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Old 11-25-2012, 23:03   #1
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When and how to remove case lube from rifle rounds?

Do reloaders remove case lube after a round is assembled, or can it be removed after cases are sized? Are there any carbide 308 dies so you can dispense with lube? What's the best way to remove case lube?
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Old 11-25-2012, 23:16   #2
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Do reloaders remove case lube after a round is assembled, or can it be removed after cases are sized?
You can do it either way. Some people tumble their loaded rounds, others don't. I don't like the fact that the media plugs up the little hollow point in Sierra Match bullets.

You can tumble the sized cases if you remember to clean out the flash hole with a universal decapper (instead of a sizing die) as part of your reloading process.

Or you can use Dillon lube and just ignore it. That takes the least amount of work so, naturally, that's what I do for precision rifle.

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Are there any carbide 308 dies so you can dispense with lube?
There are carbide rifle dies - Dillon makes some. But they don't eliminate the need for lube. There is simply too much surface area to get away without lubing. BTW, you won't like the price of carbide rifle dies.
http://www.dillonprecision.com/#/con...Three_Die_Sets_

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What's the best way to remove case lube?
Probably the best is to tumble the empty cases after resizing. But you have to clean the flash hole.

The easiest is to use Dillon spray lube and ignore it.

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Old 11-25-2012, 23:18   #3
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Hi, I do not know of anyone making carbide dies for bottle neck cases, I reckon it is possible, but it would be rediculously expensive.
Depending on what lube you are using, it is possible to wipe it clean with a cloth (don't forget the inside of the neck), but I have used Benzine (I think you guys call it white gas, or something), be very careful, not a good idea having a smoke while yu are doing this.
Best is probably to wash it after resizing, dry and load. I use Frankfort Arsenal Extreme Sonic Cleaner, it works great!
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:02   #4
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I tumble my completed rounds. It takes a while but they will come out clean.
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:44   #5
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Dillon makes carbide size dies for .223 and .308 I have been tempted to get one but at $122 can't justify it as I never have had an issue with the standard steel dies. I have found the best approach for me was experimenting with just the right amount of Dillon Lube.
Lay the bras out on a old cookie sheet, mist rolls the brass mist again and let dry for 3-4 minutes. Dump in the casefeeder bowl and Size, decap and trim on my XL650. Followed by a 1 hour tumble in dry untreated corncob. On my loading toolhead I have a universal decap die a station one to clear any flash holes that may get media stuck in it.
I have loaded thousands of rounds and never, knock on wood, had a stuck case. As a note I also pretty religiously clean out my sizing dies with a little alcohol, patches and q-tips. Only take a few minutes but I really think doing so prevents any issues.
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:03   #6
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I just tumble live ammo for 10-15 minutes and they are clean and dry.
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:13   #7
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I have the Dillon carbide rifle dies, you still have to use lube.

RCBS makes a lube die that lubes and sizes at the same time.

The way I remove it is either by hand with a rag on small amounts of cases or in the tumbler after they are loaded up.

FWIW lots of us lube pistol cases, even though it is not needed, it does greatly reduce the effort required. Most of the people I know that don't do it have simply never tried it.
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:31   #8
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I only lube rifle brass for resizing. For me trimming comes after resizing so I lube them a lot, resize them and put the resized lubed cases in clean fresh corn cob or walnut tumbler for 20 minutes or so. Take them out and trim them. From there swage if needed then load them no lube needed at that point. I usually put a universal deprimer in station 1 of the 550 for that to just make sure nothing is stuck blocking the flash hole.

Sometime I lightly lube pistol but without the trimming, I do resizing as part of the normal reloading and then I don't remove the lube just box or toss them in the bin.
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:54   #9
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I tumble my loaded rounds too. Nothing has blown up contrary to interweb lore.

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Old 11-26-2012, 11:14   #10
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I tumble loaded rounds for 15-20 minutes to clean them. I also spray pistol brass with One-Shot to make it easier to size.
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Old 11-26-2012, 17:11   #11
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I just tumble live ammo for 10-15 minutes and they are clean and dry.
Yep same here.
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I have the Dillon carbide dies and they still require lube. I tumble the sized cases and have a decapper in the first station of my loading tool head to clear media out of flash holes.
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Old 11-27-2012, 12:19   #13
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This is how I do it.
Step 1: Re-size and trim.
Step 2: Tumble to clean oil.
Step 3: Leave the resizer die in first station (Dillon 550B), back it out just enough for the primer push pin to clears the flash hole (The neck does not fully go into the resizer so there is no resistance) and start reloading.
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Old 11-27-2012, 14:56   #14
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I have the Dillon carbide rifle dies, you still have to use lube.

RCBS makes a lube die that lubes and sizes at the same time.

The way I remove it is either by hand with a rag on small amounts of cases or in the tumbler after they are loaded up.

FWIW lots of us lube pistol cases, even though it is not needed, it does greatly reduce the effort required. Most of the people I know that don't do it have simply never tried it.
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Whats the point in carbide rifle dies if you still have to lube?
I'm not him, but I can answer your question. They were made to last longer for high volume commercial loading. I will say that they are a lot smoother than the standard dies and I use lube very sparingly. I have done almost 10k rounds of 5.56 on less than 1/2 bottle of Dillon lube.
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