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Old 12-03-2012, 20:34   #26
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My other comment about this situation is:

Cases like Zimmerman's and others will spell the end of the Castle Doctrine in Florida as we know it. If not thrown out, it will end up neutered substantially.
Gee, I kinda thought it had more to do with "Stand your Ground" laws than "Castle Doctrine" . Of course I am not an expert on Floridas laws and their particulars
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Old 12-03-2012, 20:37   #27
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My other comment about this situation is:

Cases like Zimmerman's and others will spell the end of the Castle Doctrine in Florida as we know it. If not thrown out, it will end up neutered substantially.
Perhaps you really don't understand the differences between Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground laws?
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Old 12-03-2012, 20:47   #28
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You said............... "To me, getting an old time butt wippin is not reason enough to shoot someone......"

You play it your way, I'll play it my way. The thug culture of today don't apply no "old time butt wippins". Any one of those blows could have easily ended his life. Once "I fear for my life", that is the only criteria I have to meet.

ETA: Oh, I'm 57. You may have a few years on me, but I won't sweat it.
I couldn't agree more. Zimmerman feared for his life.Period!
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Old 12-03-2012, 20:58   #29
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Perhaps you really don't understand the differences between Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground laws?
I admit I lump them together. But so will the legislature. This is already scheduled for the next session.
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Old 12-03-2012, 21:01   #30
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If you feel froggy and jump on someone, you have to expect him to jump back on you.....................................
You do realize that we do not know of any evidence that Zimmerman jumped on anyone right? All we have (so far) is someone who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman right before the shot.

Seems like Martin was the one who got froggy and jumped and then suffered the results of his actions.

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Old 12-03-2012, 21:13   #31
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You do realize that we do not know of any evidence that Zimmerman jumped on anyone right? All we have (so far) is someone who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman right before the shot.

Seems like Martin was the one who got froggy and jumped and then suffered the results of his actions.

Just my observations.
You are reading too much into what I said. The froggy comment is just a figure of speech where I came from and I wasn't giving any thought to who jumped on who.

I'm not taking sides. My only point is this whole thing was avoidable. I really believe that. It took 2 and a sad comedy of errors to end up like this.

Let's see there are only 4 potential outcomes and only one truth.
1) The right man is dead and the right man will walk free.
2) The right man is dead and the wrong man will go to prison.
3) The wrong man is dead and the right man will go to prison.
4) The wrong man is dead and the wrong will walk free.

It has to be one of the four.

And there is only one truth that we may or may not ever know.

The best we can hope for is a wise impartial jury.

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Old 12-03-2012, 21:15   #32
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Jonesee, at what point of you getting your ass kicked do you feel like you might lose your life?
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Old 12-03-2012, 21:17   #33
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Jonesee, at what point of you getting your ass kicked do you feel like you might lose your life?
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Old 12-03-2012, 21:19   #34
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Jonesee, at what point of you getting your ass kicked do you feel like you might lose your life?
Hell, it's just a good 'ole ass whippin! Just boys being boys. You know. Nothing but good, clean fun!
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Old 12-03-2012, 21:21   #35
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Jonesee, at what point of you getting your ass kicked do you feel like you might lose your life?
I never really had that thought. Too busy trying to find a way to get back on my feet. The last time was in Detroit. I had to go to the hospital the next morning.

And I looked a lot worse than the picture of Zimmerman (but I'm not really a pretty guy to start with)

Seriously, I'm not the only product of a misspent youth on here. I have to believe there are others that grew up a little rough. You can take a beating and survive just fine although the next morning it hurts like hell. On the other end of the spectrum, the son of a man I know hit a kid once outside a bar. Kid #2 fell down hit his head on a curb and lights out . Kid #1 went to jail for manslaughter for what should have been something minor. You can never tell.

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Old 12-03-2012, 21:27   #36
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It's weird that we are just now getting to see the picture.
Not really. The election is over. When you need latino votes, you don't want to appear like you're screwing one of them.

At the same time, you need to please your own people to keep them voting.
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Old 12-03-2012, 21:37   #37
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Not really. The election is over. When you need latino votes, you don't want to appear like you're screwing one of them.

At the same time, you need to please your own people to keep them voting.
you kidding me? obama gets the jew and hispanic vote by over 70% each time that crusifying a hispanic jew wouldnt matter to either of those groups.
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Old 12-03-2012, 22:24   #38
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It's weird that a fact that has been universally accepted for almost a year still gets trotted out as "news"
Does the photo bother you in some way?
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:19   #39
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I predict the riots will last longer than the trial.
That sorta depends on the verdict. If he's found guilty, there won't be any. But at least in what has been released, it appears there is reasonable doubt that he committed murder.

What makes this photo news, is that there are things yet unknown that will be learned by the public.

We'll have to wait and see how it ends.
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Old 12-04-2012, 07:05   #41
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I admit I lump them together. But so will the legislature. This is already scheduled for the next session.
You do know that the special task force the governor of FL appointed to study the SYG law recommended no changes needed to be made? This was just in the past couple of weeks.
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Old 12-04-2012, 09:07   #42
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The reason for the photo was laid out by the lawyer as they are in needs of funds and donations have slowed to a trickle.

For you that equate this to a bar fight, you are wrong it has no similarity to one.
I've been in my share of them, won and lost but never had I had a guy sit on me pounding my head into the ground and telling me he is going to kill me.
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Old 12-04-2012, 09:22   #43
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Does the photo bother you in some way?
Not at all, although the term "GRAPHIC PHOTO" in the title of the original article bothers me a bit. I've seen more blood after a pillow fight.
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Old 12-04-2012, 09:39   #44
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Once "I fear for my life", that is the only criteria I have to meet.
I know people who fear for their life upon hearing loud words spoken in their general vicinity. Wouldn't justify them opening fire.

Fearing for your life, in itself, is not enough. There are a lot of chicken**** people out there. The fear needs to be reasonable. When you are the instigator, it's harder to get somebody to believe the fear was reasonable. It doesn't mean it can't be that way, just that you'll most likely be required to prove it.
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Old 12-04-2012, 09:54   #45
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Charged with murder? Good grief.

Let's get this trial going already so Zimmerman can be freed and the riots can start.
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:19   #46
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I know people who fear for their life upon hearing loud words spoken in their general vicinity. Wouldn't justify them opening fire.

Fearing for your life, in itself, is not enough. There are a lot of chicken**** people out there. The fear needs to be reasonable. When you are the instigator, it's harder to get somebody to believe the fear was reasonable. It doesn't mean it can't be that way, just that you'll most likely be required to prove it.
The missing part is who actually instigated the physical contact. Zimmerman's story is that trayvon started the fight, and was pounding his head on the concrete verbally threatening to kill him. Now to be honest, neither of us knows if that's the way it went down or if there are significant missing details missing in that account, but if that is the way it went down, I think shooting the guy was a very reasonable thing to do. The burden of proof lays with the prosecution, not the accused.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Just relax, it'll all come out in the trial and a jury will decide what needs to happen next.

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Old 12-04-2012, 11:16   #47
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The missing part is who actually instigated the physical contact. Zimmerman's story is that trayvon started the fight, and was pounding his head on the concrete verbally threatening to kill him..
True. It is also true that those who intend to initiate violence rarely call the police first and even arrange where to meet them in a few minutes. GZ did. It is all on the 911 recording.

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Old 12-04-2012, 11:19   #48
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Oh, so the news is that the media is biased.

I apologize for accusing you of presenting old information as fresh.
The media pumped this case up and was very anti-Zimmerman.

The pic is new. What part of "new" don't you grasp?
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The missing part is who actually instigated the physical contact. Zimmerman's story is that trayvon started the fight, and was pounding his head on the concrete verbally threatening to kill him.
IMHO- you don't put someone on trial for their life unless you know that he started it. This case should not go past a preliminary exam. It is being allowed to last for months to calm the mob down.

Dershowitz blasts the prosecution and NYT:

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IMHO- you don't put someone on trial for their life unless you know that he started it. This case should not go past a preliminary exam. It is being allowed to last for months to calm the mob down.

Dershowitz blasts the prosecution and NYT:

GOLDBERG-DERSHOWITZ ON MARTIN-ZIMMERMAN 120518 - YouTube
I highly suspect that a lot of what has happened in this case is politically motivated. Time will tell.

I do like the fact that he's suing NBC. Their altering of the 911 tape was maliciously motivated.
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