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Old 12-06-2012, 15:32   #41
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As soon as he said "Those who believe that the rich should not pay taxes.." I stopped listening.
Why don't you actually watch the whole thing and consider what he's saying instead of finding a chicken **** reason to bug out?
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Old 12-06-2012, 15:39   #42
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Welcome to the club!

In response to your issue, all I can say is that he goes around selling his tax-the-rich-to-save-the-country ideas but refuses to negotiate face to face with Congress. From everything I read about the spineless Republicans, he'll get his hike on taxes for the "rich" and won't offer any spending cuts. But I don't think Congress is going to give him the power to raise the debt ceiling on his own.

It doesn't matter. It's all a piss hole in the snow bank. The economy is going into the tank again and the country will be flat out broke in a few years.
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Old 12-06-2012, 16:06   #43
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Why don't you actually watch the whole thing and consider what he's saying instead of finding a chicken **** reason to bug out?
Because he is a dumbass
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Old 12-06-2012, 16:14   #44
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Because he is a dumbass
Hmm, compelling argument you make there. Wonder when the GOP platform of, "Everyone that disagrees with us is a dumbass!" will finally pay off?
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Old 12-06-2012, 16:35   #45
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So is he a right wing fascist or a left wing communist? Which one? Come one, just pick one? Or does it depend on your own clueless wonderment of your leaders.
You seem to have no clue about government vs. economic system and the [possible mixtures of them. I have rarely seen you post about anything you do understand. Couldn't you Google it before posting, at least.

But no, Obama is clearly not a fascist, because fascism involves basing yourr totalitarian state on a shared national heritage. I'll readily admit, Obama is no nationalist or fascist - pretty much the opposite.

More of a democratic socialist - in other words, a Nazi without the patriotic side.
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Old 12-06-2012, 16:45   #46
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Hmm, compelling argument you make there. Wonder when the GOP platform of, "Everyone that disagrees with us is a dumbass!" will finally pay off?
He is not a dumbass because he disagrees. He is a dumbass because he is a dumbass. Even rich people like he is can be ignorant- better to just shut his mouth than to prove it.

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Old 12-06-2012, 17:19   #47
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No, he's not stupid. He's a Marxist Communist Ideologue. He is moving precisely along the path he wishes to and it ends with the free-market capitalist system in this country collapsing under the weight of loose socialist spending policy so that people will DEMAND something better... something... fairer...

Keep practicing. Sooner of later, we're going to have to fight. I don't want anyone on MY side that can't shoot.

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Old 12-06-2012, 17:29   #48
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You seem to have no clue about government vs. economic system and the possible mixtures of them....
There is a lot of confusion here regarding economic systems of organization and forms of government.

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Old 12-06-2012, 17:31   #49
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So is he a right wing fascist or a left wing communist? Which one? Come one, just pick one? Or does it depend on your own clueless wonderment of your leaders.
All despotic regimes, be they right or left, are fascistic. Communisim/Collectivism is just one kind of Fascism.

All despots promise equality to the Proletariat in their rise to power and then rob them blind; Obama is no different.
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All despotic regimes, be they right or left, are fascistic. Communisim/Collectivism is just one kind of Fascism.

All despots promise equality to the Proletariat in their rise to power and then rob them blind; Obama is no different.
I agree with you partially. However if the far right = maximum liberty, how is there a despot?


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Old 12-06-2012, 19:56   #51
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I agree with you partially. However if the far right = maximum liberty, how is there a despot?


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Far right is not maximum liberty. Libertarians are maximum liberty. Far right are just as much control freaks as far left to my way of thinking.
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Old 12-07-2012, 10:17   #52
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Let's see: Underemployment? Down to 4 year low - 7.7%; Jobs? 146K added. Hmmm? I sure you all will have some way of spinning this, but I'm confident had a Republican been in office you'd be singing his praise and claiming how he's saving us from the past 4 years!

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Old 12-07-2012, 10:57   #53
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Old 12-07-2012, 11:30   #54
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So we can expect the unemployment rate to go up after the holidayz? I guess it's a wait and see.
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:05   #55
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Far right is not maximum liberty. Libertarians are maximum liberty. Far right are just as much control freaks as far left to my way of thinking.
Libertarians are far right, just to the left of anarchy
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:18   #56
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Libertarians are far right, just to the left of anarchy
It's more of a 2 dimensional thing.

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You can go libertarian to the left or right or authoritarian to the left or right.
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:27   #57
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It's more of a 2 dimensional thing.

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You can go libertarian to the left or right or authoritarian to the left or right.
There is no authoritarian right in American politics.

Authoritarian is on the left. Liberty is on the right.
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:31   #58
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Let's see: Underemployment? Down to 4 year low - 7.7%; Jobs? 146K added. Hmmm? I sure you all will have some way of spinning this, but I'm confident had a Republican been in office you'd be singing his praise and claiming how he's saving us from the past 4 years!

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Under employment? Did you mean unemployment? If you did then you have no idea how unemployment works. Just because the number for that goes up or down doesn't mean more people are working. You have to factor in the people that are not working and not looking for a job anymore.


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Old 12-07-2012, 12:38   #59
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Under employment? Did you mean unemployment? If you did then you have no idea how unemployment works. Just because the number for that goes up or down doesn't mean more people are working. You have to factor in the people that are not working and not looking for a job anymore.


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Yes, unemployment....

When it's good for the right they do not look at who is no longer looking for work. My point is philosophical not mathematical. The point being that regardless of what the numbers are the right will bash Obama and look for loopholes to downgrade the positive. If the numbers had come in under a Republican administration conservatives would be blowing them up in bold. Hypocrisy is the bastard child of political ideology.
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