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Old 11-24-2012, 19:52   #151
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What is funny and sad is given your posting history, you may actually think this is true.
May actually? I would bet my life on it.

Just wait a few years and all will be revealed.
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Old 11-24-2012, 19:52   #152
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BUT for any flip, the odds are still 50/50, even for the 25th one and if given a septillion or so chances, it will actually create a lot of occurrences.

Math makes the world understandable in ways most people cant even imagine...but once you really start to "speak" math (as well as us lowly mortal humans can at this point) it does take a lot of the impressivness out of some things that are, to most, pretty awe inspiring.

BUT for any flip, the odds are still 50/50.
True. The belief that a sequence of outcomes somehow influences the next flip is known as the "gamblers fallacy".
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Old 11-24-2012, 19:53   #153
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Whether you believe we are alone or not. We are a very young planet in a relatively young galaxy in a Huge universe. I am in no way implying i believe in extraterrestrial life. But making a open minded statement, isn't it interesting how far our technology has come in a incredible short time? One thing that boggles my mind is in 69 we sent men to the moon, but today with all the hi-tech stuff we have we have never been back or even been outside the earths orbit. The best we can do is send a billion dollar r/c car to mars...
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Old 11-24-2012, 19:54   #154
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We could be the very first try....that means the *next* occurrence is possibly a long way away.
Or maybe we were the last try!
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Old 11-24-2012, 19:55   #155
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I disagree but I am making some assumptions. First I am assuming there is nothing remarkable about our star or our planet, though our moon seems to be pretty rare. I am also making the assumption we are here as the result of a natural process and not divine intervention. If you accept those assumptions then the fact that we are here DOES make it likely others are here. If you are talking the whole universe, or even our galaxy, you're talking about billions of planets orbiting billions of stars for billions of years. With that many trials over that much time it seems unlikely the process that produced us was unique. I'll give you it's still a possibility. If they can prove Curiosity has found organic methane on Mars I may change my mind on that.
Again, that is just not how the math works. I feel the same was as you do (somewhat) but I also respect the math.

You have to also take into account the complexity of life. There is a spectacular amount of large numbers that come along with that as well.

I simply dont know how to say this, agian without sounding really condescending.
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May actually? I would bet my life on it.

Just wait a few years and all will be revealed.


I laugh because I do believe you believe this. Here is a hint how it ends...you will die, just like someone did today, yesterday and will tomorrow who lived a life just sure that "all will be revealed...any moment now...you'll see...
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Don't forget there is a third side to every coin. What are the odds that it lands on that one?
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Again, that is just not how the math works. I feel the same was as you do (somewhat) but I also respect the math.

You have to also take into account the complexity of life. There is a spectacular amount of large numbers that come along with that as well.

I simply dont know how to say this, agian without sounding really condescending.
Math is math but it doesn't necessarily define the probability of life elsewhere in the Universe because those calculations are based on assumptions which could be right or could be wrong. If it turns out to be a 100% certainty that given the presence of all the right chemicals in an environment of suitable temperature range over a time period pf billions of years, than ET life is plentiful.
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Old 11-24-2012, 20:05   #159
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If I am not mistaken, that picture has been shown to be a fraud.

...and one of those people is holding a metal blade.
I was not aware of that..

My point was, those people may see "us" as alien.
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Whether you believe we are alone or not. We are a very young planet in a relatively young galaxy in a Huge universe. I am in no way implying i believe in extraterrestrial life. But making a open minded statement, isn't it interesting how far our technology has come in a incredible short time? One thing that boggles my mind is in 69 we sent men to the moon, but today with all the hi-tech stuff we have we have never been back or even been outside the earths orbit. The best we can do is send a billion dollar r/c car to mars...
The moon issue is not a very good argument for anything. We can go back to the moon anytime we want. We could build a casino on the moon if we wanted. What we cant do is afford it. That is why we dont go back to the moon.

Most people dont really have a grasp on the insane cost of space exploration....in partucular the Apollo program and the ISS

http://www.bukisa.com/articles/34705...s-in-the-world

The Space Station costs more than the next 11 most expensive objects in the world. Think about that. That really puts this issue in context. Space costs....a mega amount.

There is a lot of technology that sits on shelves or in peoples minds because we simply cant afford it. We can do it we just cant pay for it.
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I was not aware of that..

My point was, those people may see "us" as alien.
They may see that (for purposes of your point) but that doesnt make it so.
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Old 11-24-2012, 20:12   #162
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Don't forget there is a third side to every coin. What are the odds that it lands on that one?
Found the answer to my own question.

http://www.codingthewheel.com/archiv...ir-proposition

1 in 6000 according to this article.
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Math is math but it doesn't necessarily define the probability of life elsewhere in the Universe because those calculations are based on assumptions which could be right or could be wrong. If it turns out to be a 100% certainty that given the presence of all the right chemicals in an environment of suitable temperature range over a time period pf billions of years, than ET life is plentiful.
You dont understand what math can and cant do and how it is used to create answers and a range of answers.

You are trying to fit your feelings into the math. It doesnt work that way. It doenst mean you are wrong (about your feelings) but it does prove you dont speak math.

BTW it IS a 100% certainty. (in the sense it can happen, at least once) Math sets the odds of that.

Again, without sounding like a prick, you are so close but because you dont get what math is, you are trying to argue it, when if you understood math, you would realize your understanding just needs some adjustments. You are so close but you dont know that.
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They may see that (for purposes of your point) but that doesnt make it so.
Jokingly.. What is the defintion of the word "it"?
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Old 11-24-2012, 20:23   #165
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I laugh because I do believe you believe this. Here is a hint how it ends...you will die, just like someone did today, yesterday and will tomorrow who lived a life just sure that "all will be revealed...any moment now...you'll see...
Ahhh, but we have just entered the Age of Aquarius. Different paradigm, different levels of truth, different energetic reality.

Remember, who could have thought that landing on the moon was possible two hundred years ago?
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Old 11-24-2012, 20:25   #166
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The moon issue is not a very good argument for anything. We can go back to the moon anytime we want. We could build a casino on the moon if we wanted. What we cant do is afford it. That is why we dont go back to the moon.

Most people dont really have a grasp on the insane cost of space exploration....in partucular the Apollo program and the ISS

http://www.bukisa.com/articles/34705...s-in-the-world

The Space Station costs more than the next 11 most expensive objects in the world. Think about that. That really puts this issue in context. Space costs....a mega amount.

There is a lot of technology that sits on shelves or in peoples minds because we simply cant afford it. We can do it we just cant pay for it.
Very true Rabbi. My grandfather worked for Martin Marietta and have a idea of the vast amount of cost. Your right. We could build a casino but should be a truck stop for space craft. Build it and they will come lol My view which is just a view is we went to the moon purely for a race. That we "had" to win simply because we lost the race of getting into space. You said it best about waking up.tomorrow, living and dieing. Canceling the space program is good since we need the funds here to take care of our issues. Just was stirring the pot with my post earlier. Whether there is little space men or not, we worry about it to much. If there is, there is. I wont rule it out, but dont worry myself over worrying about it. My faith, family, friends, country, and rights are what matters. This topic seemed to have been made in fun and fun discussion. Some good points have been made in it. Now i need to put my tinfoil hat back on... lol
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Ahhh, but we have just entered the Age of Aquarius. Different paradigm, different levels of truth, different energetic reality.

Remember, who could have thought that landing on the moon was possible two hundred years ago?

According to Wiki, if it can be believed...they thought about it in 70AD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landings_in_fiction
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You dont understand what math can and cant do and how it is used to create answers and a range of answers.

You are trying to fit your feelings into the math. It doesnt work that way. It doenst mean you are wrong (about your feelings) but it does prove you dont speak math.

BTW it IS a 100% certainty. (in the sense it can happen, at least once) Math sets the odds of that.

Again, without sounding like a prick, you are so close but because you dont get what math is, you are trying to argue it, when if you understood math, you would realize your understanding just needs some adjustments. You are so close but you dont know that.
Sorry, you do sound like a big prick. That is 100% in math terms.
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Ahhh, but we have just entered the Age of Aquarius. Different paradigm, different levels of truth, different energetic reality.

Remember, who could have thought that landing on the moon was possible two hundred years ago?
Listen as a Jewish, Zionist, Freemason, Cop, physicist who is married into the Medical Industrial Complex.... I can tell you that you are way off.

...or about to be in big trouble. We see you...


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May actually? I would bet my life on it.

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Sorry, you do sound like a big prick. That is 100% in math terms.
I dont have a problem with that but I find it sad that you dont want to learn something because you dont like me or the way I present new information.

No matter how you feel about me, the math remains the same and available for you to learn. You being wrong, until you do learn it also remains the same.

To me, no matter how I felt about someone, the idea of not knowing something I could and then no longer being in the dark about an understanding is far more important to me than a prick.

So there we are. I am a prick and you would rather cling to ignorance. I would say you played this round of your life very poorly.
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May actually? I would bet my life on it.

Just wait a few years and all will be revealed.
BTW, PLEASE...of PLEASE tell me more about this.

You have already opened the door. Is your mission to watch your fellow man suffer so you can say 'I told you so..." Or is your mission to save us?

If it is to save us, please, PLEASE given me your pitch. I have to know! Even if you think I will mock you (even if I mock you to myself)....if you mission is to save, then you have to tell me, what I do with that info is on MY head.

Do tell...please, do tell.
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Sorry, you do sound like a big prick. That is 100% in math terms.
If people refused to learn from those who are pricks and might hurt their feelings... there wouldn't be any physicists or mathematicians. Physics and mathematics aren't very ego-nurturing fields.
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