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Old 11-28-2012, 09:27   #1
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After a good shoot

I think a lot of people prepare to defend themselves, but I don't think there is enough talk about what to do after you are forced to defend yourself.

I am not an expert at this. I will give a lead in and hopefully an expert will chime in. I am intentionally leaving the situation vague.

You are at home a sleep. Someone breaks in. There is a scuffle. The person doing the B&E is shot.

Now what?

BTW, This came up on a different board because of some questionable shoots and the more questionable actions of the shooter AFTER the fact.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:32   #2
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You get to safety. Call 911 for medical and LE help. Establish yourself as the victim, point out evidence, witnesses or accomplices (I'm being broader than your scenario). Then politely and properly lawyer up.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:38   #3
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you then put the BG's on a tarp, execute them with one in the head, then wait til the next day to call authorities. seems thats acceptable by some of the people on here.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:42   #4
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you then put the BG's on a tarp, execute them with one in the head, then wait til the next day to call authorities. seems thats acceptable by some of the people on here.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:43   #5
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You get to safety. Call 911 for medical and LE help. Establish yourself as the victim, point out evidence, witnesses or accomplices (I'm being broader than your scenario). Then politely and properly lawyer up.
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You get to safety. Call 911 for medical and LE help. Establish yourself as the victim, point out evidence, witnesses or accomplices (I'm being broader than your scenario). Then politely and properly lawyer up.
...and there it is. Self defense is an affirmitive defense which means it must be proven to justify a homicide, without critical information from the victim that can be impossible to prove on scene.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:47   #7
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You get to safety. Call 911 for medical and LE help. Establish yourself as the victim, point out evidence, witnesses or accomplices (I'm being broader than your scenario). Then politely and properly lawyer up.
Medical help?! You mean the coroner. You must be using a 9mm LOL


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I am, in fact, a trained professional.
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I am, in fact, a trained professional.
Would you advise calling 911 or your lawyer first? I ask, because this is a topic discussed once with a couple of friends. One is a retired cop who feels it wise to call the lawyer first.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:15   #11
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You do what you need to do to protect yourself and family. Not your TV.

Then call 911 ASAP. When police arrive. Give basic info and a statement yuo need an lawyer. You will spend the night in the local PD. Relax. Don't try to explain everything. Your mind will forget things or confuse the timeframe. This can be used against you in court. Let the lawyer talk.

Be prepared to shell out alot of cash. I figure at least 50K for a good defense.

So, remember that if it is just your TV walking out the door.


Oh, expect a cival suit even if perp is dead. Lost wages.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:19   #12
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you then put the BG's on a tarp, execute them with one in the head, then wait til the next day to call authorities. seems thats acceptable by some of the people on here.
This is only acceptable if your Mini-14 jams
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:26   #13
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Would you advise calling 911 or your lawyer first? I ask, because this is a topic discussed once with a couple of friends. One is a retired cop who feels it wise to call the lawyer first.
You call 911 first and IMMEDIATELY because you are going to do everything you can to get medical aid to the POS that is bleeding in your house, even though he earned it. This will be key later.

When you hang up, you and your loved ones are in absolutely no danger at all, then you call your lawyer and give him heads up you will most likely be needing his services in very near order.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:41   #14
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You are at home a sleep. Someone breaks in. There is a scuffle. The person doing the B&E is shot.
I assume you mean "shot" as dead.

Call 911 and tell them you shot an intruder in your home.


Then, assuming he woke me up, I'd probably make a pot of Coffee while I waited for the Sheriff.



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Old 11-28-2012, 10:47   #15
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Would you advise calling 911 or your lawyer first? I ask, because this is a topic discussed once with a couple of friends. One is a retired cop who feels it wise to call the lawyer first.
You have a lawyer that takes your calls at 0230? (Answering services emphatically don't count.)

That's the practical hurdle. The need to call 911 and establish yourself as the good concerned citizen who was concerned for life was well-covered by the sheriff above.
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You have a lawyer that takes your calls at 0230? (Answering services emphatically don't count.)
Well I learned on here last week the majority of people keep a criminal defense attorney on retainer.
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Would you advise calling 911 or your lawyer first? I ask, because this is a topic discussed once with a couple of friends. One is a retired cop who feels it wise to call the lawyer first.
Absolutely not. You will have plenty of time to make that call after you get the ball rolling.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:53   #18
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I think a lot of people prepare to defend themselves, but I don't think there is enough talk about what to do after you are forced to defend yourself.

I am not an expert at this. I will give a lead in and hopefully an expert will chime in. I am intentionally leaving the situation vague.

You are at home a sleep. Someone breaks in. There is a scuffle. The person doing the B&E is shot.

Now what?

BTW, This came up on a different board because of some questionable shoots and the more questionable actions of the shooter AFTER the fact.
I'd take photos and boast on GlockTalk about what sort of badass gunfighter I am.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:53   #19
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You have a lawyer that takes your calls at 0230? (Answering services emphatically don't count.)
As a matter of fact, I do. With the amount of money I have payed her the past 2 years, I have no doubt she hopes I call her so I can pay her even more.

I think I am working on putting unborn grandchildren through college. But believe me, she has been worth every penny.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:58   #20
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Well I learned on here last week the majority of people keep a criminal defense attorney on retainer.
That is what I was thinking too.



For me to "call my lawyer" would be me pulling out my phone and doing a Google search for "lawyers in round rock, tx"
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:06   #21
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Would you advise calling 911 or your lawyer first? I ask, because this is a topic discussed once with a couple of friends. One is a retired cop who feels it wise to call the lawyer first.
That is some very bad advice he gave you. Find cover and call 911 immediately. Given the above scenario - you have no idea if there are more than 1-2 offenders. Get help there as soon as possible.

Also - just because you use your firearm does not mean it will end the life of the person you shoot. You shouldn't call your lawyer and be on the phone for 3-5 minutes while the bad guy you just shot bleeds out on your kitchen floor.

Even after you pull that trigger, you should treat it as a fluid evolving situation that could introduce more bad guys at any moment. Find your cover (reload) and get help on the way by calling 911. Once help arrives, be very vocal about who you are and holster up or place your gun down on the ground. SHOW YOUR HANDS! Now is no time for pissing matches - whatever the police tell you to do - DO IT. If they tell you to get on the ground and you don't want to get dirty, man up and get on the ground.

Then do what Sam said above.

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Old 11-28-2012, 11:08   #22
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Well I learned on here last week the majority of people keep a criminal defense attorney on retainer.
Hopefully our glocktalk resident expert the "Deputy" can chime in with some good advice as well.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:10   #23
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I am, in fact, a trained professional.
A professional what?

I am a trained professional also, but my profession doesn't cover this.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:34   #24
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So I take it an endzone type celebration with champagne followed by urinating on the carcass would be bad form?
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:40   #25
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The reason for the joking is that this actually does come up pretty regularly and gets flogged into oblivion.

Read some articles by Massad Ayoob...he has discussed this a lot and offers sound advice.

I am in before the Don't talk to the Police youtube links are posted!!!!!! What do I win?
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