[OctoberRust]

Interesting read.

Many more sources out there, the bible thumpers won't be happy with it though.

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vita...eRealStory.htm

[happyguy]

Originally Posted by OctoberRust

Odin's son carried a hammer.

Your god's son was nailed to a cross.

You do the math....

I don't have any time for imaginary friends that are weak. Victory or Valhalla!

Like I said, telling...and childish.

Regards,
Comrade Happyguy

[Cream Soda Kid]

Originally Posted by OctoberRust

and you're very articulate. You've just convinced many on here that Christmas is a christian holiday. If only everyone on this board could be as bright as you, and bring facts to the table instead of name calling!

You continue to demonstrate that you are a forty watt bulb in a hundred watt world.

[OctoberRust]

Originally Posted by happyguy

Like I said, telling...and childish.

Regards,
Comrade Happyguy

No more childish than believing a bearded hippie is the son of god because his body disappeared days after being nailed to the cross.

[OctoberRust]

Originally Posted by Cream Soda Kid

You continue to demonstrate that you are a forty watt bulb in a hundred watt world.

Another convincing fact you've brought to the table to help "non believers" convert to your ways. It's no wonder why most the world is religious!

[Glock36shooter]

Originally Posted by Sharkey

A mighty anti theologian you are. Maybe you should write a book and call it - The Case Against Christ. Your atheist buddies here could buy it an you could do a book signing tour. Look how much Stobel has made and how many lives he has changed. You sir are way smarter than him.

You mean Strobel? "The Case For Christ" has been shot full of more holes than the Bible at this point. Maybe he just did it for the money.

[Cream Soda Kid]

Originally Posted by OctoberRust

Another convincing fact you've brought to the table to help "non believers" convert to your ways. It's no wonder why most the world is religious!

It appears I over - estimated your intellect.

[RC-RAMIE]

Originally Posted by chickenwing

You are all wrong. It's all about the mushrooms.

http://www.amanitashop.com/amanita-arthur/mankind1.htm

http://www.shamanswell.org/shaman/si...-and-mushrooms

Interesting reading

[OctoberRust]

Originally Posted by Cream Soda Kid

It appears I over - estimated your intellect.

"Overestimated" is all one word. At least you can spell "intellect" correctly, though.

[Cream Soda Kid]

Originally Posted by OctoberRust

"Overestimated" is all one word. At least you can spell "intellect" correctly, though.

I'm impressed, you can read, but did you understand it? Comprehension is key. Even for dimwits like you.

[happyguy]

Originally Posted by Glock36shooter

... if you look at ancient peoples. They were very barbaric and it was still a very "might makes right" type of world.

So what's changed? Have you taken a look around outside your burg lately?

Regards,
Comrade Happyguy

[OctoberRust]

Originally Posted by Cream Soda Kid

I'm impressed, you can read, but did you understand it? Comprehension is key. Even for dimwits like you.

Ah, name calling. The cornerstone of any intelligent person's arsenal in the art of persuasion. You ever considered going into sales or Business Development? I think that would be an area you'd shine in!

[Glock36shooter]

Originally Posted by happyguy

So what's changed? Have you taken a look around outside your burg lately?

Regards,
Comrade Happyguy

Quite a bit. 4,000 years ago if I wanted your woman, all I had to do was bash your head in and take her for my own. She had no say so in the matter. I would force myself on her and take her as my new property. I would also take your belongings and claim those as mine as well. Not much of anything would have happened to me. Especially if others in our village were afraid of me.

Today... I could still bash your head in. But I'd go to prison for murder. Your woman would move on. And most of your belongs would go to either your wife or next of kin. Our society has laws and a law enforcement system in place. We are far more educated than ever before and we know more about our origins and that the beginnings of our universe. We're simply more grown up. Man is a violent animal... I suspect we always will be though I hope not. But we're not as barbaric as we were in our past. Our thinking is different. If I see you and your woman pass by... even if I'm greatly attracted to her... I simply think to myself "She's hot." or "I wonder if he's hittin that right and if not can I get her to cheat on him?" But it never occurs to me to murder you and take her for my own. We're just not like that anymore.

[ArrowJ]

Originally Posted by Glock36shooter

I would also take your belongings and claim those as mine as well...But we're not as barbaric as we were in our past.

Much, now we gather into groups to do our stealing, and call it mandated health care instead of stealing. After all, if the majority thinks it is right..."very cosmopolitan."

Speaking of majority, I am not so sure the vast majority of the humans on the planet (undeveloped countries, Muslim women, communist populace, starving, widows, orphans, etc.) would agree with your positive perspective of modern man.

[Glock36shooter]

Originally Posted by ArrowJ

Much, now we gather into groups to do our stealing, and call it mandated health care instead of stealing. After all, if the majority thinks it is right..."very cosmopolitan."

Well it's true that our mob mentality as of late is not helping us move forward. Homosexuals are being denied equal marriage rights because of it.

Speaking of majority, I am not so sure the vast majority of the humans on the planet (undeveloped countries, Muslim women, communist populace, starving, widows, orphans, etc.) would agree with your positive perspective of modern man.

Sure... but I think you'll find we and other nations like us are the example of Man at his most evolved and civilized at the moment.

[ArrowJ]

Originally Posted by Glock36shooter

Well it's true that our mob mentality as of late is not helping us move forward. Homosexuals are being denied equal marriage rights because of it.

LOL Seriously? I agree, government should have nothing to do with marriage, gay or otherwise.

Sure... but I think you'll find we and other nations like us are the example of Man at his most evolved and civilized at the moment.

Well, that is just scary.

[Glock36shooter]

Originally Posted by ArrowJ

LOL Seriously? I agree, government should have nothing to do with marriage, gay or otherwise.

I don't disagree with that. But as long as they are it must include all adult citizens.

Well, that is just scary.

For a believer I can see why. But we are moving away from religion and it's a good thing. You're point is well taken... look at areas of the world far more entrenched in religion. And look at like the US. We have some of the smartest people in the world living here and it's because ideas are allowed to grow with as little interference from religion as possible.

[TK-421]

Originally Posted by Sharkey

Wow, kinda sensitive? Telling you to read something as an adult is name calling? You folks crack me up. I think when I called you a tool in another thread "might" be considered name calling.

You told me to read it as an adult, insinuating that I wasn't reading it as an adult. Which would then be saying that I read it as an uninformed child, which yes, is indeed name calling.

But maybe I should've taken it as a compliment instead. Because it really says something about you, when I read the bible as an uninformed child, and I STILL know more about it than you do.

[Schabesbert]

Originally Posted by TK-421

I'm still waiting for you refute to the evidence.

It's quite thoroughly refuted. Denying it won't help your argument.

No wonder you hold the positions you do -- you're either refusing to read the refutation, or incapable of understanding it.

And if you didn't bother to realize it, that evidence comes direct from religious people, who I'm sure are way more educated in the bible than you are. So are you trying to say they're wrong and you're right?

You're joking, right?

Besides the obvious fallacious appeal to authority, my source (which you either have not read or were unable to understand) points to multiple Church Fathers, who were a) quite well versed in scripture, in addition to having the benefit of being fluent in not only the languages involved, but the dialects and colloquialisms as well, and b) living in the area, as well as having spent some considerable time in the climates in question here.

It's amazing that some internet guy, whom YOU claim has "bible education," could think they found something OBVIOUSLY inconsistant in scripture when these guys hadn't.

So, who is right? The author of Matthew, who claims that Jesus was born shortly before the death of Herod, which happened around 4 BC, or Luke, who claims Jesus was born during the Roman census, which happened around 6 AD.

Ahhh, changing the subject. A famously cowardly technique of one who's losing the argument.

Yet another contradiction of your mighty book.

Read The census of Quirinius here. Then think about it for a while; let it sink in.

[TK-421]

And yet even now, I'm still waiting for you to refute it. And if you don't like it, even Animal Mother refuted your supposed refutations.

And no, I wasn't changing the subject, it was just in line with what we were saying. One part of the bible says something, another part says something else. If you're so bright and knowledgeable on the bible, why does your mighty, all knowing bible say two totally different things?

[Schabesbert]

Originally Posted by Animal Mother

Did the Magi visit before or after this?

That's unknown; my opinion, though, is that the Magi visited after the presentation.

How long should Herod have had to wait to make this realization, if Joseph, Mary and Jesus were in Jerusalem only 8 days later?

Good question. Here's another one: if there WERE martians, what would they eat for lunch?

An event no one else, other than Matthew records. Why would Herod, knowing as he presumably would of the census and the related movements to ancestral homes (as needed to explain why the Holy Family were in Bethlehem in the first place) limit his slaughter to Bethlehem?

One can only speculate, but it's possible that the census hadn't yet been completed, and so they were expected to stay put.

Wouldn't the King receive word of Simeon's blessing?

Why?

Even assuming a December birth, Herod was dead within months,

How do you know that? It could have been the following year.

How long did they spend in Egypt?

We don't know. Do you?
You seem to be making a slew of assumptions, without even realizing it. This shows sloppy thinking.

Are you at least a little embarrassed to be posting such questionable "refutations"?

Yes, AM. I am also embarassed for you, as well as TK.

[Schabesbert]

Originally Posted by TK-421

And yet even now, I'm still waiting for you to refute it.

I'm sure you are. Is it because you're afraid to address the refutations, or because you're unable to understand them?

And no, I wasn't changing the subject

What color is the sky in your world?

[TK-421]

When you actually provide some reasonable, specific and accurate refutations to what I posted, then I'll take the time to go through them. But until you post meaningful things, instead of useless dribble, then I won't waste my time talking about them.

[Schabesbert]

Originally Posted by TK-421

When you actually provide some reasonable, specific and accurate refutations to what I posted, then I'll take the time to go through them. But until you post meaningful things, instead of useless dribble, then I won't waste my time talking about them.

Translation: I have no meaningful response, so I'll childishly pretend that your arguments don't exist.

Thanks for the tacit admission, TK!

[TK-421]

Luke 2:1-7

"In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world. 2 (This was the first census that took place while[a] Quirinius was governor of Syria.) 3 And everyone went to their own town to register.

4 So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and line of David. 5 He went there to register with Mary, who was pledged to be married to him and was expecting a child. 6 While they were there, the time came for the baby to be born, 7 and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no guest room available for them."

Now then, please explain to me why they would bother having a census in the winter?