, RR, Spikes and all the other manufacturers are going to keep making them in spite of another AWB made by executive order?

Do you really think Buds and GandR Tactical and other sellers are going to keep selling them if Obama pens another AWB?

How would they enforce it? Just like they do now. The Kentucky branch of the BATFE would check on Buds Gunshop and the LGS in Kentucky. The TN branch\branches would check on gun stores in TN, the MS branch stores in MS AR branch on stores in AR, etc...

Why would you think that if Obama uses executive orders to reinstate another AWB, that makers and sellers would keep making and selling.

That's some mighty good herb you got.
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Old 11-18-2012, 16:42   #36
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I want some of what you've been smoking.

Do you really think that BCM, SW, DPMS, RR, Spikes and all the other manufacturers are going to keep making them in spite of another AWB made by executive order?

Do you really think Buds and GandR Tactical and other sellers are going to keep selling them if Obama pens another AWB?

How would they enforce it? Just like they do now. The Kentucky branch of the BATFE would check on Buds Gunshop and the LGS in Kentucky. The TN branch\branches would check on gun stores in TN, the MS branch stores in MS AR branch on stores in AR, etc...

Why would you think that if Obama uses executive orders to reinstate another AWB, that makers and sellers would keep making and selling.

That's some mighty good herb you got.
Do you think those makers are going to roll over an close shop due to a EO that is questionable at best in it's legality? I would think not.
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I want some of what you've been smoking.

Do you really think that BCM, SW, DPMS, RR, Spikes and all the other manufacturers are going to keep making them in spite of another AWB made by executive order?

Do you really think Buds and GandR Tactical and other sellers are going to keep selling them if Obama pens another AWB?

How would they enforce it? Just like they do now. The Kentucky branch of the BATFE would check on Buds Gunshop and the LGS in Kentucky. The TN branch\branches would check on gun stores in TN, the MS branch stores in MS AR branch on stores in AR, etc...

Why would you think that if Obama uses executive orders to reinstate another AWB, that makers and sellers would keep making and selling.

That's some mighty good herb you got.
You seriously think that BATFE even has the manpower to do this? You think they would all obey such an order willingly?

I highly doubt it.
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Old 11-18-2012, 19:05   #38
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My Walmart(s) are typically out of .223. I check on stock when I'm there, and pick up some occasionally.


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Old 11-18-2012, 22:18   #40
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Our local Wal Mart has never had a spectacular ammo selection to begin with, but really did not look any worse than normal tonight. So far prices are unchanged that I can tell. Bought 100 rounds of 9mm and .40. There were several 250 round bulk packs of 9m and .40 on the shelf along with common hunting rounds. There is never much .223/5.56, that pretty normal there. Would have bought more but did not have the $$. Appears the rush on ammo and price hikes are a bit slower getting here, hopefully the rush will be over before it does. So I will cont to pick up a little here and there when I can.

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