Cadet quits, cites overt religion at West Point

Smacktard · 12-06-2012, 15:51

http://news.yahoo.com/cadet-quits-ci...211844765.html

Only one real American at West Point?
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TK-421 · 12-06-2012, 16:26

How typical, the secular ones think of themselves.

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"I think it's true that the majority of West Point cadets are of a very conservative, Christian orientation," said senior cadet Andrew Houchin. "I don't think that's unique to West Point. But more broadly, I've never had that even be a problem with those of us who are secular."

"I've never had that even be a problem with those of us who are secular."

Really? Really? Why don't you stop and think for a second about how those who aren't secular might feel? Hmm?

The comment by that student shows exactly how rampant religion is in the military, and how little thought is given to the thoughts and feelings of soldiers who aren't religious.

Gunhaver · 12-06-2012, 16:26

This is a big problem in the Air Force too. I have a stepbrother who made a last second switch to the Navy over it. They started in with him in the recruiting phase.

MannyA · 12-06-2012, 17:09

He quit because he is a quitter!

Japle · 12-06-2012, 17:16

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Posted by Gunhaver:
This is a big problem in the Air Force too. I have a stepbrother who made a last second switch to the Navy over it. They started in with him in the recruiting phase.

I found it to be a bigger problem in the Army than the Air Force. In the Army, they expect you to be not just religious, but Christian. The chaplains hand out copies of the NT left and right, but getting a copy of the OT is tough. When you do get one, it’s marked, “For Jewish Personnel in the Armed Forces of the United States”. I have my copy sitting on my desk. It took months of bugging my Regiment chaplain before he came up with it.

Every formal formation started with a Christian prayer. I always took abuse because I wouldn’t bow my head. I’m no hypocrite. I didn’t want to appear to be praying. I held my head up and kept my eyes open.

In the Air Force, there was a lot of praying, too, but no one gave you grief for not participating. Maybe the fact that I was an enlisted man in the Army and an officer in the Air Force made a difference.

BTW, in the space for “religious preference”, my dog tags were stamped “BUD”. I found out early that it was the abbreviation for Buddhist, but I told everyone it stood for “Budweiser”.

JBnTX · 12-06-2012, 19:37

The US Army will be better off without him.

PaulMason · 12-06-2012, 19:41

'A cadet quitting West Point less than six months before graduation'

There is more to the story ...

**janice6** · 12-06-2012, 19:51

Ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

JBnTX · 12-06-2012, 20:34

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Originally Posted by PaulMason

'A cadet quitting West Point less than six months before graduation'

There is more to the story ...

Yes, there's probably A LOT MORE we're not being told.

Nobody quits that close to graduation, he was probably offered a way out by quitting and just leaving rather than face the music for whatever it is that he did.

And now he needs a scape goat for his failure, so he blames religion. How typical.

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Sarge1400 · 12-06-2012, 20:42

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Originally Posted by JBnTX

Yes, there's probably A LOT MORE we're not being told.

Nobody quits that close to graduation, he was probably offered a way out by quitting and just leaving rather than face the music for whatever it is that he did.

And now he needs a scape goat for his failure, so he blames religion. How typical.

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Way to reach a conclusion without having any facts, bet you're a whiz at 'Clue'.

JB: "It was Captain Ketchup in the 7-Eleven with a blood sausage."
Opponent: That character, location, and weapon don't exist in this game."
JB: "I don't care. I believe it was Captain Ketchup in the 7-Eleven with a blood sausage. So there."

Guss · 12-06-2012, 22:32

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Originally Posted by JBnTX

The US Army will be better off without him.

The world doesn't need good atheists getting shot.

TK-421 · 12-06-2012, 22:42

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Originally Posted by Sarge1400

Way to reach a conclusion without having any facts, bet you're a whiz at 'Clue'.

JB: "It was Captain Ketchup in the 7-Eleven with a blood sausage."
Opponent: That character, location, and weapon don't exist in this game."
JB: "I don't care. I believe it was Captain Ketchup in the 7-Eleven with a blood sausage. So there."

Oh now that's funny.

Gunhaver · 12-06-2012, 22:45

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Originally Posted by JBnTX

Yes, there's probably A LOT MORE we're not being told.

Nobody quits that close to graduation, he was probably offered a way out by quitting and just leaving rather than face the music for whatever it is that he did.

And now he needs a scape goat for his failure, so he blames religion. How typical.

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Why are the Christians the only ones that get to have convictions? Why couldn't he just have gotten sick of it all and needed to get out. I'm pretty sure you'd have done the same thing if you were in an environment where atheists were harping on you all day for not seeing things the same way you do. You can't even handle this forum and you can come and go as you please.

Gunhaver · 12-06-2012, 22:47

There are no atheists in foxholes, because they always test out of infantry.

4Rules · 12-07-2012, 00:10

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Originally Posted by TK-421

How typical, the secular ones think of themselves.

"I've never had that even be a problem with those of us who are secular."

Really? Really? Why don't you stop and think for a second about how those who aren't secular might feel? Hmm?

The comment by that student shows exactly how rampant religion is in the military, and how little thought is given to the thoughts and feelings of soldiers who aren't religious.

Can you hold your indignation long enough to look up the definition of secular?

TK-421 · 12-07-2012, 00:32

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Originally Posted by 4Rules

Can you hold your indignation long enough to look up the definition of secular?

Actually I think it's funnier when the religious nuts think I'm an idiot, and was trying to bait them.

JBnTX · 12-07-2012, 07:49

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Originally Posted by TK-421

Actually I think it's funnier when the religious nuts think I'm an idiot, and was trying to bait them.

Actually I think it's funnier when the heathen atheist nuts think I'm an idiot, and was trying to bait them.

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JBnTX · 12-07-2012, 08:00

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Originally Posted by Gunhaver

... Why couldn't he just have gotten sick of it all and needed to get out. I'm pretty sure you'd have done the same thing if you were in an environment where atheists were harping on you all day for not seeing things the same way you do. You can't even handle this forum and you can come and go as you please.

He had less than six months before graduation and earning a four year college degree. He'd put up with it for over 3 1/2 years. He couldn't do six more months?

He could have easily done the remaining time. NOBODY just gives up that close to a college degree, no matter what the hardships are.

He either quit for a different reason or was asked to leave in lieu of being discharged for a cause. You can bank on it.

Now, he's all butt hurt and blaming religion.

***Geko45*** · 12-07-2012, 08:07

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Originally Posted by JBnTX

Yes, there's probably A LOT MORE we're not being told.

And I'm sure you know this the same way you know I couldn't possibly have studied the bible the way I've claimed that I have. It runs contrary to your worldview to believe that your faith could be in error, so anything that runs contradictory to that must be dismissed without consideration to avoid confronting your own internal cognitive dissonance.

TK-421 · 12-07-2012, 10:09

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Originally Posted by JBnTX

Actually I think it's funnier when the heathen atheist nuts think I'm an idiot, and was trying to bait them.

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Now that sounds like a competition challenge.

Guss · 12-07-2012, 10:20

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Originally Posted by JBnTX

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Now, he's all butt hurt and blaming religion.

But he wouldn't have had a chance to blame religion if the military were doing things the right way.

PaulMason · 12-07-2012, 11:54

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Originally Posted by JBnTX

He had less than six months before graduation and earning a four year college degree. He'd put up with it for over 3 1/2 years. He couldn't do six more months?

He could have easily done the remaining time. NOBODY just gives up that close to a college degree, no matter what the hardships are.

He either quit for a different reason or was asked to leave in lieu of being discharged for a cause. You can bank on it.

Now, he's all butt hurt and blaming religion.

People that believe he quit 6 months before graduation because of religion also think the protest/attack on the US embassy in Libya on 9/11 was due to a youtube video.

Phaze5ive · 12-07-2012, 13:33

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Originally Posted by JBnTX

He had less than six months before graduation and earning a four year college degree. He'd put up with it for over 3 1/2 years. He couldn't do six more months?

He could have easily done the remaining time. NOBODY just gives up that close to a college degree, no matter what the hardships are.

He either quit for a different reason or was asked to leave in lieu of being discharged for a cause. You can bank on it.

Now, he's all butt hurt and blaming religion.

Maybe his way of making a statement was to quit...

bobtheelf · 12-07-2012, 13:39

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Originally Posted by JBnTX

NOBODY just gives up that close to a college degree, no matter what the hardships are.

My grandfather left college one semester away from graduating to deploy to Europe in WWII.

I had a teacher who left school one quarter away from a math degree to start over in psychology.

You believe a lot of things that just aren't true.

pipedreams · 12-07-2012, 13:45

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Originally Posted by PaulMason

People that believe he quit 6 months before graduation because of religion also think the protest/attack on the US embassy in Libya on 9/11 was due to a youtube video.

"because of clinical depression and anxiety. He said his condition has gotten worse since his father killed himself last year."

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