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11-20-2012, 08:12
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Rip Lips
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Who's celebrating the Feast of the Son of Isis?
Who's with me? Sounds like a great time.
The feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.
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11-20-2012, 20:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenDrake
Who's with me? Sounds like a great time.
The feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.
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Ummm....my HOA doesn't allow this sort of thing.
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11-20-2012, 21:15
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you savvy?
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sounds a lot like christmas dont it?
hercules had a god for a father and a mortal mother....he did things that no other man could do...he was persecuted for his feats.....maybe he was related to jesus, they sound an awful lot alike.
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11-21-2012, 06:51
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My guess would be alot of people both atheist as well as christians.
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11-21-2012, 07:42
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This is when we celebrant the death and resurrection of the Sun god isn't it?
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11-21-2012, 10:03
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Well, the names have been changed to protect the guilty, but yeah.
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11-21-2012, 11:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenDrake
Who's with me? Sounds like a great time.
The feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25.
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Citation? I mean actual evidence, not some opinion piece or an article on the internet.
Seems to be missing.
These legends have been discussed here, and those making such claims have always mysteriously disappeared from the discussion.
Are you talking about the Roman pagan festival that was insititued in ... 274 AD?
Quoting from Calculating Christmas (written by an actual historian):
Many Christians think that Christians celebrate Christ’s birth on December 25th because the church fathers appropriated the date of a pagan festival. Almost no one minds, except for a few groups on the fringes of American Evangelicalism, who seem to think that this makes Christmas itself a pagan festival. But it is perhaps interesting to know that the choice of December 25th is the result of attempts among the earliest Christians to figure out the date of Jesus’ birth based on calendrical calculations that had nothing to do with pagan festivals.
Rather, the pagan festival of the “Birth of the Unconquered Son” instituted by the Roman Emperor Aurelian on 25 December 274, was almost certainly an attempt to create a pagan alternative to a date that was already of some significance to Roman Christians. Thus the “pagan origins of Christmas” is a myth without historical substance. ... And the pagan feast which the Emperor Aurelian instituted on that date in the year 274 was not only an effort to use the winter solstice to make a political statement, but also almost certainly an attempt to give a pagan significance to a date already of importance to Roman Christians. The Christians, in turn, could at a later date re-appropriate the pagan “Birth of the Unconquered Sun” to refer, on the occasion of the birth of Christ, to the rising of the “Sun of Salvation” or the “Sun of Justice.”
Read more: http://www.touchstonemag.com/archive...#ixzz2Csgx38Q9
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11-21-2012, 11:05
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Originally Posted by Brasso
Well, the names have been changed to protect the guilty, but yeah.
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Really? You believe that Jesus = Hercules?
Well, that doesn't surprise me too much.
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11-21-2012, 11:44
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See guys. It's all a mistake. According to Bert there were no pagan festivals, in Rome, celebrating the birth of any god on Dec. 25 prior to Christianity.
It's all a misunderstanding.
All those statues of Zeus that the RCC renamed to God, all those stained glass windows with saints wearing sun halo's, all the depictions of Asherah with her child renamed the Madonna, they are all fakes and rumors started by Judaizers.
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11-21-2012, 11:56
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The early Christians had to pick a date to celebrate the birth of Christ and there was already a party going on the 25th anyway so why not just tag along.
Doesn't prove or disprove anything.
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11-21-2012, 13:15
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Originally Posted by Brasso
See guys. It's all a mistake. According to Bert there were no pagan festivals, in Rome, celebrating the birth of any god on Dec. 25 prior to Christianity.
It's all a misunderstanding.
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It's interesting that you have to build a strawman to destroy rather than trying the honest approach. This says a lot about the type of person you are, as well as the foundations of your beliefs.
Do you think that God likes it when you lie "for" Him??
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11-21-2012, 14:53
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Rip Lips
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Schabs, your bible is not proof of anything either, just a book of stories, fables and myths written by self appointed intermediaries. Ironic? There's no ACTUAL EVIDENCE for a god either. Therein lies the theist double standard. God didn't sit down and write a book did he?
The date of December 25th was originally known as the feast of Natalis Invicti Solis, or the "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun".8 The celebration, also known as the Roman Saturnalia (in honor of their god of agriculture, Saturn), was an annual feast long before the birth of Christ. The Saturnalia was actually a week-long celebration, with the final day being the Brumalia, or the first day of winter. According to the Julian calendar, that day fell on December 25.9
The celebration of Saturnalia was the greatest of all pagan festivals. It was a once-a-year time to indulge in feasting, drinking, the exchanging of gifts, and merrymaking in general. Although Saturnalia is more attributed to be of Roman origin, the ancient Babylonians celebrated the feast of the son of Isis (goddess of nature) on December 25. Boisterous celebration, with gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast as well.10
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Last edited by GreenDrake; 11-21-2012 at 14:54..
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11-21-2012, 16:00
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Originally Posted by GreenDrake
Schabs, your bible is not proof of anything either, just a book of stories, fables and myths written by self appointed intermediaries. Ironic? There's no ACTUAL EVIDENCE for a god either. Therein lies the theist double standard. God didn't sit down and write a book did he?
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No, we don't start with the Bible to prove God. That's not the way the original Christians (i.e., Catholics) go about it. Read chapter 9 of
for a good synopsis.
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The date of December 25th was originally known as the feast of Natalis Invicti Solis, or the "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun".8
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Define "originally." Give citations.
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The celebration, also known as the Roman Saturnalia (in honor of their god of agriculture, Saturn), was an annual feast long before the birth of Christ. The Saturnalia was actually a week-long celebration, with the final day being the Brumalia, or the first day of winter. According to the Julian calendar, that day fell on December 25.9
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Your citations are missing.
Just repeating what was posted above ISN'T evidence.
I'm sure you can figure that out, and so I think I can assume that you don't have any evidence.
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11-21-2012, 20:43
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It's interesting that you have to build a strawman to destroy rather than trying the honest approach. This says a lot about the type of person you are, as well as the foundations of your beliefs.
Do you think that God likes it when you lie "for" Him??
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Bert, you are so full of crap.
I haven't said anything that can't be verified in a matter of seconds. Everyone here knows it. Just stop.
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11-22-2012, 03:38
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Brasso, sometimes the horse isn't thirsty. LOL
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11-26-2012, 11:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenDrake
Who's with me? Sounds like a great time.
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11-26-2012, 12:34
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Originally Posted by Schabesbert
Citation? I mean actual evidence, not some opinion piece or an article on the internet.
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That's hilarious seeing as how this is how you often justify your spin of what the bible "really" means. As opposed to what it actually says.
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12-03-2012, 07:55
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Originally Posted by Brasso
Bert, you are so full of crap.
I haven't said anything that can't be verified in a matter of seconds. Everyone here knows it. Just stop.
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Another non-answer from the king of non-evidence.
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12-03-2012, 07:56
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Originally Posted by Glock36shooter
That's hilarious seeing as how this is how you often justify your spin of what the bible "really" means. As opposed to what it actually says.
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Yeah .. hilarious.
But no answer. No evidence.
Not unexpected.
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12-03-2012, 08:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Schabesbert
Citation? I mean actual evidence, not some opinion piece or an article on the internet.
Seems to be missing.
These legends have been discussed here, and those making such claims have always mysteriously disappeared from the discussion.
Are you talking about the Roman pagan festival that was insititued in ... 274 AD?
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Can we agree that Saturnalia was a pagan Greco-Roman festival that predated Christianity and took place during the middle to late part of December?
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12-03-2012, 15:31
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Originally Posted by Animal Mother
Can we agree that Saturnalia was a pagan Greco-Roman festival that predated Christianity and took place during the middle to late part of December?
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Probably.
My birthday is nearer to the 4th of July than that was to Christmas, but I don't think they are in any way related.
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12-03-2012, 21:02
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Originally Posted by Schabesbert
Probably.
My birthday is nearer to the 4th of July than that was to Christmas, but I don't think they are in any way related.
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Probably because they're not. However, two events honoring deities are rather more closely connected than your birth and the commemoration of the declaration of independence, wouldn't you agree?
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12-04-2012, 15:30
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Originally Posted by Animal Mother
Probably because they're not. However, two events honoring deities are rather more closely connected than your birth and the commemoration of the declaration of independence, wouldn't you agree?
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Not necessarily.
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12-05-2012, 04:56
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Originally Posted by Schabesbert
Not necessarily.
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Care to expound on that a bit?
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12-05-2012, 15:42
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Originally Posted by Animal Mother
Care to expound on that a bit?
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Not until you expand on how they are "similar" and in what ways that would necessarily imply a connection.
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